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On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao
Considering who actually is participating it's really not surprising. Nightmare being the best Protoss on the docket pretty much guaranteed a bad showing for them.
If Reynor doesn't break out of his funk soon then it looks like Serral is going to have to be doing most if not all of the heavy lifting for Zerg outside of Korea for the forseeable future. He hasn't put up good results anywhere near his peak in over a year.
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On December 01 2024 12:42 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Considering who actually is participating it's really not surprising. Nightmare being the best Protoss on the docket pretty much guaranteed a bad showing for them. If Reynor doesn't break out of his funk soon then it looks like Serral is going to have to be doing most if not all of the heavy lifting for Zerg outside of Korea for the forseeable future. He hasn't put up good results anywhere near his peak in over a year.
Small correction: ShowTime is by far the best Protoss on the docket, but he is also the perfect opponent for Maru and Spirit beating him isn't an upset either. NightMare just happened to be in a group that didn't have two better players. Though I would probably have expected Skillous over him.
Reynors slump really is concerning. I think the only good showing he had all year was getting the big points in the WTL Playoffs?
In general, as of now there is basically no real upset in this tournament - meaning the patch didn't shake up that much. Serral, Maru and Clem cruise through the field, GuMiho is the best of the rest and all the others are also there.
Predictions for the Quarters:
Maru/Ryung: Normally Maru, but Ryungs TvT is tricky...should still be a 3:0
GuMi/BigGabe: EWC Rematch...I will just go with a 3:2 for Heromarine here
Clem/Nightmare: If this isn't a 3:0 it would already be an upset
Serral/Spirit: I believe Serral has a combined maploss against Terrans not named Clem this year of...3. But hey, Spirit has won a map against Serral each year for three years in a row, but not yet in 2024. Who knows?
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On December 01 2024 14:05 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 12:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Considering who actually is participating it's really not surprising. Nightmare being the best Protoss on the docket pretty much guaranteed a bad showing for them. If Reynor doesn't break out of his funk soon then it looks like Serral is going to have to be doing most if not all of the heavy lifting for Zerg outside of Korea for the forseeable future. He hasn't put up good results anywhere near his peak in over a year. Small correction: ShowTime is by far the best Protoss on the docket, but he is also the perfect opponent for Maru and Spirit beating him isn't an upset either. NightMare just happened to be in a group that didn't have two better players. Though I would probably have expected Skillous over him. Reynors slump really is concerning. I think the only good showing he had all year was getting the big points in the WTL Playoffs? In general, as of now there is basically no real upset in this tournament - meaning the patch didn't shake up that much. Serral, Maru and Clem cruise through the field, GuMiho is the best of the rest and all the others are also there. Predictions for the Quarters: Maru/Ryung: Normally Maru, but Ryungs TvT is tricky...should still be a 3:0 GuMi/BigGabe: EWC Rematch...I will just go with a 3:2 for Heromarine here Clem/Nightmare: If this isn't a 3:0 it would already be an upset Serral/Spirit: I believe Serral has a combined maploss against Terrans not named Clem this year of...3. But hey, Spirit has won a map against Serral each year for three years in a row, but not yet in 2024. Who knows?
If you want to say Showtime is the best Protoss at this tournament I don't agree but I think it's debatable who is better between them since their skill levels and accomplishments are pretty comparable.
Either way. It doesn't change the general point. You have a very weak Protoss field at this tournament. It's unrealistic to look at the list of participating players and expect parity in the final rounds of the tournament. Should be thankful there's even a Protoss in the playoff bracket at all.
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It's hard to watch this when the world's best player can't attend because he is royalty. You just get the feeling everyone is fighting over the number 2 spot.
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On December 01 2024 14:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 14:05 Balnazza wrote:On December 01 2024 12:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Considering who actually is participating it's really not surprising. Nightmare being the best Protoss on the docket pretty much guaranteed a bad showing for them. If Reynor doesn't break out of his funk soon then it looks like Serral is going to have to be doing most if not all of the heavy lifting for Zerg outside of Korea for the forseeable future. He hasn't put up good results anywhere near his peak in over a year. Small correction: ShowTime is by far the best Protoss on the docket, but he is also the perfect opponent for Maru and Spirit beating him isn't an upset either. NightMare just happened to be in a group that didn't have two better players. Though I would probably have expected Skillous over him. Reynors slump really is concerning. I think the only good showing he had all year was getting the big points in the WTL Playoffs? In general, as of now there is basically no real upset in this tournament - meaning the patch didn't shake up that much. Serral, Maru and Clem cruise through the field, GuMiho is the best of the rest and all the others are also there. Predictions for the Quarters: Maru/Ryung: Normally Maru, but Ryungs TvT is tricky...should still be a 3:0 GuMi/BigGabe: EWC Rematch...I will just go with a 3:2 for Heromarine here Clem/Nightmare: If this isn't a 3:0 it would already be an upset Serral/Spirit: I believe Serral has a combined maploss against Terrans not named Clem this year of...3. But hey, Spirit has won a map against Serral each year for three years in a row, but not yet in 2024. Who knows? If you want to say Showtime is the best Protoss at this tournament I don't agree but I think it's debatable who is better between them since their skill levels and accomplishments are pretty comparable. Either way. It doesn't change the general point. You have a very weak Protoss field at this tournament. It's unrealistic to look at the list of participating players and expect parity in the final rounds of the tournament. Should be thankful there's even a Protoss in the playoff bracket at all.
You are right, it does not matter. I think we can agree that if Showtime and Nightmare were in the opposite groups, Showtime would have most likely advanced and Nightmare wouldn't have - so same result.
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On December 01 2024 15:22 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 14:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2024 14:05 Balnazza wrote:On December 01 2024 12:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Considering who actually is participating it's really not surprising. Nightmare being the best Protoss on the docket pretty much guaranteed a bad showing for them. If Reynor doesn't break out of his funk soon then it looks like Serral is going to have to be doing most if not all of the heavy lifting for Zerg outside of Korea for the forseeable future. He hasn't put up good results anywhere near his peak in over a year. Small correction: ShowTime is by far the best Protoss on the docket, but he is also the perfect opponent for Maru and Spirit beating him isn't an upset either. NightMare just happened to be in a group that didn't have two better players. Though I would probably have expected Skillous over him. Reynors slump really is concerning. I think the only good showing he had all year was getting the big points in the WTL Playoffs? In general, as of now there is basically no real upset in this tournament - meaning the patch didn't shake up that much. Serral, Maru and Clem cruise through the field, GuMiho is the best of the rest and all the others are also there. Predictions for the Quarters: Maru/Ryung: Normally Maru, but Ryungs TvT is tricky...should still be a 3:0 GuMi/BigGabe: EWC Rematch...I will just go with a 3:2 for Heromarine here Clem/Nightmare: If this isn't a 3:0 it would already be an upset Serral/Spirit: I believe Serral has a combined maploss against Terrans not named Clem this year of...3. But hey, Spirit has won a map against Serral each year for three years in a row, but not yet in 2024. Who knows? If you want to say Showtime is the best Protoss at this tournament I don't agree but I think it's debatable who is better between them since their skill levels and accomplishments are pretty comparable. Either way. It doesn't change the general point. You have a very weak Protoss field at this tournament. It's unrealistic to look at the list of participating players and expect parity in the final rounds of the tournament. Should be thankful there's even a Protoss in the playoff bracket at all. You are right, it does not matter. I think we can agree that if Showtime and Nightmare were in the opposite groups, Showtime would have most likely advanced and Nightmare wouldn't have - so same result.
I trust Nighmare PvT more than Showtime, and would like his chance against Spirit.
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On December 01 2024 09:29 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 08:22 darklycid wrote:On December 01 2024 08:18 geokilla wrote:On December 01 2024 08:10 darklycid wrote:On December 01 2024 08:06 Blitzball04 wrote:On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Not surprising since we all knew this patch was a buff for terran and another nerf to already weaken toss Also Serral just doing Serral stuff. Serral pretty much saved us from a dreadful final day of tvt I mean there werre some other factors too, like lambo from what he said in his cideos was that he was playing alot of deadlock recently so while he also played some sc2 again he probably istn fully in practise again, reynor according to rotti just went to korea and probably wasnt pracitising there, elazer idk about but in my head isnt that active currently either while ryung,spirit, gabe etc are more into the grind at least in my headcanon. Reynor doesn't even play SC2 even when he's at home. He's been playing League of Legends. I feel like Reynor's just not as motivated as before. He is sort of a big game player and there are no big games rn. Yeah do you expect people to practice sc2 diligently while we don't even know if there is a circuit/tournament to be played next year? Only surprising result imo was ShoWTimE losing to Spirit, otherwise if Reynor doesn't practice much HM beating him is kinda expected
Especially considering he's still young and has plenty of gas left in the tank for a promising esports career outside of SC2, cut the man some slack.
Overall I was most surprised by Ryung's performance, did not expect much out of him, but he showed really solid games.
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On November 30 2024 03:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Just wish the play-off portion was double elimination.
not like this tho 
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On December 01 2024 18:45 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 09:29 Poopi wrote:On December 01 2024 08:22 darklycid wrote:On December 01 2024 08:18 geokilla wrote:On December 01 2024 08:10 darklycid wrote:On December 01 2024 08:06 Blitzball04 wrote:On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Not surprising since we all knew this patch was a buff for terran and another nerf to already weaken toss Also Serral just doing Serral stuff. Serral pretty much saved us from a dreadful final day of tvt I mean there werre some other factors too, like lambo from what he said in his cideos was that he was playing alot of deadlock recently so while he also played some sc2 again he probably istn fully in practise again, reynor according to rotti just went to korea and probably wasnt pracitising there, elazer idk about but in my head isnt that active currently either while ryung,spirit, gabe etc are more into the grind at least in my headcanon. Reynor doesn't even play SC2 even when he's at home. He's been playing League of Legends. I feel like Reynor's just not as motivated as before. He is sort of a big game player and there are no big games rn. Yeah do you expect people to practice sc2 diligently while we don't even know if there is a circuit/tournament to be played next year? Only surprising result imo was ShoWTimE losing to Spirit, otherwise if Reynor doesn't practice much HM beating him is kinda expected Especially considering he's still young and has plenty of gas left in the tank for a promising esports career outside of SC2, cut the man some slack. Overall I was most surprised by Ryung's performance, did not expect much out of him, but he showed really solid games.
Ryung's done that a bunch of times. He goes quiet for a long time then busts out a decent tournament run before going quiet again. He's had a long career of doing that so it cant be THAT surprising anymore.
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hope for some good games at least
Let the best terran win!
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United Kingdom38149 Posts
On December 01 2024 16:16 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 15:22 Balnazza wrote:On December 01 2024 14:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2024 14:05 Balnazza wrote:On December 01 2024 12:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2024 07:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
6T / 1P / 1Z in playoffs?
that's just crazy, lmao Considering who actually is participating it's really not surprising. Nightmare being the best Protoss on the docket pretty much guaranteed a bad showing for them. If Reynor doesn't break out of his funk soon then it looks like Serral is going to have to be doing most if not all of the heavy lifting for Zerg outside of Korea for the forseeable future. He hasn't put up good results anywhere near his peak in over a year. Small correction: ShowTime is by far the best Protoss on the docket, but he is also the perfect opponent for Maru and Spirit beating him isn't an upset either. NightMare just happened to be in a group that didn't have two better players. Though I would probably have expected Skillous over him. Reynors slump really is concerning. I think the only good showing he had all year was getting the big points in the WTL Playoffs? In general, as of now there is basically no real upset in this tournament - meaning the patch didn't shake up that much. Serral, Maru and Clem cruise through the field, GuMiho is the best of the rest and all the others are also there. Predictions for the Quarters: Maru/Ryung: Normally Maru, but Ryungs TvT is tricky...should still be a 3:0 GuMi/BigGabe: EWC Rematch...I will just go with a 3:2 for Heromarine here Clem/Nightmare: If this isn't a 3:0 it would already be an upset Serral/Spirit: I believe Serral has a combined maploss against Terrans not named Clem this year of...3. But hey, Spirit has won a map against Serral each year for three years in a row, but not yet in 2024. Who knows? If you want to say Showtime is the best Protoss at this tournament I don't agree but I think it's debatable who is better between them since their skill levels and accomplishments are pretty comparable. Either way. It doesn't change the general point. You have a very weak Protoss field at this tournament. It's unrealistic to look at the list of participating players and expect parity in the final rounds of the tournament. Should be thankful there's even a Protoss in the playoff bracket at all. You are right, it does not matter. I think we can agree that if Showtime and Nightmare were in the opposite groups, Showtime would have most likely advanced and Nightmare wouldn't have - so same result. I trust Nighmare PvT more than Showtime, and would like his chance against Spirit.
Think Nightmare crushes Spirit - Feel like the storm heavy style Nightmare uses rather than Showtime continuing to lean on the disruptor is way more effective.
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Heromarine over Reynor was an upset on paper, but I think that's clearly just Reynor obviously not playing much recently. Gabe seemed like he might have hit a better mental mix of playing, teaching and content creating on his stream lately and does seem like he might be a little bit revitalised.
I still reckon Reynor will hit good levels next year if there's serious stuff to play for, but Shin is the third best Z in the world at the mo behind Serral and Dark.
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Maybe we can see an upset or two today to keep things more interesting than the TvT parade that looks likely, but it always looked likely when the line up was announced too.
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HM should have won the 1st game... tough loss _(
maru vs ryung g1 was really good!
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Why the hell did Ryung make like 20 mines in lategame? Did he plan to disable all the BCs and has the Mines to shoot them down?
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On December 01 2024 23:05 tigera6 wrote:
Why the hell did Ryung make like 20 mines in lategame? Did he plan to disable all the BCs and has the Mines to shoot them down?
mass mines can be surprisingly good against BCs
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Look i didnt expect Nightmare to win or even take a map but holy fuck the protoss games this hsc have mostly been depressing af.
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On December 01 2024 23:54 darklycid wrote:
Look i didnt expect Nightmare to win or even take a map but holy fuck the protoss games this hsc have mostly been depressing af.
I don't know what you were expecting but that looked pretty much exactly how a Clem vs Nightmare match looked in my head.
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On December 02 2024 00:00 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 23:54 darklycid wrote:
Look i didnt expect Nightmare to win or even take a map but holy fuck the protoss games this hsc have mostly been depressing af. I don't know what you were expecting but that looked pretty much exactly how a Clem vs Nightmare match looked in my head.
Eh maybe a lil more resistance and not dying to the first push. But also talking more in general this hsc i felt like the protoss games haven't looked very good even the ones one muight have expected to be closer in how they play out.
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3 clean 13-0 map scores going into the semis. I can't remember ever seeing this in a major tournament. Serral, Maru and Clem really are head and shoulders above every else right now. Although I suppose herO and Dark not playing helps with that
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Northern Ireland23371 Posts
On December 02 2024 00:00 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2024 23:54 darklycid wrote:
Look i didnt expect Nightmare to win or even take a map but holy fuck the protoss games this hsc have mostly been depressing af. I don't know what you were expecting but that looked pretty much exactly how a Clem vs Nightmare match looked in my head.
Clem has swept better Protoss players in bigger tournaments, aye can’t say this blew my mind
On December 02 2024 00:35 Zzzapper wrote:
3 clean 13-0 map scores going into the semis. I can't remember ever seeing this in a major tournament. Serral, Maru and Clem really are head and shoulders above every else right now. Although I suppose herO and Dark not playing helps with that
Yeah it’s pretty remarkable, they really are absolute monsters. Even in the history of HSC, a tourney which tends to have bigger gaps in field quality than most
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Are both semis on at the same time?
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