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Northern Ireland23004 Posts
On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better.
Would you say he’s Gaetzkeeping?
I apologise for that thread, I really do. But it amused me and ultimately that’s what counts
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On November 22 2024 02:57 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Would you say he’s Gaetzkeeping? I apologise for that thread, I really do. But it amused me and ultimately that’s what counts
Good puns are always welcome for me 
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On November 22 2024 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:57 WombaT wrote:On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Would you say he’s Gaetzkeeping? I apologise for that thread, I really do. But it amused me and ultimately that’s what counts Good puns are always welcome for me
I have a note file full of every pun I’ve ever come up with over the years, which I unleashed on date number 3. My partner of now 3 years subsequently admitted that it almost convinced her to break up with me there and then, such was its horror.
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On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better.
Don't forget the child abuse that I condone too! Always a privilege to be "called out" by someone calling yet another person a rapist with no evidence despite years of investigation and no indictment let alone conviction. If I were savvy enough to notice a pattern it would serve to raise suspicions of some kind of overcompensation.
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On November 22 2024 00:51 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 00:16 Magic Powers wrote:On November 21 2024 23:43 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 20:22 Magic Powers wrote:On November 21 2024 16:28 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 11:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 21 2024 10:56 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 10:37 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 09:59 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 09:39 Fleetfeet wrote:
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Wait, so your argument is that progressives will try be progressive, and conservatives will stop that... and from that information it's clearly the progressives that give more fucks about sex and race because of the ideas they push, and conservatives don't care at all?
That obviously doesn't hold. It wouldn't be a 'war' if one side didn't give a fuck about the issues presented. It's a war BECAUSE both sides give a fuck about the issues presented. I didn't say conservatives are not participants in the culture war. I said they are mostly responding to the whacky shit from the left. I also said it's people on the left that are more obsessed with race. Here's one of my favorites that happened shortly after I moved to the SF Bay Area A gay dad volunteers for one of eight open slots on a parent committee that advises the school board. All of the 10 current members are straight moms. Three are white. Three are Latina. Two are Black. One is Tongan. They all want the dad to join them.
The seven school board members talk for two hours about whether the dad brings enough diversity. Yes, he’d be the only man. And the only LGBTQ representative. But he’d be the fourth white person in a district where 15% of students are white.
The gay dad never utters a single word. The board members do not ask the dad a single question before declining to approve him for the committee. They say they’ll consider allowing him to volunteer if he comes back with a slate of more diverse candidates, ideally including an Arab parent, a Native American parent, a Vietnamese parent and a Chinese parent who doesn’t speak English. It's like a sketch from Portlandia or South Park. The title of this article was "San Francisco’s school board is wasting time on ridiculous debates as students remain home." Because this happened when schools were still locked down from COVID. Apparently getting kids back into school was not high on the priority list. Instead they were too busy blocking white people from serving on parent committee's and trying to rename all of their schools because they were all racist or something like that. But then again everything is racist. Math is racist. Standardized testing is racist. According to the Chicago teacher's union, the push to reopen schools during COVID was rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny. To which conservatives replied, no it's rooted into wanting to provide children with an education. Damn those culture-warrior conservatives inflicting racism and sexism on people by wanting children to attend school! This is the culture war in a nutshell. Ignore mainstream opinion, and indeed rationales for certain positions, find a few egregious examples of some org somewhere or an individual doing something, then claim that’s it’s representative and thus worth railing against to the detriment of other issues. This doesn’t preclude valid critique of more mainstream, overarching ideas but one has to engage with the actual ideas rather than a caricature of them fed through the outrage machine So the Ivy League schools keeping standardized testing as optional in the wake of the post-George floyd racial justice movements is some fringe thing? These are some of the top universities in the whole world and I'm certain you've heard of them. Coca-Cola training it's staff to "be less white" is also fringe? Is Coca-cola not "mainstream" enough? Because I'm pretty sure I can go into almost any restaurant in the world and order one. Are the school boards of Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Portald etc fringe organizations? Those are some pretty well known cities. Are the Academy Awards setting racial quotas for movies to be considered for an Oscar another fringe example? The Oscars are pretty mainstream as well, no? Is the NCAA another fringe organization when the allowed a biological male to dominate women's swimming races? I'm sure you've heard of the NCAA as well. The list goes on and on... and on. The difference is I can give concrete examples from mainstream organizations endlessly and your gripe is with the unnamed Republicans that won't vote for a black woman. I have the Ivy League, Coca-Cola, the Oscars, the NCAA and you have Nick Fuentes, QAnon and MTG. Tell me who is more obsessed with the fringe. (this is more directed at the thread than you specifically) You're the one getting worked up over every little thing you seem to find. And by the measure of this thread, you're also by far the most obsessed with race. You're always on the ready to jump on anyone for insinuating that any issue under the sun might possibly involve the invocation of race as a factor and, by golly, are you ready to jump down their throats for it. It's you, buddy. I'm obsessed with race because I respond to the people constantly invoking race. Makes sense. In a society that has a fairly large amount of racism against black people but very little against white people, do you call it "constantly invoking race" to talk about the racism problem? One can still talk about race, badly, and that does get people’s backs up for sure. I can have some sympathy there, but it’s still inarguably a factor. However that can elicit a reaction in the complete opposite direction intended. By want of an analogy, some SC2 balance whiners are incredibly annoying, often outright wrong, and often very loud and prominent. It’s reasonable to conclude that some folks are obsessed with balance, and perhaps don’t know what they’re talking about, and find it irritating. Hell, I find that myself. One has to be careful not to go full reaction on it and conclude that these people are annoying lunatics, balance is perfect, why do people keep talking about balance? Or alternatively going, ‘balance isn’t perfect but it’ll get there, stop talking about it.’ The irritation and disagreement, perfectly reasonable, but it the behaviour of an extreme shouldn’t dictate one’s feelings on the actual issue(s) itself, and I think for many it does. I think the conservative backlash should motivate us to talk more, not less, about the prevalence and injustice of racism. The more it's being talked about, the more it enters the general consciousness. That's how major societal change is made over time. I myself used to be on the fence regarding the idea that Western societies such as the US are still very racist against minorities. That changed over time as I saw more and more examples of it, while seeing very few examples of anti-white racism. Right-wingers want us to shut up. That's why we won't shut up, instead we talk more. And when they cry about us talking more, we talk even more. We just keep talking, we dominate the discourse more and more over time until society changes. Oh absolutely, there are just good and bad ways to go around having those conversations. Least in my experience I spend as much time trying to undo the damage of people who chose bad approaches on the issues, as I do the issues themselves in these kind of conversations. It’s still something I’ll continue to do, but I think it’s also incumbent to criticise approaches that clearly don’t work and those who employ them as well. Also acknowledge the realities of intersectional identity in their totality. Over here for example white, working class Protestant males are an increasingly lagging demographic in terms of educational attainment and subsequent employment prospects. There are zero programs to uplift those guys, no targeted scholarships, no affirmative action programs with employers, etc etc They’re somewhat shafted between being white dudes from the demographic that was historically dominant here, in a world that is trying to redress that dominance, while also suffering from general socio-economic deprivation at the other end of that scale. I’m from that community myself, albeit from a lower middle class background. There’s nout for me either, even with a mental health condition most outreach in the industry I’m trying to get into is uplifting women or BAME folks. I’m not Catholic, so institutions that are trying to equalise representation on that axis will prioritise folks on that basis. Now, I’m not against those kind of programs either, I think they’re overall necessary. One thing you can’t say to that cohort is banging on that they’re privileged because well, what privilege?
Actually very valid points, I agree with all of that.
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Northern Ireland23004 Posts
Very odd to think of it, did Marjorie the Gathering do this?
It was only within the last few days she said ethics hearings and their findings should be made publicly transparent. Not that she has particular sway of course.
‘I’m ok with a sympathetic enquiry finding I’m ok to be AG, I’m really not fine with the wider populace hearing what I did’ springs to mind.
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Northern Ireland23004 Posts
On November 22 2024 03:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Don't forget the child abuse that I condone too! Always a privilege to be "called out" by someone calling yet another person a rapist with no evidence despite years of investigation and no indictment let alone conviction. If I were savvy enough to notice a pattern it would serve to raise suspicions of some kind of overcompensation.
What overcompensation?
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On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview.
If the best you have to offer is this dogshit take, then it's clear you care more about putting in effort to make sardonic jabs at people than at actually trying to understand what they're saying.
I get it though, I really do, if you have a hard time understanding the words, then it really does look like we're just changing letters around arbitrarily. Stay in school.
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On November 22 2024 03:04 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:57 WombaT wrote:On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Would you say he’s Gaetzkeeping? I apologise for that thread, I really do. But it amused me and ultimately that’s what counts Good puns are always welcome for me I have a note file full of every pun I’ve ever come up with over the years, which I unleashed on date number 3.
That means you're a keeper!
My partner of now 3 years subsequently admitted that it almost convinced her to break up with me there and then, such was its horror.
But she stayed strong, and that means she's a keeper, too!
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On November 22 2024 03:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Don't forget the child abuse that I condone too!
Uh, okay.
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On November 22 2024 03:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 03:04 WombaT wrote:On November 22 2024 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:57 WombaT wrote:On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Would you say he’s Gaetzkeeping? I apologise for that thread, I really do. But it amused me and ultimately that’s what counts Good puns are always welcome for me I have a note file full of every pun I’ve ever come up with over the years, which I unleashed on date number 3. That means you're a keeper! Show nested quote +My partner of now 3 years subsequently admitted that it almost convinced her to break up with me there and then, such was its horror. But she stayed strong, and that means she's a keeper, too!
A keeper or a hostage suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, some of them are outright horrific. On the plus side I got to meet one of my favourite comics who is noted for horrific puns after a gig and I threw him one and I got a ‘you know, that isn’t half bad’ so I shall continue on my merry way
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On November 22 2024 02:16 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2024 18:11 Timebon3s wrote:On November 21 2024 11:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 21 2024 10:56 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 10:37 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 09:59 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 09:39 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 08:52 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 08:19 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 07:46 KwarK wrote:
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I agree with literally none of this. Quite generous by your standards. The whole genesis of the ‘Culture WarTM’ is folks looking at things and either concluding that prejudice is largely non-existent, or does but attempting to redress it even through asinine measures is somehow more egregious than courting it. This doesn’t preclude someone like me looking at a story like that and thinking it’s asinine either. People are willing to meet in the middle, or even a moderated version of what they believe but do you even try to do that BlackJack? I already explained why it’s pointless to “meet in the middle.” There’s never going to be agreement. If you’re a progressive that agrees with conservatives then you’re not really a progressive, are you? Wait, so your argument is that progressives will try be progressive, and conservatives will stop that... and from that information it's clearly the progressives that give more fucks about sex and race because of the ideas they push, and conservatives don't care at all? That obviously doesn't hold. It wouldn't be a 'war' if one side didn't give a fuck about the issues presented. It's a war BECAUSE both sides give a fuck about the issues presented. I didn't say conservatives are not participants in the culture war. I said they are mostly responding to the whacky shit from the left. I also said it's people on the left that are more obsessed with race. Here's one of my favorites that happened shortly after I moved to the SF Bay Area A gay dad volunteers for one of eight open slots on a parent committee that advises the school board. All of the 10 current members are straight moms. Three are white. Three are Latina. Two are Black. One is Tongan. They all want the dad to join them.
The seven school board members talk for two hours about whether the dad brings enough diversity. Yes, he’d be the only man. And the only LGBTQ representative. But he’d be the fourth white person in a district where 15% of students are white.
The gay dad never utters a single word. The board members do not ask the dad a single question before declining to approve him for the committee. They say they’ll consider allowing him to volunteer if he comes back with a slate of more diverse candidates, ideally including an Arab parent, a Native American parent, a Vietnamese parent and a Chinese parent who doesn’t speak English. It's like a sketch from Portlandia or South Park. The title of this article was "San Francisco’s school board is wasting time on ridiculous debates as students remain home." Because this happened when schools were still locked down from COVID. Apparently getting kids back into school was not high on the priority list. Instead they were too busy blocking white people from serving on parent committee's and trying to rename all of their schools because they were all racist or something like that. But then again everything is racist. Math is racist. Standardized testing is racist. According to the Chicago teacher's union, the push to reopen schools during COVID was rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny. To which conservatives replied, no it's rooted into wanting to provide children with an education. Damn those culture-warrior conservatives inflicting racism and sexism on people by wanting children to attend school! This is the culture war in a nutshell. Ignore mainstream opinion, and indeed rationales for certain positions, find a few egregious examples of some org somewhere or an individual doing something, then claim that’s it’s representative and thus worth railing against to the detriment of other issues. This doesn’t preclude valid critique of more mainstream, overarching ideas but one has to engage with the actual ideas rather than a caricature of them fed through the outrage machine So the Ivy League schools keeping standardized testing as optional in the wake of the post-George floyd racial justice movements is some fringe thing? These are some of the top universities in the whole world and I'm certain you've heard of them. Coca-Cola training it's staff to "be less white" is also fringe? Is Coca-cola not "mainstream" enough? Because I'm pretty sure I can go into almost any restaurant in the world and order one. Are the school boards of Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Portald etc fringe organizations? Those are some pretty well known cities. Are the Academy Awards setting racial quotas for movies to be considered for an Oscar another fringe example? The Oscars are pretty mainstream as well, no? Is the NCAA another fringe organization when the allowed a biological male to dominate women's swimming races? I'm sure you've heard of the NCAA as well. The list goes on and on... and on. The difference is I can give concrete examples from mainstream organizations endlessly and your gripe is with the unnamed Republicans that won't vote for a black woman. I have the Ivy League, Coca-Cola, the Oscars, the NCAA and you have Nick Fuentes, QAnon and MTG. Tell me who is more obsessed with the fringe. (this is more directed at the thread than you specifically) I can definitively say: you. You're the one digging around for fringe examples of dumb shit to get yourself riled up, then you come storming into this thread in a huff basically ready to punch anyone who doesn't do enough for your taste to disavow the crazy thing you got worked up over. And when you actually stop for long enough to see what people actually think, people more often than not don't care to defend the thing you're campaigning against? Because you're citing stuff specifically because it makes you angry. I asked you like 4 times to cite your damn source when you were railing against the fake Z cup thing, and someone else still had to dig up the article instead of you. You just wanted to be angry, and you came in guns blazing expecting everyone to already know wtf you're talking about and expecting them to agree with you. You're the one getting worked up over every little thing you seem to find. And by the measure of this thread, you're also by far the most obsessed with race. You're always on the ready to jump on anyone for insinuating that any issue under the sun might possibly involve the invocation of race as a factor and, by golly, are you ready to jump down their throats for it. It's you, buddy. Losing the election because of race isn't a "little thing" though. And that is what some democrats in this thread claims. Despite the fact that Obama won twice. " Oh but that is different!". No it isnt. Obama won and got reelected. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. It isn't about race or gender, it's about politics. This is what seems so incredibly hard for the left to grasp, because they just can't help themselves. Why offer such absolutes? It's just Kwark (as far as I remember) offering a similar absolute of it just being race and gender. Everyone else seems to fall in to "It's a factor" which seems like it very well could be considering the country's history with sexism and racism.
I never said just race and gender impacted it. Any of a hundred factors could have made the difference in various combinations. But running a black woman as a candidate against Trump was an own goal.
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On November 22 2024 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 03:10 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:43 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). I'd bet any amount of money that Trump could sex-traffic minors and still at least win the Republican primary. On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy. Between your excuses for both Trump and Gaetz, it's... uh... interesting to see your consistent sympathy for rapists. It must be so convenient to just be able to swap out the letters c and p and be able to describe everyone you oppose, every single time, and be right every single time. Wish I could find such an easymode worldview. Wow, what a garbage take. I don't understand why you think opposing rapists and racists should be a difficult worldview. I don't talk about Gaetz much (obviously he's relevant right now), but I've gone into serious depth about all the issues I have with Trump, and they don't just reduce to him being a racist and a rapist. But I guess if you dismiss all the other legitimate issues we have with Trump and Gaetz - and I guess if you also condone rape and racism - then I could totally see why you would like them and simply hand-wave statutory rape as Gaetz "getting thrown under the bus". Poor Gaetz!!! Won't somebody please think of the children rapists? Do better. Don't forget the child abuse that I condone too! Uh, okay.
I know its not a gotcha to agree with what the person is accusing you of.
Speaking of condoning child abuse its really weird to want to nominate someone whos under investigation for covering up child abuse to oversee the system that deals almost exclusively with children.
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United States41556 Posts
On November 22 2024 02:33 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:29 Luolis wrote:On November 22 2024 02:27 oBlade wrote:Gaetz has withdrawn from AG consideration probably due to private news of stonewallers in the senate who couldn't get past the Biden DOJ's extensive smear attempts. https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1859649045553402285 Dont sex traffick minors and you wont get into trouble (not that Gaetz even got into any trouble lmao). Hope people give you a better shake the day you ever get thrown under the bus buddy.
This is the kind of thing that could happen to any of us who trafficked minors across state lines for sex.
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Northern Ireland23004 Posts
On November 22 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 02:16 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 18:11 Timebon3s wrote:On November 21 2024 11:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 21 2024 10:56 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 10:37 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 09:59 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 09:39 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 08:52 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 08:19 WombaT wrote:
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Quite generous by your standards.
The whole genesis of the ‘Culture WarTM’ is folks looking at things and either concluding that prejudice is largely non-existent, or does but attempting to redress it even through asinine measures is somehow more egregious than courting it.
This doesn’t preclude someone like me looking at a story like that and thinking it’s asinine either.
People are willing to meet in the middle, or even a moderated version of what they believe but do you even try to do that BlackJack?
I already explained why it’s pointless to “meet in the middle.” There’s never going to be agreement. If you’re a progressive that agrees with conservatives then you’re not really a progressive, are you? Wait, so your argument is that progressives will try be progressive, and conservatives will stop that... and from that information it's clearly the progressives that give more fucks about sex and race because of the ideas they push, and conservatives don't care at all? That obviously doesn't hold. It wouldn't be a 'war' if one side didn't give a fuck about the issues presented. It's a war BECAUSE both sides give a fuck about the issues presented. I didn't say conservatives are not participants in the culture war. I said they are mostly responding to the whacky shit from the left. I also said it's people on the left that are more obsessed with race. Here's one of my favorites that happened shortly after I moved to the SF Bay Area A gay dad volunteers for one of eight open slots on a parent committee that advises the school board. All of the 10 current members are straight moms. Three are white. Three are Latina. Two are Black. One is Tongan. They all want the dad to join them.
The seven school board members talk for two hours about whether the dad brings enough diversity. Yes, he’d be the only man. And the only LGBTQ representative. But he’d be the fourth white person in a district where 15% of students are white.
The gay dad never utters a single word. The board members do not ask the dad a single question before declining to approve him for the committee. They say they’ll consider allowing him to volunteer if he comes back with a slate of more diverse candidates, ideally including an Arab parent, a Native American parent, a Vietnamese parent and a Chinese parent who doesn’t speak English. It's like a sketch from Portlandia or South Park. The title of this article was "San Francisco’s school board is wasting time on ridiculous debates as students remain home." Because this happened when schools were still locked down from COVID. Apparently getting kids back into school was not high on the priority list. Instead they were too busy blocking white people from serving on parent committee's and trying to rename all of their schools because they were all racist or something like that. But then again everything is racist. Math is racist. Standardized testing is racist. According to the Chicago teacher's union, the push to reopen schools during COVID was rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny. To which conservatives replied, no it's rooted into wanting to provide children with an education. Damn those culture-warrior conservatives inflicting racism and sexism on people by wanting children to attend school! This is the culture war in a nutshell. Ignore mainstream opinion, and indeed rationales for certain positions, find a few egregious examples of some org somewhere or an individual doing something, then claim that’s it’s representative and thus worth railing against to the detriment of other issues. This doesn’t preclude valid critique of more mainstream, overarching ideas but one has to engage with the actual ideas rather than a caricature of them fed through the outrage machine So the Ivy League schools keeping standardized testing as optional in the wake of the post-George floyd racial justice movements is some fringe thing? These are some of the top universities in the whole world and I'm certain you've heard of them. Coca-Cola training it's staff to "be less white" is also fringe? Is Coca-cola not "mainstream" enough? Because I'm pretty sure I can go into almost any restaurant in the world and order one. Are the school boards of Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Portald etc fringe organizations? Those are some pretty well known cities. Are the Academy Awards setting racial quotas for movies to be considered for an Oscar another fringe example? The Oscars are pretty mainstream as well, no? Is the NCAA another fringe organization when the allowed a biological male to dominate women's swimming races? I'm sure you've heard of the NCAA as well. The list goes on and on... and on. The difference is I can give concrete examples from mainstream organizations endlessly and your gripe is with the unnamed Republicans that won't vote for a black woman. I have the Ivy League, Coca-Cola, the Oscars, the NCAA and you have Nick Fuentes, QAnon and MTG. Tell me who is more obsessed with the fringe. (this is more directed at the thread than you specifically) I can definitively say: you. You're the one digging around for fringe examples of dumb shit to get yourself riled up, then you come storming into this thread in a huff basically ready to punch anyone who doesn't do enough for your taste to disavow the crazy thing you got worked up over. And when you actually stop for long enough to see what people actually think, people more often than not don't care to defend the thing you're campaigning against? Because you're citing stuff specifically because it makes you angry. I asked you like 4 times to cite your damn source when you were railing against the fake Z cup thing, and someone else still had to dig up the article instead of you. You just wanted to be angry, and you came in guns blazing expecting everyone to already know wtf you're talking about and expecting them to agree with you. You're the one getting worked up over every little thing you seem to find. And by the measure of this thread, you're also by far the most obsessed with race. You're always on the ready to jump on anyone for insinuating that any issue under the sun might possibly involve the invocation of race as a factor and, by golly, are you ready to jump down their throats for it. It's you, buddy. Losing the election because of race isn't a "little thing" though. And that is what some democrats in this thread claims. Despite the fact that Obama won twice. " Oh but that is different!". No it isnt. Obama won and got reelected. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. It isn't about race or gender, it's about politics. This is what seems so incredibly hard for the left to grasp, because they just can't help themselves. Why offer such absolutes? It's just Kwark (as far as I remember) offering a similar absolute of it just being race and gender. Everyone else seems to fall in to "It's a factor" which seems like it very well could be considering the country's history with sexism and racism. I never said just race and gender impacted it. Any of a hundred factors could have made the difference in various combinations. But running a block woman as a candidate against Trump was an own goal.
A block woman? We gotta Lego of our prejudices…
Hopefully the thread don’t attempt to track me down and beat me to death for that.
Maybe Trump just wins regardless of who you throw out. I thought Harris did OK, not amazingly, not Obama in terms of charisma, but alright
Who is the alternative candidate that you can throw out? Who’s waiting in the wings?
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On November 22 2024 03:57 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 22 2024 02:16 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 18:11 Timebon3s wrote:On November 21 2024 11:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 21 2024 10:56 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 10:37 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 09:59 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 09:39 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 08:52 BlackJack wrote:
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I already explained why it’s pointless to “meet in the middle.” There’s never going to be agreement. If you’re a progressive that agrees with conservatives then you’re not really a progressive, are you? Wait, so your argument is that progressives will try be progressive, and conservatives will stop that... and from that information it's clearly the progressives that give more fucks about sex and race because of the ideas they push, and conservatives don't care at all? That obviously doesn't hold. It wouldn't be a 'war' if one side didn't give a fuck about the issues presented. It's a war BECAUSE both sides give a fuck about the issues presented. I didn't say conservatives are not participants in the culture war. I said they are mostly responding to the whacky shit from the left. I also said it's people on the left that are more obsessed with race. Here's one of my favorites that happened shortly after I moved to the SF Bay Area A gay dad volunteers for one of eight open slots on a parent committee that advises the school board. All of the 10 current members are straight moms. Three are white. Three are Latina. Two are Black. One is Tongan. They all want the dad to join them.
The seven school board members talk for two hours about whether the dad brings enough diversity. Yes, he’d be the only man. And the only LGBTQ representative. But he’d be the fourth white person in a district where 15% of students are white.
The gay dad never utters a single word. The board members do not ask the dad a single question before declining to approve him for the committee. They say they’ll consider allowing him to volunteer if he comes back with a slate of more diverse candidates, ideally including an Arab parent, a Native American parent, a Vietnamese parent and a Chinese parent who doesn’t speak English. It's like a sketch from Portlandia or South Park. The title of this article was "San Francisco’s school board is wasting time on ridiculous debates as students remain home." Because this happened when schools were still locked down from COVID. Apparently getting kids back into school was not high on the priority list. Instead they were too busy blocking white people from serving on parent committee's and trying to rename all of their schools because they were all racist or something like that. But then again everything is racist. Math is racist. Standardized testing is racist. According to the Chicago teacher's union, the push to reopen schools during COVID was rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny. To which conservatives replied, no it's rooted into wanting to provide children with an education. Damn those culture-warrior conservatives inflicting racism and sexism on people by wanting children to attend school! This is the culture war in a nutshell. Ignore mainstream opinion, and indeed rationales for certain positions, find a few egregious examples of some org somewhere or an individual doing something, then claim that’s it’s representative and thus worth railing against to the detriment of other issues. This doesn’t preclude valid critique of more mainstream, overarching ideas but one has to engage with the actual ideas rather than a caricature of them fed through the outrage machine So the Ivy League schools keeping standardized testing as optional in the wake of the post-George floyd racial justice movements is some fringe thing? These are some of the top universities in the whole world and I'm certain you've heard of them. Coca-Cola training it's staff to "be less white" is also fringe? Is Coca-cola not "mainstream" enough? Because I'm pretty sure I can go into almost any restaurant in the world and order one. Are the school boards of Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Portald etc fringe organizations? Those are some pretty well known cities. Are the Academy Awards setting racial quotas for movies to be considered for an Oscar another fringe example? The Oscars are pretty mainstream as well, no? Is the NCAA another fringe organization when the allowed a biological male to dominate women's swimming races? I'm sure you've heard of the NCAA as well. The list goes on and on... and on. The difference is I can give concrete examples from mainstream organizations endlessly and your gripe is with the unnamed Republicans that won't vote for a black woman. I have the Ivy League, Coca-Cola, the Oscars, the NCAA and you have Nick Fuentes, QAnon and MTG. Tell me who is more obsessed with the fringe. (this is more directed at the thread than you specifically) I can definitively say: you. You're the one digging around for fringe examples of dumb shit to get yourself riled up, then you come storming into this thread in a huff basically ready to punch anyone who doesn't do enough for your taste to disavow the crazy thing you got worked up over. And when you actually stop for long enough to see what people actually think, people more often than not don't care to defend the thing you're campaigning against? Because you're citing stuff specifically because it makes you angry. I asked you like 4 times to cite your damn source when you were railing against the fake Z cup thing, and someone else still had to dig up the article instead of you. You just wanted to be angry, and you came in guns blazing expecting everyone to already know wtf you're talking about and expecting them to agree with you. You're the one getting worked up over every little thing you seem to find. And by the measure of this thread, you're also by far the most obsessed with race. You're always on the ready to jump on anyone for insinuating that any issue under the sun might possibly involve the invocation of race as a factor and, by golly, are you ready to jump down their throats for it. It's you, buddy. Losing the election because of race isn't a "little thing" though. And that is what some democrats in this thread claims. Despite the fact that Obama won twice. " Oh but that is different!". No it isnt. Obama won and got reelected. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. It isn't about race or gender, it's about politics. This is what seems so incredibly hard for the left to grasp, because they just can't help themselves. Why offer such absolutes? It's just Kwark (as far as I remember) offering a similar absolute of it just being race and gender. Everyone else seems to fall in to "It's a factor" which seems like it very well could be considering the country's history with sexism and racism. I never said just race and gender impacted it. Any of a hundred factors could have made the difference in various combinations. But running a block woman as a candidate against Trump was an own goal. A block woman? We gotta Lego of our prejudices…Hopefully the thread don’t attempt to track me down and beat me to death for that. Maybe Trump just wins regardless of who you throw out. I thought Harris did OK, not amazingly, not Obama in terms of charisma, but alright Who is the alternative candidate that you can throw out? Who’s waiting in the wings?
Honestly, it's the highlight of the last several dozen pages or so imo.
Michelle Obama could have won, maybe even with Barack as VP.
I think pretty much anyone would have beat Trump coming out of a real primary if Democrats/Biden had demanded one.
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What a coincidence
Ethics committee were told of second sexual encounter between Gaetz and 17-year-old – report
According to CNN, the woman who says she had sex when she was 17 years old with then-Representative Matt Gaetz told the House ethics committee that she had two sexual encounters with him at one party in 2017.
The CNN report cites unnamed sources, who claim that the second sexual encounter, not previously been reported, included another adult woman.
The network also states that after being asked for comment regarding the new allegations, the former representative announced that he was withdrawing from the attorney general nomination.
But hey, at least we can stop talking about such matters now that they're not "relevant" anymore
Representative Michael Guest, who chairs the House Ethics Committee, said that Gaetz’s withdrawal should end the discussion about whether the committee should “continue to move forward in this matter.”
I really hope the hacker goes full schadenfreude and leaks it now
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Northern Ireland23004 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 03:57 WombaT wrote:On November 22 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 22 2024 02:16 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 18:11 Timebon3s wrote:On November 21 2024 11:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 21 2024 10:56 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 10:37 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 09:59 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 09:39 Fleetfeet wrote:
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Wait, so your argument is that progressives will try be progressive, and conservatives will stop that... and from that information it's clearly the progressives that give more fucks about sex and race because of the ideas they push, and conservatives don't care at all?
That obviously doesn't hold. It wouldn't be a 'war' if one side didn't give a fuck about the issues presented. It's a war BECAUSE both sides give a fuck about the issues presented. I didn't say conservatives are not participants in the culture war. I said they are mostly responding to the whacky shit from the left. I also said it's people on the left that are more obsessed with race. Here's one of my favorites that happened shortly after I moved to the SF Bay Area A gay dad volunteers for one of eight open slots on a parent committee that advises the school board. All of the 10 current members are straight moms. Three are white. Three are Latina. Two are Black. One is Tongan. They all want the dad to join them.
The seven school board members talk for two hours about whether the dad brings enough diversity. Yes, he’d be the only man. And the only LGBTQ representative. But he’d be the fourth white person in a district where 15% of students are white.
The gay dad never utters a single word. The board members do not ask the dad a single question before declining to approve him for the committee. They say they’ll consider allowing him to volunteer if he comes back with a slate of more diverse candidates, ideally including an Arab parent, a Native American parent, a Vietnamese parent and a Chinese parent who doesn’t speak English. It's like a sketch from Portlandia or South Park. The title of this article was "San Francisco’s school board is wasting time on ridiculous debates as students remain home." Because this happened when schools were still locked down from COVID. Apparently getting kids back into school was not high on the priority list. Instead they were too busy blocking white people from serving on parent committee's and trying to rename all of their schools because they were all racist or something like that. But then again everything is racist. Math is racist. Standardized testing is racist. According to the Chicago teacher's union, the push to reopen schools during COVID was rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny. To which conservatives replied, no it's rooted into wanting to provide children with an education. Damn those culture-warrior conservatives inflicting racism and sexism on people by wanting children to attend school! This is the culture war in a nutshell. Ignore mainstream opinion, and indeed rationales for certain positions, find a few egregious examples of some org somewhere or an individual doing something, then claim that’s it’s representative and thus worth railing against to the detriment of other issues. This doesn’t preclude valid critique of more mainstream, overarching ideas but one has to engage with the actual ideas rather than a caricature of them fed through the outrage machine So the Ivy League schools keeping standardized testing as optional in the wake of the post-George floyd racial justice movements is some fringe thing? These are some of the top universities in the whole world and I'm certain you've heard of them. Coca-Cola training it's staff to "be less white" is also fringe? Is Coca-cola not "mainstream" enough? Because I'm pretty sure I can go into almost any restaurant in the world and order one. Are the school boards of Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Portald etc fringe organizations? Those are some pretty well known cities. Are the Academy Awards setting racial quotas for movies to be considered for an Oscar another fringe example? The Oscars are pretty mainstream as well, no? Is the NCAA another fringe organization when the allowed a biological male to dominate women's swimming races? I'm sure you've heard of the NCAA as well. The list goes on and on... and on. The difference is I can give concrete examples from mainstream organizations endlessly and your gripe is with the unnamed Republicans that won't vote for a black woman. I have the Ivy League, Coca-Cola, the Oscars, the NCAA and you have Nick Fuentes, QAnon and MTG. Tell me who is more obsessed with the fringe. (this is more directed at the thread than you specifically) I can definitively say: you. You're the one digging around for fringe examples of dumb shit to get yourself riled up, then you come storming into this thread in a huff basically ready to punch anyone who doesn't do enough for your taste to disavow the crazy thing you got worked up over. And when you actually stop for long enough to see what people actually think, people more often than not don't care to defend the thing you're campaigning against? Because you're citing stuff specifically because it makes you angry. I asked you like 4 times to cite your damn source when you were railing against the fake Z cup thing, and someone else still had to dig up the article instead of you. You just wanted to be angry, and you came in guns blazing expecting everyone to already know wtf you're talking about and expecting them to agree with you. You're the one getting worked up over every little thing you seem to find. And by the measure of this thread, you're also by far the most obsessed with race. You're always on the ready to jump on anyone for insinuating that any issue under the sun might possibly involve the invocation of race as a factor and, by golly, are you ready to jump down their throats for it. It's you, buddy. Losing the election because of race isn't a "little thing" though. And that is what some democrats in this thread claims. Despite the fact that Obama won twice. " Oh but that is different!". No it isnt. Obama won and got reelected. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. It isn't about race or gender, it's about politics. This is what seems so incredibly hard for the left to grasp, because they just can't help themselves. Why offer such absolutes? It's just Kwark (as far as I remember) offering a similar absolute of it just being race and gender. Everyone else seems to fall in to "It's a factor" which seems like it very well could be considering the country's history with sexism and racism. I never said just race and gender impacted it. Any of a hundred factors could have made the difference in various combinations. But running a block woman as a candidate against Trump was an own goal. A block woman? We gotta Lego of our prejudices…Hopefully the thread don’t attempt to track me down and beat me to death for that. Maybe Trump just wins regardless of who you throw out. I thought Harris did OK, not amazingly, not Obama in terms of charisma, but alright Who is the alternative candidate that you can throw out? Who’s waiting in the wings? Honestly, it's the highlight of the last several dozen pages or so imo. Michelle Obama could have won, maybe even with Barack as VP. I think pretty much anyone would have beat Trump coming out of a real primary if Democrats/Biden had demanded one.
Why thank you sir, I do try. Think it’s maybe the first time I’ve ever seen Kwark make a typo. Had to seize upon it.
I think Michelle Obama could potentially have carried it, crucially though she doesn’t want to try and has said so.
I think if we saw a real primary maybe Harris gets it, maybe it’s Pete Buttigieg, maybe it’s Gavin Newsom. I can’t really think of another candidate being anointed, and I think in the current political climate all 3 of those lose to Trump.
While I think having a proper primary instead of what we got might see some more enthusiasm, I’m just not sure it would be sufficient to actually win the election
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United States41556 Posts
On November 22 2024 04:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2024 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 22 2024 03:57 WombaT wrote:On November 22 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 22 2024 02:16 Fleetfeet wrote:On November 21 2024 18:11 Timebon3s wrote:On November 21 2024 11:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 21 2024 10:56 BlackJack wrote:On November 21 2024 10:37 WombaT wrote:On November 21 2024 09:59 BlackJack wrote:[quote] I didn't say conservatives are not participants in the culture war. I said they are mostly responding to the whacky shit from the left. I also said it's people on the left that are more obsessed with race. Here's one of my favorites that happened shortly after I moved to the SF Bay Area [quote] It's like a sketch from Portlandia or South Park. The title of this article was "San Francisco’s school board is wasting time on ridiculous debates as students remain home." Because this happened when schools were still locked down from COVID. Apparently getting kids back into school was not high on the priority list. Instead they were too busy blocking white people from serving on parent committee's and trying to rename all of their schools because they were all racist or something like that. But then again everything is racist. Math is racist. Standardized testing is racist. According to the Chicago teacher's union, the push to reopen schools during COVID was rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny. To which conservatives replied, no it's rooted into wanting to provide children with an education. Damn those culture-warrior conservatives inflicting racism and sexism on people by wanting children to attend school! This is the culture war in a nutshell. Ignore mainstream opinion, and indeed rationales for certain positions, find a few egregious examples of some org somewhere or an individual doing something, then claim that’s it’s representative and thus worth railing against to the detriment of other issues. This doesn’t preclude valid critique of more mainstream, overarching ideas but one has to engage with the actual ideas rather than a caricature of them fed through the outrage machine So the Ivy League schools keeping standardized testing as optional in the wake of the post-George floyd racial justice movements is some fringe thing? These are some of the top universities in the whole world and I'm certain you've heard of them. Coca-Cola training it's staff to "be less white" is also fringe? Is Coca-cola not "mainstream" enough? Because I'm pretty sure I can go into almost any restaurant in the world and order one. Are the school boards of Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Portald etc fringe organizations? Those are some pretty well known cities. Are the Academy Awards setting racial quotas for movies to be considered for an Oscar another fringe example? The Oscars are pretty mainstream as well, no? Is the NCAA another fringe organization when the allowed a biological male to dominate women's swimming races? I'm sure you've heard of the NCAA as well. The list goes on and on... and on. The difference is I can give concrete examples from mainstream organizations endlessly and your gripe is with the unnamed Republicans that won't vote for a black woman. I have the Ivy League, Coca-Cola, the Oscars, the NCAA and you have Nick Fuentes, QAnon and MTG. Tell me who is more obsessed with the fringe. (this is more directed at the thread than you specifically) I can definitively say: you. You're the one digging around for fringe examples of dumb shit to get yourself riled up, then you come storming into this thread in a huff basically ready to punch anyone who doesn't do enough for your taste to disavow the crazy thing you got worked up over. And when you actually stop for long enough to see what people actually think, people more often than not don't care to defend the thing you're campaigning against? Because you're citing stuff specifically because it makes you angry. I asked you like 4 times to cite your damn source when you were railing against the fake Z cup thing, and someone else still had to dig up the article instead of you. You just wanted to be angry, and you came in guns blazing expecting everyone to already know wtf you're talking about and expecting them to agree with you. You're the one getting worked up over every little thing you seem to find. And by the measure of this thread, you're also by far the most obsessed with race. You're always on the ready to jump on anyone for insinuating that any issue under the sun might possibly involve the invocation of race as a factor and, by golly, are you ready to jump down their throats for it. It's you, buddy. Losing the election because of race isn't a "little thing" though. And that is what some democrats in this thread claims. Despite the fact that Obama won twice. " Oh but that is different!". No it isnt. Obama won and got reelected. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. It isn't about race or gender, it's about politics. This is what seems so incredibly hard for the left to grasp, because they just can't help themselves. Why offer such absolutes? It's just Kwark (as far as I remember) offering a similar absolute of it just being race and gender. Everyone else seems to fall in to "It's a factor" which seems like it very well could be considering the country's history with sexism and racism. I never said just race and gender impacted it. Any of a hundred factors could have made the difference in various combinations. But running a block woman as a candidate against Trump was an own goal. A block woman? We gotta Lego of our prejudices…Hopefully the thread don’t attempt to track me down and beat me to death for that. Maybe Trump just wins regardless of who you throw out. I thought Harris did OK, not amazingly, not Obama in terms of charisma, but alright Who is the alternative candidate that you can throw out? Who’s waiting in the wings? Honestly, it's the highlight of the last several dozen pages or so imo. Michelle Obama could have won, maybe even with Barack as VP. I think pretty much anyone would have beat Trump coming out of a real primary if Democrats/Biden had demanded one. Why thank you sir, I do try. Think it’s maybe the first time I’ve ever seen Kwark make a typo. Had to seize upon it. I think Michelle Obama could potentially have carried it, crucially though she doesn’t want to try and has said so. I think if we saw a real primary maybe Harris gets it, maybe it’s Pete Buttigieg, maybe it’s Gavin Newsom. I can’t really think of another candidate being anointed, and I think in the current political climate all 3 of those lose to Trump. While I think having a proper primary instead of what we got might see some more enthusiasm, I’m just not sure it would be sufficient to actually win the election
I blame my phone for that one.
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I legitimately assumed it was intentional and just a reference I didn't understand.
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