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On December 31 2008 07:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 07:54 Ace wrote: I hope the real DTs are looking at the people arguing against me right now because no one can be this stupid.
If BC really was a DT, all this time he would be advocating for himself to be lynched. Because if he REALLY was a DT, him flipping blue would have exposed mikeymoo as liar (since he would have lied about being a blue) and also cleared up some DTs that check mikeymoo to figure shit out by the arrival of Night 2.
BC hasn't once offered himself up as the sacrifice. He has to be lying. Lynch him. Ace its the information that is gathered from it, In the case of the insane DT you gain more information from lynching the accused than the accuser, that is clear as day, and the fact you dont see it, or are refusing to a) makes you the VI or b) mafia as well.
That's assuming you're a detective in the first place though.
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On December 31 2008 08:17 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 07:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On December 31 2008 07:54 Ace wrote: I hope the real DTs are looking at the people arguing against me right now because no one can be this stupid.
If BC really was a DT, all this time he would be advocating for himself to be lynched. Because if he REALLY was a DT, him flipping blue would have exposed mikeymoo as liar (since he would have lied about being a blue) and also cleared up some DTs that check mikeymoo to figure shit out by the arrival of Night 2.
BC hasn't once offered himself up as the sacrifice. He has to be lying. Lynch him. Ace its the information that is gathered from it, In the case of the insane DT you gain more information from lynching the accused than the accuser, that is clear as day, and the fact you dont see it, or are refusing to a) makes you the VI or b) mafia as well. Same as game 3, we have no choice but to lynch the accuser. It's always the best option, especially with insane dts in the game. Ace has covered the logic already in his posts, but if you want more go to game 3 and read my posts in there. There's another reason to lynch BC, because this was such a dumb move by him if he was the dt, behaviourally I have to imagine that he isn't the dt. This leaves him as either Village Idiot or mafia. Lynching either is a good thing. If he flips VI, he gets his personal win and there'll be less derailment. If he's mafia well we all know that's a good thing. And then the crux of the matter, If he truly is a detective he will very likely die tonight. Mafia don't seem to have a habit of leaving them around if you've noticed. If he's insane and we lynch mikey, we lost a townie/blue, and then we lose the dt at night. Logically, lynching BC gives us the most info for the smallest loss, that's what it comes down to. And then behaviourally what he did makes no sense which is usually a good sign something is up.
Let me remind you, If i am the insane DT he would have still flipped blue when i role checked him, blues stay blues, only greens and reds are confused. How do you get the most information from killing me? I die and flip DT, it doesnt say if im insane or not, then your left at "shit is mikey green or red" so you lynch him. That is two wasted lynches to find out what you would find out if he is lynched tonight.
You all can't seem to connect the dots, because insane DT's are in this game, you will have to lynch the accused to get the information the accusing DT was trying to give. If i had been a legit DT this isn't a step that is normally needed as you will always know what you use as a power is legit. If there is even 1 insane, you have to spend more time trying to determine your role.
As you said, say mafia does kill me tonight, what has that accomplished, lets see I am sane DT A)mikey is red and dies b) I die tonight unless protected
I am insane DT a)mikey is green dies (shit) b)the other dt's know if they are sane or not c) mikey's staunch defenders using rather flawed logic are almost certaintly red d) I die at night unless protected
I don't expect to live through the night, I want to give information to the other dts, which requires my roleclaim on mickey to be used sooner rather than later. The longer time it takes for them to know if they are sane or not, the higher chance the mafia has on infiltrating town networks. More is gained in his death first.
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the thing is, we lynch first and then medics have time to decide who to protect so if BC turns out ok then medics can protect him then so there's actually no problems with him having to fear death
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On December 31 2008 08:29 chaoser wrote: the thing is, we lynch first and then medics have time to decide who to protect so if BC turns out ok then medics can protect him then so there's actually no problems with him having to fear death
Its unreasonable to stack medics on me though, as a bomber could kill me, or just stack 2-3 hits in a night to kill me. Most i can last is 1-2 nights.
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On December 31 2008 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 08:29 chaoser wrote: the thing is, we lynch first and then medics have time to decide who to protect so if BC turns out ok then medics can protect him then so there's actually no problems with him having to fear death Its unreasonable to stack medics on me though, as a bomber could kill me, or just stack 2-3 hits in a night to kill me. Most i can last is 1-2 nights.
we have the option of martyr. That keeps the mafia guessing. are we using medic? or martyr? also, using the bomber is suppose to kill many for the sacing of one so if it's a 1 for 1 sac then it's a failure for them. also they lose KP if they use bomber.
How is KP determined by the way? still 2 mafia=1 KP?
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On December 31 2008 08:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As you said, say mafia does kill me tonight, what has that accomplished, lets see I am sane DT A)mikey is red and dies b) I die tonight unless protected
I am insane DT a)mikey is green dies (shit) b)the other dt's know if they are sane or not c) mikey's staunch defenders using rather flawed logic are almost certaintly red d) I die at night unless protected
Nice fleshing out of option two to make it look better than it is. B and C are kind of irrelevant. If you read the beginning of game 3 again I was making the same arguments there as I did here. Yes Ace turned out to be mafia and Folca did turn out to be a dt, that was basically shit luck.
And then you're forgetting options 3 and 4:
You are mafia: - You could be godfather roleclaiming dt in case you get checked - You could just be mafia (Much more likely if it's this option)
You are village idiot - Good to lynch you because you'll just stir shit as the game goes on if you're kept alive.
in 3 of those 4 possibilities, it screws us to lynch mikey over you. In 2 of those 4 possibilities, it is worthwhile to kill you.
Now something you haven't addressed is your behaviour. Why, why after so many people asked dts NOT to jump out on day 1, did you do this if you were a DT. Not only that you picked a dude that other DTs were unlikely to have picked themselves and thus couldn't speak up against you. Because lets face it, dts are more likely to be investigating Ace/Ver than mikeymoo.
Also, all this stuff about finding out the sanity of dts by cross checking dt checks. There's a much easier way that was put forward last game so it's not like it's anything new, just rolecheck the guy who's about to be lynched. That way you don't need any huge webs of crosschecked dt rolechecks who then become public knowledge and killed by mafia.
Again, logic says we should lynch you and behaviour says something is up.
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dear god, I wake up and once again shits gone crazy.
Fucking dts, I told you to give them no role checks day 1 =(. It fucks up the game play, now every game will follow the exact same pattern, except now the we're fucked. If he is insane, shit, if he's sane, shit, I don't see any good coming from what BC did. My only guess is VI.
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On December 31 2008 08:44 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 08:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As you said, say mafia does kill me tonight, what has that accomplished, lets see I am sane DT A)mikey is red and dies b) I die tonight unless protected
I am insane DT a)mikey is green dies (shit) b)the other dt's know if they are sane or not c) mikey's staunch defenders using rather flawed logic are almost certaintly red d) I die at night unless protected
Nice fleshing out of option two to make it look better than it is. B and C are kind of irrelevant. If you read the beginning of game 3 again I was making the same arguments there as I did here. Yes Ace turned out to be mafia and Folca did turn out to be a dt, that was basically shit luck. And then you're forgetting options 3 and 4: You are mafia: - You could be godfather roleclaiming dt in case you get checked - You could just be mafia (Much more likely if it's this option) You are village idiot - Good to lynch you because you'll just stir shit as the game goes on if you're kept alive. in 3 of those 4 possibilities, it screws us to lynch mikey over you. In 2 of those 4 possibilities, it is worthwhile to kill you. Now something you haven't addressed is your behaviour. Why, why after so many people asked dts NOT to jump out on day 1, did you do this if you were a DT. Not only that you picked a dude that other DTs were unlikely to have picked themselves and thus couldn't speak up against you. Because lets face it, dts are more likely to be investigating Ace/Ver than mikeymoo. Also, all this stuff about finding out the sanity of dts by cross checking dt checks. There's a much easier way that was put forward last game so it's not like it's anything new, just rolecheck the guy who's about to be lynched. That way you don't need any huge webs of crosschecked dt rolechecks who then become public knowledge and killed by mafia. Again, logic says we should lynch you and behaviour says something is up.
Anyone who has talked to my outside mafia games knows that I hold mikeymoo, plexa, MTF, and camlitos in alot higher regard than Ver and Ace. Ace from my experience has had a decent strategy in Mafia 2, but was the mouth piece of the clue analyzers. In mafia 3 he was red advocating we lynch folca to save his own skin, last game he got random picked out by RoL.
Ver has had decent writeups from what ive seen, and also behaviour analyzes, but as the town manage to completely botch aces mafia, my respect of him isn't that high.
Mikey I have played with directly and know his ability(he was in the same circle i was in winning mafia 3), same with camlitos(plexa and mtf arent playing). I figured the chances of caller picking camlitos again for mafia were slim so i checked Mikey.
As for my behaviour? In everygame i have honestly roleclaimed, go look at aces game, mafia 3, and last game, i said i was green. I was all cases. Mafia 2 i claimed vig to ace which i was. I play everygame in a way to give the town best chances for survival, not my own personal gain, count that into your analysis.
As for what your offering in terms of role checking someone about to be lynched to determine? That means every dt has to do this once. This way, only one of us has to.
Now lets flip this around as you want me to. If i was godfather, I would never roleclaim dt first day, its guarenteed that i die either with first or second lynch. Meaning id never get to use my recruitment abilities. As for regular mafia I have stated earlier it would be easier and smarter to just claim i was speaking for a DT then get someone lynched, then if it goes poorly, sell out X, they get lynched then i get lynched.
Seriously half the shit that goes on in this game is dictated by players such as ace and ver, who because they have played this more than us, or have had one amazing game that people see them as the best players. Ace rarely changes up his play, and if people go against him he whines and stops playing and then posts to stir shit up. Learn to think people.
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From: LucasWoJ Subject: mafia Date: 12/31/08 08:58 Give me the list Caller gave you.
I think he is a clever mafia or a smart player. Somebody else get in contact with him. I won't.
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For the record, I believe BC.
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I think I have explained myself pretty clearly last game, so I'll keep this short: This is pretty poor play by BC, and all his reasonings are faulty. Why? Refer to my post in previous game, same applies here. Waaay tooo many possibilities that we can't account for.
Also, the VI hasn't revealed himself to help the Town (this time he needs it a lot more, because he can be killed at night), neither is anybody else acting nuts ATM. However, for the VI, the best strategy is to act ASAP, before he can be killed (Night 1), so the VI IS acting already, I'm almost sure of it. So then who is the VI? It's pretty obvious. (OK not 100%, but a very high chance of BC being the VI)
The question is rather should we lynch BC because of this or not? Should we get rid of BC now and give him his MSPaint, or ignore him and go on like nothing happened? (And maybe let the Mafia do the dirty job.)
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From: LucasWoJ Subject: Re: mafia Date: 12/31/08 09:19
LOL at your post in every way.
Mafia. You don't have to "watch". I'm watching you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't have to watch shit.
It was a smart idea to check mafia from previous games.
Also by asking it that way, you are indirectly implying that you are not mafia which I have good cause to doubt. Don't over read into things, now I'm at least sure you can't that smart.
----------------------------------------- Original Message:
How does that make me a smart player? Watch you answer.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Sorry I didn't get mafia three times in a row. Thank god!
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Give me the list Caller gave you.
I take it back he is a moron.
The messages appear First- Last - Last-First.
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On December 31 2008 09:20 AttackZerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +From: LucasWoJ Subject: Re: mafia Date: 12/31/08 09:19
LOL at your post in every way.
Mafia. You don't have to "watch". I'm watching you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't have to watch shit.
It was a smart idea to check mafia from previous games.
Also by asking it that way, you are indirectly implying that you are not mafia which I have good cause to doubt. Don't over read into things, now I'm at least sure you can't that smart.
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How does that make me a smart player? Watch you answer.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Sorry I didn't get mafia three times in a row. Thank god!
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Give me the list Caller gave you.
I take it back he is a moron.
The messages appear First- Last - Last-First.
None of this is suspicious but I should respond to it nevertheless. I'm in contact with a bunch of people via PM and I'm taking note of their answers (or lack of) to see if there's a sort pattern (or once again, lack of) Based on how the person we lynch today turns out, I'll know much more.
I'm also trying to see if players' responses to quick short questions (to which they must reply quickly or it seems suspicious -- if I know the person is on, I'm checking times I sent my PM against the time the PM was received) are consistent with their posts on the forum. There was a very specific reason I asked each of the questions I asked you, attack. And you gave me exactly what I wanted with your responses, even your latest post on the forums.
I'm a green townie. I have absolutely nothing to hide. If you wish, come back to this after we sort out the bloodycobbler thing, but as attack told us "Don't over read into things."
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Yes every game has gotten fucked up from people overreacting/overreading things.
Post times, hmm that is stupid how many people respond to pms within 2 minutes every time? ....
Probably only me, since I'm actively updating waiting for racewars , which btw zerg powa!
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On December 31 2008 07:26 Ace wrote: Also whatever happens, lynch Ozc3 the next day.
Finally. I guess I finally got the message across. THANK YOU. I knew we could come to an understanding. Not sure if that's the most beneficial to the town, but just choose a time before the game ends to lynch me and I'll be happy. Thanks. Yes, I am the village idiot.
But now on to some serious, helpful business for the town.
There's a chance that BloodyCobbler is mafia. I kid you not. The name of the game is "The Wrath of Khan." Yeah. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah. Look at BloodyCobbler's signature. It reads, "BY THE KHAN FOR THE KHAN OF THE KHAN THEREFORE SAMSUNG KHAN WIN." ....Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
However, I have not yet convinced myself, so I'm not sure whether I can call him a 100% mafia (as I have been able to do (quite confidently) with the previous seven).
But I have the eighth. Let's just vigi kill him some night. That should do it.
I know what you're thinking. "But 0cz3c, we can't just blindly trust you. You're saying he's mafia, but you ain't showin' us no clues. What gives doggonit?" Reasonable thoughts. So, expecting your doubt in advance, I've prepared some analysis that indisputably links Ace with the role of mafia.
Firstly, he was mafia last game. And the game before the one before that. Yeaaaaaaaaaah. I'm always skeptical about these things, for an Arabian proverb states that whatever happens one time will never happen again, but what happens twice will surely happen thrice. This is the third time. I guarantee it.
Secondly, Ace is from the United States. Michael Jackson is from the United States, too. Coincidence? Clearly not.
I've dug up some more mud on the mafia. His profile reads, "don\'t blame me, you shoulda voted for me the first time." Ace uses the first person. Caller never uses the first person in his Day Post. Something like this is always intentional. Especially when the clues are about Ace and are meant to be conspicuous.
Thirdly, the attackers are putting the blame on Caller. It's not their fault for attacking him; rather, it's his existence that is the primal cause and problem. You might notice that this detail is strikingly similar to Ace's profile words, in which he says, "don\'t blame me, you shoulda voted for me the first time." He's putting the blame on everyone but himself. As the umpire in the center of the world would say, "You're ouuuuuuuuutttttttaaaaaa here."
It's coming. I-T-'-S C-O-M-I-N-G. Here is my Ace in the Hole. The movie. Ace in the Hole by Billy Wilder. Notice any word that sticks out? My analysis indicates that it must be "Ace." Hmmmm. That seems to ring a bell. DING DONGGGGGG. ACE. The suspect for mafia. ! In Ace in the Hole, a man holds another man's life in his hands, but all he only wants money. $$$ The man leaves a trapped man to die. Well, Caller here is trapped himself. ! And, of course, the Day Post says, "He Wanna Stay Alive, Better Do What He Can." Identical to how the man in Ace in the Hole acts. And notice how WILD the mafia are acting. Almost like....BILLY WILDER !
And I overlooked this previously, but here it is: FACE. F - A - C - E. ACE. Another mafia bites the dust. I think I've gotten almost all of them. I'll wait for the next day post before I make my final verdict. I'll let you guys know what I conclude.
Hmmm. You know, it seems that all these clues are linking back to movies I've watched in my film class. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, so I'll keep an eye out for this in the future. I'll provide the list of the movies in a following post for any other adventurous clue hunters.
Also, I'm am the jack. I've already used one rolecheck, so I cannot check either BloddyCobbler or mikeymoo. I'm not sure if I'm insane or not, so I would not like to disclose the information which has been revealed to me. I will once I find out, however. Of course I remind you all that Showtime! has said that I am insane. If it turns up that he is lying, then that means that he is mafia. So, then, we must lynch him. Caller: can Jack be insane? I'd like to ASK YOU FIRST BEFORE WE JUMP TO ANY CONCLUSIONS !!!
I'll be role-checking Scaramanga tomorrow. Hopefully mafia will think that I'm just kidding and they won't kill me at night. I think I can tough it out another night. We'll know for sure whether Scaramanga is truly the mafia I have deduced him (correctly) to be.
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^ Lmfao, why do you spend time on those posts..
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1. North by Northwest 2. Ace in the Hole 3. The Kid 4. The Searchers 5. Bulworth 6. Once Upon a Time in America
For reference.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2008 09:45 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 07:26 Ace wrote: Also whatever happens, lynch Ozc3 the next day. Finally. I guess I finally got the message across. THANK YOU. I knew we could come to an understanding. Not sure if that's the most beneficial to the town, but just choose a time before the game ends to lynch me and I'll be happy. Thanks. Yes, I am the village idiot.But now on to some serious, helpful business for the town. There's a chance that BloodyCobbler is mafia. I kid you not. The name of the game is "The Wrath of Khan." Yeah. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah. Look at BloodyCobbler's signature. It reads, "BY THE KHAN FOR THE KHAN OF THE KHAN THEREFORE SAMSUNG KHAN WIN." .... Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. However, I have not yet convinced myself, so I'm not sure whether I can call him a 100% mafia (as I have been able to do (quite confidently) with the previous seven). But I have the eighth. Let's just vigi kill him some night. That should do it. I know what you're thinking. " But 0cz3c, we can't just blindly trust you. You're saying he's mafia, but you ain't showin' us no clues. What gives doggonit?" Reasonable thoughts. So, expecting your doubt in advance, I've prepared some analysis that indisputably links Ace with the role of mafia. Firstly, he was mafia last game. And the game before the one before that. Yeaaaaaaaaaah. I'm always skeptical about these things, for an Arabian proverb states that whatever happens one time will never happen again, but what happens twice will surely happen thrice. This is the third time. I guarantee it.Secondly, Ace is from the United States. Michael Jackson is from the United States, too. Coincidence? Clearly not. I've dug up some more mud on the mafia. His profile reads, "don\'t blame me, you shoulda voted for me the first time." Ace uses the first person. Caller never uses the first person in his Day Post. Something like this is always intentional. Especially when the clues are about Ace and are meant to be conspicuous. Thirdly, the attackers are putting the blame on Caller. It's not their fault for attacking him; rather, it's his existence that is the primal cause and problem. You might notice that this detail is strikingly similar to Ace's profile words, in which he says, "don\'t blame me, you shoulda voted for me the first time." He's putting the blame on everyone but himself. As the umpire in the center of the world would say, " You're ouuuuuuuuutttttttaaaaaa here." It's coming. I-T-'-S C-O-M-I-N-G. Here is my Ace in the Hole. The movie. Ace in the Hole by Billy Wilder. Notice any word that sticks out? My analysis indicates that it must be "Ace." Hmmmm. That seems to ring a bell. DING DONGGGGGG. ACE. The suspect for mafia. ! In Ace in the Hole, a man holds another man's life in his hands, but all he only wants money. $$$ The man leaves a trapped man to die. Well, Caller here is trapped himself. ! And, of course, the Day Post says, "He Wanna Stay Alive, Better Do What He Can." Identical to how the man in Ace in the Hole acts. And notice how WILD the mafia are acting. Almost like.... BILLY WILDER ! And I overlooked this previously, but here it is: FACE. F - A - C - E. ACE. Another mafia bites the dust. I think I've gotten almost all of them. I'll wait for the next day post before I make my final verdict. I'll let you guys know what I conclude.Hmmm. You know, it seems that all these clues are linking back to movies I've watched in my film class. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, so I'll keep an eye out for this in the future. I'll provide the list of the movies in a following post for any other adventurous clue hunters. Also, I'm am the jack. I've already used one rolecheck, so I cannot check either BloddyCobbler or mikeymoo. I'm not sure if I'm insane or not, so I would not like to disclose the information which has been revealed to me. I will once I find out, however. Of course I remind you all that Showtime! has said that I am insane. If it turns up that he is lying, then that means that he is mafia. So, then, we must lynch him. Caller: can Jack be insane? I'd like to ASK YOU FIRST BEFORE WE JUMP TO ANY CONCLUSIONS !!! I'll be role-checking Scaramanga tomorrow. Hopefully mafia will think that I'm just kidding and they won't kill me at night. I think I can tough it out another night. We'll know for sure whether Scaramanga is truly the mafia I have deduced him (correctly) to be.
How can you be both the Jack and Village Idiot?
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On December 31 2008 09:51 3 Lions wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2008 09:45 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 07:26 Ace wrote: Also whatever happens, lynch Ozc3 the next day. Finally. I guess I finally got the message across. THANK YOU. I knew we could come to an understanding. Not sure if that's the most beneficial to the town, but just choose a time before the game ends to lynch me and I'll be happy. Thanks. Yes, I am the village idiot.But now on to some serious, helpful business for the town. There's a chance that BloodyCobbler is mafia. I kid you not. The name of the game is "The Wrath of Khan." Yeah. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah. Look at BloodyCobbler's signature. It reads, "BY THE KHAN FOR THE KHAN OF THE KHAN THEREFORE SAMSUNG KHAN WIN." .... Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. However, I have not yet convinced myself, so I'm not sure whether I can call him a 100% mafia (as I have been able to do (quite confidently) with the previous seven). But I have the eighth. Let's just vigi kill him some night. That should do it. I know what you're thinking. " But 0cz3c, we can't just blindly trust you. You're saying he's mafia, but you ain't showin' us no clues. What gives doggonit?" Reasonable thoughts. So, expecting your doubt in advance, I've prepared some analysis that indisputably links Ace with the role of mafia. Firstly, he was mafia last game. And the game before the one before that. Yeaaaaaaaaaah. I'm always skeptical about these things, for an Arabian proverb states that whatever happens one time will never happen again, but what happens twice will surely happen thrice. This is the third time. I guarantee it.Secondly, Ace is from the United States. Michael Jackson is from the United States, too. Coincidence? Clearly not. I've dug up some more mud on the mafia. His profile reads, "don\'t blame me, you shoulda voted for me the first time." Ace uses the first person. Caller never uses the first person in his Day Post. Something like this is always intentional. Especially when the clues are about Ace and are meant to be conspicuous. Thirdly, the attackers are putting the blame on Caller. It's not their fault for attacking him; rather, it's his existence that is the primal cause and problem. You might notice that this detail is strikingly similar to Ace's profile words, in which he says, "don\'t blame me, you shoulda voted for me the first time." He's putting the blame on everyone but himself. As the umpire in the center of the world would say, " You're ouuuuuuuuutttttttaaaaaa here." It's coming. I-T-'-S C-O-M-I-N-G. Here is my Ace in the Hole. The movie. Ace in the Hole by Billy Wilder. Notice any word that sticks out? My analysis indicates that it must be "Ace." Hmmmm. That seems to ring a bell. DING DONGGGGGG. ACE. The suspect for mafia. ! In Ace in the Hole, a man holds another man's life in his hands, but all he only wants money. $$$ The man leaves a trapped man to die. Well, Caller here is trapped himself. ! And, of course, the Day Post says, "He Wanna Stay Alive, Better Do What He Can." Identical to how the man in Ace in the Hole acts. And notice how WILD the mafia are acting. Almost like.... BILLY WILDER ! And I overlooked this previously, but here it is: FACE. F - A - C - E. ACE. Another mafia bites the dust. I think I've gotten almost all of them. I'll wait for the next day post before I make my final verdict. I'll let you guys know what I conclude.Hmmm. You know, it seems that all these clues are linking back to movies I've watched in my film class. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, so I'll keep an eye out for this in the future. I'll provide the list of the movies in a following post for any other adventurous clue hunters. Also, I'm am the jack. I've already used one rolecheck, so I cannot check either BloddyCobbler or mikeymoo. I'm not sure if I'm insane or not, so I would not like to disclose the information which has been revealed to me. I will once I find out, however. Of course I remind you all that Showtime! has said that I am insane. If it turns up that he is lying, then that means that he is mafia. So, then, we must lynch him. Caller: can Jack be insane? I'd like to ASK YOU FIRST BEFORE WE JUMP TO ANY CONCLUSIONS !!! I'll be role-checking Scaramanga tomorrow. Hopefully mafia will think that I'm just kidding and they won't kill me at night. I think I can tough it out another night. We'll know for sure whether Scaramanga is truly the mafia I have deduced him (correctly) to be. How can you be both the Jack and Village Idiot?
Hes a special kind of stupid
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im sort of dizzy, lets lynch oz instead of bc and mikeymoo.
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