On June 30 2009 20:10 fearus wrote:
And Bisu's mirror matchup PvP is the best in the world as well, if we are comparing mirror matchups. And PvP is not the same as ZvZ. That's also a reason why I think Bisu is a greater player.
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:10 fearus wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 19:53 ssj114 wrote: On June 30 2009 19:51 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Skill: Have you ever seen a fpvod of Bisu? Yes - Then you know the answer. No - Then the answer is Bisu. Establishment: Who reopened peoples eyes for an entire race, creating the foundation for progaming today? Boxer ofc. Reign: Once upon a time when the time stood still, when there was only one player in the top, a player that was way ahead of everyone. It was the era of the Maestro of Zerg. His name is Savior. Sure, Bisu is incredibly skilled for sure. But I think Jaedong edges him here. There is a reason why his ZvZ is over 80% win-loss. ZvZ is arguably a match up that involves a large element of luck (perhaps the match up that has the largest element of luck), but Jaedong proves that it is possible to be completely dominant. And Bisu's mirror matchup PvP is the best in the world as well, if we are comparing mirror matchups. And PvP is not the same as ZvZ. That's also a reason why I think Bisu is a greater player. | ||
Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:14 Zoler wrote: Boxer is, was and will always be best. At what? | ||
fearus
China2164 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:13 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 20:10 fearus wrote: On June 30 2009 19:53 ssj114 wrote: On June 30 2009 19:51 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Skill: Have you ever seen a fpvod of Bisu? Yes - Then you know the answer. No - Then the answer is Bisu. Establishment: Who reopened peoples eyes for an entire race, creating the foundation for progaming today? Boxer ofc. Reign: Once upon a time when the time stood still, when there was only one player in the top, a player that was way ahead of everyone. It was the era of the Maestro of Zerg. His name is Savior. Sure, Bisu is incredibly skilled for sure. But I think Jaedong edges him here. There is a reason why his ZvZ is over 80% win-loss. ZvZ is arguably a match up that involves a large element of luck (perhaps the match up that has the largest element of luck), but Jaedong proves that it is possible to be completely dominant. And Bisu's mirror matchup PvP is the best in the world as well, if we are comparing mirror matchups. And PvP is not the same as ZvZ. That's also a reason why I think Bisu is a greater player. Especially when you consider PvP is the most skilled based MU with very little luck/chance involved. Then you consider the other Protosses - Stork, Jangbi all have great PvP. Where as the other zergs all have medicore ZvZ and isnt in the same league as the top tier Protosses. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:17 fearus wrote: Especially when you consider PvP is the most skilled based MU with very little luck/chance involved. This alone is hilarious in its own right. However, it's even funnier coming from same person who baww'd about position imba when Violet beat Bisu. | ||
verzisor
Romania73 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:17 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: At what? At being fucking awesome | ||
RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
It's not hard, each page is 40 games, so it's to half of the eighth page, hold on let me check. This is in order by the poll options. At 300 games: Boxer 175-125 58.33% Yellow 180-120 60.00% Nada 193-107 64.33% *It should be mentioned that he had a nice streak after this. Iloveoov 192-108 64.00% Jaedong 206-94 68.66% Bisu 190-110 63.33% Flash hasn't played 300 games yet. Currently at 184-89 67.40% July 178-122 59.33% Savior 179-121 59.66% Reach 159-141 53.00% Nal_rA 179-121 59.66% | ||
unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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verzisor
Romania73 Posts
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Crahptacular
United States295 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:10 fearus wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 19:53 ssj114 wrote: On June 30 2009 19:51 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Skill: Have you ever seen a fpvod of Bisu? Yes - Then you know the answer. No - Then the answer is Bisu. Establishment: Who reopened peoples eyes for an entire race, creating the foundation for progaming today? Boxer ofc. Reign: Once upon a time when the time stood still, when there was only one player in the top, a player that was way ahead of everyone. It was the era of the Maestro of Zerg. His name is Savior. Sure, Bisu is incredibly skilled for sure. But I think Jaedong edges him here. There is a reason why his ZvZ is over 80% win-loss. ZvZ is arguably a match up that involves a large element of luck (perhaps the match up that has the largest element of luck), but Jaedong proves that it is possible to be completely dominant. Not luck, psychology. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
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Cpt.beefy
Ireland799 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
Who is the most skilled sc player? Who is the most skilled sc player for their time? Who is the most Influential sc player? | ||
stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On June 30 2009 21:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: Nvm, this is too repetitive. For Atrioc: It's not hard, each page is 40 games, so it's to half of the eighth page, hold on let me check. This is in order by the poll options. At 300 games: Boxer 175-125 58.33% Yellow 180-120 60.00% Nada 193-107 64.33% *It should be mentioned that he had a nice streak after this. Iloveoov 192-108 64.00% Jaedong 206-94 68.66% Bisu 190-110 63.33% Flash hasn't played 300 games yet. Currently at 184-89 67.40% July 178-122 59.33% Savior 179-121 59.66% Reach 159-141 53.00% Nal_rA 179-121 59.66% All of the older players on this list have had their slumps, which is why their percentages are lower. Jaedong, Bisu and Flash have yet to have their slumps which is why their percentages are so high. A graph really needs to be made for this sort of thing, kinda like an apm chart. | ||
okum
France5776 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 30 2009 23:26 stroggos wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 21:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: Nvm, this is too repetitive. For Atrioc: It's not hard, each page is 40 games, so it's to half of the eighth page, hold on let me check. This is in order by the poll options. At 300 games: Boxer 175-125 58.33% Yellow 180-120 60.00% Nada 193-107 64.33% *It should be mentioned that he had a nice streak after this. Iloveoov 192-108 64.00% Jaedong 206-94 68.66% Bisu 190-110 63.33% Flash hasn't played 300 games yet. Currently at 184-89 67.40% July 178-122 59.33% Savior 179-121 59.66% Reach 159-141 53.00% Nal_rA 179-121 59.66% All of the older players on this list have had their slumps, which is why their percentages are lower. Jaedong, Bisu and Flash have yet to have their slumps which is why their percentages are so high. A graph really needs to be made for this sort of thing, kinda like an apm chart. Bisu already had a slump, a horrible one. Bisu will never be #1 for me since he always chokes in OSLs... | ||
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