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Would the Real Slim Shady please stand up. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
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0cz3c
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mikeymoo
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
From: Caller Subject: Re: Kill Power Date: 12/31/08 10:47 #/2 rounded up ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Mafia kill power is...= to their members? From: Caller Subject: Re: Sanity Date: 12/31/08 10:45 just dt ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Oh also when a DT dies, is he simply revealed as a DT or is his sanity revealedd also? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 31 2008 10:50 Incognito wrote: I haven't finished reading through the whole thread yet. Some useful information from some of the questions I've seen: From: Caller Subject: Re: Kill Power Date: 12/31/08 10:47 #/2 rounded up ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Mafia kill power is...= to their members? From: Caller Subject: Re: Sanity Date: 12/31/08 10:45 just dt ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Oh also when a DT dies, is he simply revealed as a DT or is his sanity revealedd also? It shouldn't be, the DT should flip the exact role message he was given. | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On December 31 2008 10:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: It shouldn't be, the DT should flip the exact role message he was given. Um a DT isn't told his sanity. What do you mean the DT should flip the exact role message he was given? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On December 31 2008 10:54 mikeymoo wrote: Um a DT isn't told his sanity. What do you mean the DT should flip the exact role message he was given?  sorry i phrased it badly. Exactly what you said. He should flip blue as in just Detective, if he dies and the sanity is told it kinda ruins the point of having the sanity bit. | ||
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mikeymoo
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Mynock
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mikeymoo
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mikeymoo
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Town: Read everything, and make the right decision (hint: involves not lynching me) | ||
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nemY
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 31 2008 11:22 Mynock wrote: Wait a second. Who said there's only 1 insane DT in the game? Or am i missing something? To have more than 1 would require having like 4-5 dts + jacks And to maintain a balanced game, he would need 3 dts, which requires 1 insane dt to maintain balance. Caller should have learned from last game, that balance is essential. Anymore than 3 dts and the game gets too inbalanced with the amount of role checks. and with more than 1 insane dt you get too much time debating on your sanity that you don't end up being useful. anything else and this game gets to be horrifically one sided either for town or mafia based on how many dts/how many insane dts there are. | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On December 31 2008 08:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone who has talked to my outside mafia games knows that I hold mikeymoo, plexa, MTF, and camlitos in alot higher regard than Ver and Ace. Ace from my experience has had a decent strategy in Mafia 2, but was the mouth piece of the clue analyzers. In mafia 3 he was red advocating we lynch folca to save his own skin, last game he got random picked out by RoL. Ver has had decent writeups from what ive seen, and also behaviour analyzes, but as the town manage to completely botch aces mafia, my respect of him isn't that high. Mikey I have played with directly and know his ability(he was in the same circle i was in winning mafia 3), same with camlitos(plexa and mtf arent playing). I figured the chances of caller picking camlitos again for mafia were slim so i checked Mikey. As for my behaviour? In everygame i have honestly roleclaimed, go look at aces game, mafia 3, and last game, i said i was green. I was all cases. Mafia 2 i claimed vig to ace which i was. I play everygame in a way to give the town best chances for survival, not my own personal gain, count that into your analysis. As for what your offering in terms of role checking someone about to be lynched to determine? That means every dt has to do this once. This way, only one of us has to. Now lets flip this around as you want me to. If i was godfather, I would never roleclaim dt first day, its guarenteed that i die either with first or second lynch. Meaning id never get to use my recruitment abilities. As for regular mafia I have stated earlier it would be easier and smarter to just claim i was speaking for a DT then get someone lynched, then if it goes poorly, sell out X, they get lynched then i get lynched. Seriously half the shit that goes on in this game is dictated by players such as ace and ver, who because they have played this more than us, or have had one amazing game that people see them as the best players. Ace rarely changes up his play, and if people go against him he whines and stops playing and then posts to stir shit up. Learn to think people. Things like roleclaiming in previous games is irrelevant there's no point bringing it up as proof that you are legitimate in this game. New roles, new affiliations, everything changes. The godfather thing was more for completeness than anything else. leaving us at this again: in 3 of those 4 possibilities, it screws us to lynch mikey over you. In 2 of those 4 possibilities, it is worthwhile to kill you. The biggest issue with the behaviour is that you jumped out, on day 1. You could have pm'd 2 people you knew were posting and used them as your mouth, much safer than just coming straight out to everyone and even possible to catch out another mafia if one of them refuses to speak for you. You could have waited one more day and had another check to put out on the table. Mikeymoo really wouldn't have been able to accomplish much, not with the more vocal players making their points. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On December 31 2008 11:42 Bockit wrote: Things like roleclaiming in previous games is irrelevant there's no point bringing it up as proof that you are legitimate in this game. New roles, new affiliations, everything changes. The godfather thing was more for completeness than anything else. leaving us at this again: The biggest issue with the behaviour is that you jumped out, on day 1. You could have pm'd 2 people you knew were posting and used them as your mouth, much safer than just coming straight out to everyone and even possible to catch out another mafia if one of them refuses to speak for you. You could have waited one more day and had another check to put out on the table. Mikeymoo really wouldn't have been able to accomplish much, not with the more vocal players making their points. Behaviour from previous games is important here however, as it defines how people play almost game to game. Ace has played exactly the same everygame, with the difference that if hes mafia and called on it, he starts to spaz a little and slips up. Otherwise he just gets angry. Bringing up my previous gaming experiences is more a reflection on how i play, which is always to the same goal. Then you say i should use mouth pieces? Early day 1, that is a safer route but less legitimate to prove yourself as you first have to prove the people your a DT, and in a pm there is no risk to yourself really, as its your word vs theres and pm's can be photoshopped. Using a mouth piece is less logical than someone taking the risk and getting lynched, as there is almost no risk to yourself but no credibility either. By doing it in the open you put yourself on the same chopping block, which no intelligent mafia will do, and the VI's best interest revolve working with the town to ensure a victory then have town lynch them just before that happens. Only being a DT would correlate to this way of playing. | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
Also, mynock is defending mikeymoo way to much (he's a good player why doing such a move?), he can be mafia | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On December 31 2008 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Behaviour from previous games is important here however, as it defines how people play almost game to game. Ace has played exactly the same everygame, with the difference that if hes mafia and called on it, he starts to spaz a little and slips up. Otherwise he just gets angry. Bringing up my previous gaming experiences is more a reflection on how i play, which is always to the same goal. Then you say i should use mouth pieces? Early day 1, that is a safer route but less legitimate to prove yourself as you first have to prove the people your a DT, and in a pm there is no risk to yourself really, as its your word vs theres and pm's can be photoshopped. Using a mouth piece is less logical than someone taking the risk and getting lynched, as there is almost no risk to yourself but no credibility either. By doing it in the open you put yourself on the same chopping block, which no intelligent mafia will do, and the VI's best interest revolve working with the town to ensure a victory then have town lynch them just before that happens. Only being a DT would correlate to this way of playing. I didn't say disregard everything from previous games, only things like the truthfulness of your previous roleclaims. For example, you cannot say "Because I roleclaimed true in other mafia games, I am roleclaiming true this game" it just doesn't work. There are elements of playstyle that do transfer from game to game yes, but they can't be used as proof of legitimacy in future games. You still have to prove that you're a dt now. I still have no proof that you're a dt. All I have is your word, same as if you had used a mouthpiece. Just with a mouthpiece the mafia are exponentially less likely to know who the dt is (unless you get unlucky and pick a mafia mouthpiece, hence why you pm two people, still a risk but yeah you get my point). Oh btw, and this isn't directed at you BC, it's just that writing this post reminded me of this, in the last few games people seem to be pulling the "I have told you multiple times I am a townie, I am a townie, you must have realised this by now" card, just please, please make sure everyone you don't listen to these people. In fact if someone even tries to say something like this it's suspicious. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Things we know: 1. BC claims DT. 2. mikeymoo claims blue. 3. BC claims he checked mikeymoo. If 2 is true, then 1 is false. If 2 is false, we know nothing concerning 1. Possible actions: a) kill mikeymoo b) kill BC Possible outcomes from possible actions: I'll count neutral outcomes as good since we don't have anyone else we want to target day 1. a) kill mikeymoo i) 33% mikeymoo is green - we know nothing - neutral ii) 33% mikeymoo is blue - BC is VI or mafia - 50% good (we know one mafia) 50% bad (we lose a blue AND we know nothing) iii) 33% mikeymoo is red - either a mafia ploy (50% bad), or BC is a sane DT. Which would mean that we know nothing about the other DTs sanity. 50% good. I'm counting it as good because we get one mafia kill. thus, the expected outcome from killing mikeymoo is: 66% good. (33% each from case i, and half of 33% for case ii and iii = 66%) b) kill BC i) 33% BC is green - possible but means BC is just a bored townie. bad ii) 33% BC is blue - 1) BC is jack - mikey moo would thus be mafia - fair trade = good 2) BC is DT - we know nothing - bad 3) BC is VI (I don't know if VI is a blue role but I'll post it here) - we know nothing but at least we get rid of the VI. neutral iii) 33% BC is red - good. we still know nothing about mikeymoo. By killing BC, we get a 55% good outcome. (2/3 of 33% from outcome ii, and 33% from outcome iii.) Now I know this does not take into account the motivations etc, and that some outcomes could be "better" than other outcomes, although this is measuring everything on a black/white scale. It is just something to think about. If anyone can see a flaw in THIS ASPECT of the analysis, feel free to pm or post something in public. * DISCLAIMER* PLEASE DO NOT VOTE SOLELY BASED ON THIS ANALYSIS. It is just for discussion. *edit* I don't know why, but * followed immediately by a D produces a smiley? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
It's really simple people. Just kill him. He's probably the VI and lynching him early gets him out of our hair for the rest of the game. | ||
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