EPTOn December 02 2024 03:51 Sent. wrote:
Are you saying Heromarine is faster than Reynor?
Are you saying Heromarine is faster than Reynor?
Are you saying a reynor that is not playing sc2 is playing at the highest lvl?
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darklycid
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Are you saying a reynor that is not playing sc2 is playing at the highest lvl? | ||
Waxangel
United States33495 Posts
On December 02 2024 03:46 darklycid wrote: You dont agree that at the high lvl of tvz currently it just looks like the faster player wins? yah and that's the point of starcraft since 1998  condolences if you think that shouldn't be so, but have been forced to be a fan of the game for a decade because there's no alternative  | ||
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darklycid
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On December 02 2024 03:52 Waxangel wrote: yah and that's the point of starcraft since 1998 condolences if you think that shouldn't be so, but have been forced to be a fan of the game for a decade because there's no alternative I guess? Idk it felt like in the past there were opportunities but at the optimisation we are at right now it feels even more pronounced. | ||
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Zzzapper
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On December 02 2024 03:52 darklycid wrote: Are you saying a reynor that is not playing sc2 is playing at the highest lvl? Okay, so the highest level only consists of Serral, Clem and Maru. In that case I agree that the fastest player wins These categories of "the highest level" or "top tier pros" were ridiculous years ago when people decided that game balance should be based around top 10 players only (a sample way too small to conclude anything about balance vs. skill difference) and now I guess we're at a point were being a top 10 player isn't even enough to be at the highest level, you literally have to be one of these three guys | ||
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darklycid
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On December 02 2024 03:58 Zzzapper wrote: Okay, so the highest level only consists of Serral, Clem and Maru. In that case I agree that the fastest player wins These categories of "the highest level" or "top tier pros" were ridiculous years ago when people decided that game balance should be based around top 10 players only (a sample way too small to conclude anything about balance vs. skill difference) and now I guess we're at a point were being a top 10 player isn't even enough to be at the highest level, you literally have to be one of these three guys Reynor is at the highest lvl when he practises but not when he is playing lol and just went to korea (and not to practise). | ||
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Blitzball04
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Zzzapper
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On December 02 2024 03:59 darklycid wrote: Reynor is at the highest lvl when he practises but not when he is playing lol and just went to korea (and not to practise). My bad, here's my exhaustive list of top SC2 players: Clem Serral Maru Reynor when he practices a lot herO outside of important top4s (toss can't win here) MaxPax in online tournaments except when the stakes are high Dark if he weren't going to the military I believe that should be everyone, no? | ||
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Topin
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Harris1st
Germany7006 Posts
On December 02 2024 04:09 Zzzapper wrote: My bad, here's my exhaustive list of top SC2 players: Clem Serral Maru Reynor when he practices a lot herO outside of important top4s (toss can't win here) MaxPax in online tournaments except when the stakes are high Dark if he weren't going to the military I believe that should be everyone, no? Rogue when it's a Bo7 offline Oliveira when he is on a roll Zest when he is best | ||
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darklycid
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On December 02 2024 04:09 Zzzapper wrote: My bad, here's my exhaustive list of top SC2 players: Clem Serral Maru Reynor when he practices a lot herO outside of important top4s (toss can't win here) MaxPax in online tournaments except when the stakes are high Dark if he weren't going to the military I believe that should be everyone, no? I mean yea top is clem,maru,reynor,serral,herO (maxpax is a special case thats why i dont list him into this tier) dunno if we still wanna count dark. Then you have the players just below who can punch them but not consistently like cure, Byun, lately i'd put shin in here too and well maxpax outside of esl weeklies (solar struggles too much currently and rogue isnt fully back yet i feel). | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7006 Posts
On December 02 2024 04:17 Poopi wrote: Maru getting 3-0d by Serral, I am not surprised :/ Why would you be? Isnt this the Scoreline for like 3-4 years already? | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1244 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On December 02 2024 04:20 Harris1st wrote: Why would you be? Isnt this the Scoreline for like 3-4 years already? Since Clem has been beating Serral hard I figured Maru could, but he is probably too old/slow nowadays | ||
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jack_less
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tigera6
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On December 02 2024 04:28 Poopi wrote: Since Clem has been beating Serral hard I figured Maru could, but he is probably too old/slow nowadays Maru refuse to play the more aggressive style that prioritize army over economy, and his control just isnt great anymore. Like in game 3, he got a good harassments on Serral base, was slighly ahead on worker, and the army was pretty much equal. Then he did nothing aggressive for another 2-3 minutes, just turtling at home and build more CC, willingly giving map control to Serral doing the counter attack. Its just impossible to defend if you have no vision on the map, Maru keep living on the edge by reacting in the last minute just doesnt work. | ||
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darklycid
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darklycid
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26193 Posts
Is there a worse SC2 unit? Very minor point but why is the overlay not showing the map name this tourney like it usually does? | ||
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