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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
so its a lose lose play for mafia, which is why I believe its legit | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
and On November 10 2008 12:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ace isnt dead yet? one thing at a time people you missed a day | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On November 10 2008 11:52 fusionsdf wrote: IMPORTANT NEWS someone has PMed me claiming to be a detective, and they used a role check on fanatacist he is mafia (if you believe the PM, which I do, since mafia doesnt gain a ton by faking it) so do we switch votes tonight, or lynch midnight gladius and lynch fanatacist tomorrow? tl;dr: fanatacist is mafia I say we get fanatacist. Mafia has nothing to gain from this except maybe ONE extra kill, as if fanatacist is green, whoever PMed you is obviously mafia. Since the DT is using you as a mouth, there is less risk than with the Folca situation. ## I change my vote from MidnightGladius to fanatacist If a vigi thinks MidnightGladius is mafia, he will be hit anyway. Mafia has almost nothing to gain from telling fusion this. Also by doing this, fusion can spill who the "DT" is if fanatacist is green. Then a vigi hits MidnightGladius hopefully. Since MidnightGladius is only based on clues, we may as well wait a night and get another clue from Chuiu to doubletriplequadcheck. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
I guess at this point, we are pretty much ahead of the mafia. Even if fantacist flips out blue/green, we'd know that we would lynch the person who PMed fusion  | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On November 10 2008 12:23 clazziquai wrote: #I change my vote from Bloodyc0bbler to fantacist I guess at this point, we are pretty much ahead of the mafia. Even if fantacist flips out blue/green, we'd know that we would lynch the person who PMed fusion or lynch fusion as well | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
That certainly is a possiblity...But Fusion is probably a vet...we've already proven that the mafia missed a hit.... Edit: Gay...timing on posts.... | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 10 2008 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: fair enough fusion and you missed a day oh whoops and i'm glad to see you guys have learned from the folca/ace incident. mafia comes out behind in any situation where they pretend to be detectives, so i vote to lynch fanatacist | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
someone has PMed me claiming to be a detective, and they used a role check on fusionsdf he is mafia (if you believe the PM, which I do, since mafia doesnt gain a ton by faking it) so do we switch votes tonight, or lynch midnight gladius and lynch fusionsdf tomorrow? tl;dr: fusionsdf is mafia --- Does anyone find this asinine finger pointing as stupid as I do? Mafia does gain a ton, because like I said before they are simply working to dilute the suspects list with people who aren't mafia. They saw that MG is getting a lot of votes, didn't want to lose KP, and now have faked a PM claiming I am Mafia. Everyone bandwagons because fusionsdf posted it in the thread, I get lynched, flip green, and their KP remains the same for one more night. Let us work off of clues, not random PMs that are just as likely to be BS Mafia plots as real DT PMs. EDIT: And it's just as likely that fusionsdf made up this whole PM story in order to do the same thing, to take attention away from other likely candidates for at least another day or two. Hmm, let's see, who could that be? Any of the following: Scorch BloodyCobbler MidnightGladius, most of all. Can anyone find any clues linked to me, at all? Probably not. Why? Because I'm not Mafia. Can we find clues linked to those 3 individuals? Yes. Why? Because they are probably Mafia. THINK before you BANDWAGON, people. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
its not finger pointing its a DT rolecheck. If its correct, you die and we are down a mafia. If its a lie, I already have systems in place to make the name of the 'DT' public. In which case that mafia will die. Either way, a mafia is dying tonight (probably) or tomorrow (if all else fails) | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
Don't really know which situation we have here but here are my thoughts: These are all situations where we lynch fanatacist 1) Real dt pm'd fusion, fusion is town-aligned, fanatacist is mafia We kill fanatacist, he pops red 2) Real dt pm'd fusion, fusion is mafia, fanatacist is mafia. Fusion is in a sore spot, but he has to call out fanatacist because if he doesn't dt knows he's mafia too, meaning that the dt can pm someone else now knowing 2 mafia (or reveal it himself) 3) Fusion is mafia, fanatacist is town-aligned It makes no sense to do this, mafia have been losing a lot of numbers and to lose another like this would be a stupid move (ie we lynch fanatacist today and he pops town, we obviously kill fusion the next day...) 4) Fusion is townie got pm'd by mafia (not dt), fanatacist is town-aligned. More likely than 3, but still a stupid move by mafia, because if we lynch fanatacist and he pops town, simply get fusion to tell us who pm'd him during the night cycle before he can die the next morning. Sorry fanatacist, 1 and 2 are much more likely than 3 and 4 in my books, it just doesn't make sense for them to pull 3 and 4 as they're just asking to lose more members (when they need them the most right now...). EDIT: ## I vote for fanatacist | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On November 10 2008 12:32 fusionsdf wrote: um its not finger pointing its a DT rolecheck. If its correct, you die and we are down a mafia. If its a lie, I already have systems in place to make the name of the 'DT' public. In which case that mafia will die. Either way, a mafia is dying tonight (probably) or tomorrow (if all else fails) And what if you are a Mafia and the name of the DT is another townie (hopefully a blue), so when I turn up green (since you know I'm not Mafia), you make everyone lynch the supposed DT, who will also turn up green/blue. Kind of a beneficial circumstance, especially if someone trusted you early on like they trusted Ace and PM'd you information on our roles. Here is what I suspect is happening: DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. Are you all really so blind in your bandwagon that you can't see this? | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
You guys can keep on accusing me, but when you do, realize that you can attribute almost any hostile sentiment to my signature, and gee, people get killed with sharp objects. That aside, I understand that you guys might have some reservations about me. To clear things up, I voted for Folca the first day, because that is the only safe route for a role-claiming DT at that time. Enough people have explained the rationale behind this, and as I said earlier, we now indeed have a tempo advantage from timing Ace's lynch/vigi clues as we did. So far, so good. As it stands right now, we should be able to definitely take down another red in the next cycle, as well as whatever vigis can snap up. If we stay rational about our actions, we should have this. ## Voting fanatacist. EDIT: Syntax. ## I vote for fanatacist. | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
Am I missing something here? From what I observed, I posted a possible clue on MidnightGladius and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Then fusionsdf came out with some breaking news, then everyone switched again. Also, it seems that no one has questioned fusionsdf's identity so far (Seriously, am I missing something here?) Okay...case breakdown again: Assuming that all of the following players are sane (Big assumption, I must say) 1. fusionsdf/fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist is a mafia. 2. fusionsdf/fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom claimed that he rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist/fanatacist is not a mafia 3. fusionsdf MADE UP THE PM, and fanatacist/fanatacist is not a mafia. 4. fusionsdf MADE UP THE PM, and fanatacist is a mafia 5. fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom claimed that he rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist is a mafia. It seems like most of the posts so far only considered cases 1 and 2. Unless you guys know some information that I don't, I cannot see why we should rule out the possibility of case 3. Case 4 and 5 seems rather unlikely, but I think it's necessary to put it up here. Edit: Apparently my reply took a while to type up, and meanwhile more drama happened while I was typing this up. I have to head to bed...maybe tomorrow I'll see what happens. | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On November 10 2008 12:40 fanatacist wrote: And what if you are a Mafia and the name of the DT is another townie (hopefully a blue), so when I turn up green (since you know I'm not Mafia), you make everyone lynch the supposed DT, who will also turn up green/blue. Kind of a beneficial circumstance, especially if someone trusted you early on like they trusted Ace and PM'd you information on our roles. Here is what I suspect is happening: DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. Are you all really so blind in your bandwagon that you can't see this? Except if the dt is legit and pm'd fusion and fusion is mafia then the dt is dead anyway as nobody knows his name for paramedics to save and mafia will definitely kill him tonight. If this is the scenario the dt is lost anyay so it's just tossing up between you and fusion. That said, this situation is so implausible it's not funny. Why would a REAL dt (because this situation you're describing requires a REAL dt) pm a random townie with FALSE information (which is what is required if you are green/blue as per the circumstances you describe), he is risking everything for NO GAIN (town lynches a blue/green instead of a red) and also his own life when he is so important. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
fanatacist, if a real DT PMed me a name, and I take that name and replace it with fanatacist, the DT can speak up and say a) this original target is mafia and b) fusionsdf changed the target, so he is mafia as well. then we trade 2 mafia for a green and a blue yeah not a good deal for the mafia | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On November 02 2008 14:49 Chuiu wrote: Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet. *Points finger at fanatacist* Edit: On November 10 2008 12:45 KH1031 wrote: Hmm... Am I missing something here? From what I observed, I posted a possible clue on MidnightGladius and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Then fusionsdf came out with some breaking news, then everyone switched again. Also, it seems that no one has questioned fusionsdf's identity so far (Seriously, am I missing something here?) Okay...case breakdown again: Assuming that all of the following players are sane (Big assumption, I must say) 1. fusionsdf/fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist is a mafia. 2. fusionsdf/fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom claimed that he rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist/fanatacist is not a mafia 3. fusionsdf MADE UP THE PM, and fanatacist/fanatacist is not a mafia. 4. fusionsdf MADE UP THE PM, and fanatacist is a mafia 5. fusionsdf got a PM from a DT, whom claimed that he rolechecked fanatacist, and fanatacist is a mafia. It seems like most of the posts so far only considered cases 1 and 2. Unless you guys know some information that I don't, I cannot see why we should rule out the possibility of case 3. Case 4 and 5 seems rather unlikely, but I think it's necessary to put it up here. Edit: Apparently my reply took a while to type up, and meanwhile more drama happened while I was typing this up. I have to head to bed...maybe tomorrow I'll see what happens. Didn't someone PROVE Fusion was hit by Mafia last night cycle? Or is no one paying attention to that? Or perhaps a vigi hit him and mafia stacked kills on someone, something stupid to do the night you use your suicide bomber.... | ||
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