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On September 12 2024 03:48 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. On our local news they sited a poll where she had a 4 point lead in Duval/Clay County.
I'm unfamiliar with most Florida counties. Do you think that poll might be representative of traditionally-red (rural?) regions flipping in Florida?
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On September 11 2024 20:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2024 20:42 BisuDagger wrote:On September 11 2024 20:34 Byo wrote:
I don't think voting Trump in hopes of this cabinet keeping him in check is sensible as we literally saw what happens with all the firings and revolving door. How many honest members do we still have that "stuck it out" for an extra 4?years just to battle it out for another 4. Sounds fairy taleish. I personally don't believe voting for his cabinet is reasonable, but that's the argument I here from other conservatives trying to justify voting for him even if they don't like him. As a fiscal conservative you should be voting Democrat. Look at the budget deficits from the last however many Presidents and notice how they go up under Republicans and come down under Democrats.
2024's projected budget deficit is only $2 trillion~. It's a fiscal conservatives' wet dream. /sarcasm. But Trump is not any better, I'll grant you that.
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On September 12 2024 03:48 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. On our local news they sited a poll where she had a 4 point lead in Duval/Clay County.
Duval went to Biden at +4 in 2020. In general Florida has moved more Red in the last 8 years (a state Obama carried twice). I think you need more than the evidence you are offering to conclude a shift is happening toward Harris
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On September 11 2024 22:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2024 22:41 Magic Powers wrote:On September 11 2024 22:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2024 22:15 Magic Powers wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? I remember Biden vs Trump was a close call initially, but shortly before the elections some people had deeper regional insight and were 100% convinced that he was going to win, while others were still predicting a close race. It turned out to be significantly in Biden's favor, which only became clear towards the very end of the elections when suddenly lots of fresh votes for Biden appeared (this immediately spurred claims of election interference by Trump voters). Trump was doing ok in the polls back then. He's not doing poorly this time, while Kamala has risen very dramatically and clearly overtaken Trump in just about every aspect. People are unsure about Kamala, but they really really dislike Trump. So while I can't give exact numbers, I can say these upcoming elections look even better than the ones before did for Biden. That's why I'm so convinced that Trump has no chance. Significantly in Biden's favour? Trump lost by ~43.000 votes. The popular vote gap can be a billion votes, it doesn't matter in the US. 43k votes in the right states and Trump would have been re-elected. Those are just the total votes, which is why people - including myself - thought it would be extremely close. People with deeper regional insight predicted a clear victory for Biden when everyone else was still unsure. There was one individual in particular (some person online, I'm no longer in that space) I spoke to during the election and I asked them how they could be so confident of a Biden victory, and they just said it was obvious due to the overall voter trend. I can't remember what those regions were, but if we look at the live map I'm sure I can show the clear Biden favored outcome towards the end of the election. Anyway, the point I'm making is that Kamala has even better odds than Biden did previously. It's completely over for Trump. GH has made a compelling case that outlines why Harris might not have "better odds than Biden did previously" (assuming you're referring to 2020 Biden, and not 2024 Biden two months ago), according to the comparison of 2020 polling trends to 2024 polling trends. Your last sentence is not supported by the data. Anyone could assert "It's completely over for Trump" or "It's completely over for Harris" and maybe they'll be right, but that level of confidence two months before the election is unjustified imo.
To this point, Kamala's lead has been slipping for about a week in the averages.
She avoided a performance that would speed it up imo, but we'll have to see over the next week or so whether it was enough to stop it or reverse it.
If she did well enough to reverse it that bodes well for her, if not, she's in trouble.
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On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments).
I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed.
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After being 3.X% for about a year, inflation is down to 2.5%, which is just about the conventionally ideal rate of ~2.0% ( https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/ ). Given the unique higher-than-average inflation rates from 2021-2023 due to the residual effects of the covid pandemic, would we be hoping that the inflation rate drops below 2% to "balance" things out (like decreasing towards the 1% rate), or would staying at the traditional 2% rate still be preferable?
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Thank god those corporations decided to stop being greedy
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On September 12 2024 06:54 BlackJack wrote:
Thank god those corporations decided to stop being greedy
It's just unfortunate situation that we are in. CEOs are beholden to BoD to beat revenue/earnings target every quarter. Who do these BoD report to ultimately? Shareholders. The irony of this situation is that we are also part of this shareholder group because we own some of these stocks via retirement portfolio. We all have our own little agenda to make gains for ourselves based on the situation we are in. I want these stocks to grow which means i indirectly want these corporations to increase prices, do layoffs, and etc (w.e it takes to stay competitive and out perform). It just sucks man
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On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed.
You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
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On September 12 2024 13:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed. You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
Disregarding the truth of your statement - what's your point?
Do you consider DPB to be of sufficient stature that him calling a convicted felon former president a rapist and criminal satisfies some sort of quid-pro-quo?
Are you concerned that DPB is trying to encourage and incite racism against... old white dudes... or some other subset of the populace that Trump fits in?
With your use of "infinitely" are you just really leaning on DPB's use of the word "all" and prepared to return with "Well he never said ALL hispanic immigrants. He said "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." which technically doesn't include all hispanic immigrants, he said some of them maybe are good people."
Otherwise I don't think DPB's been alive long enough to have said that thing infinitely more times than Trump.
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On September 12 2024 13:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed. You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
Faaaaaar from all Hispanics are criminals or anything of the sort. I even feel bad typing something so obvious.
On the other hand, Trump is a rapist, a criminal and a liar. These are plain facts.
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On September 12 2024 11:45 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 06:54 BlackJack wrote:
Thank god those corporations decided to stop being greedy It's just unfortunate situation that we are in. CEOs are beholden to BoD to beat revenue/earnings target every quarter. Who do these BoD report to ultimately? Shareholders. The irony of this situation is that we are also part of this shareholder group because we own some of these stocks via retirement portfolio. We all have our own little agenda to make gains for ourselves based on the situation we are in. I want these stocks to grow which means i indirectly want these corporations to increase prices, do layoffs, and etc (w.e it takes to stay competitive and out perform). It just sucks man
If you say so. My post was merely meant as a jab to people that bought the Democrat propaganda line that inflation is caused by corporate greed. As inflation is going down it must mean corporations are getting less greedy.
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On September 12 2024 13:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed. You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
I don't understand your point. Why are you literally pointing out that other tl poster is acting like trump? What's the point of this?
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On September 12 2024 13:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed. You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
Some Hispanics are probably criminals. Many are not.
Trump is a convicted criminal and held liable for sexual assault.
One is racism, the other is a fact.
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On September 12 2024 14:33 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 11:45 Shinokuki wrote:On September 12 2024 06:54 BlackJack wrote:
Thank god those corporations decided to stop being greedy It's just unfortunate situation that we are in. CEOs are beholden to BoD to beat revenue/earnings target every quarter. Who do these BoD report to ultimately? Shareholders. The irony of this situation is that we are also part of this shareholder group because we own some of these stocks via retirement portfolio. We all have our own little agenda to make gains for ourselves based on the situation we are in. I want these stocks to grow which means i indirectly want these corporations to increase prices, do layoffs, and etc (w.e it takes to stay competitive and out perform). It just sucks man If you say so. My post was merely meant as a jab to people that bought the Democrat propaganda line that inflation is caused by corporate greed. As inflation is going down it must mean corporations are getting less greedy.
Did people claim it was caused by corporate greed, or exacerbated by corporate greed - e.g. some companies took advantage of inflation to raise prices by more than inflation warranted? Cause I've seen many examples of the latter in Norway, where the owners of the biggest grocery store chains had a greater wealth increase during the period of highest inflation (and by a margin much higher than the inflation rate) than they've ever had before.
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On September 12 2024 13:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed. You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
Even though this is both untrue and irrelevant as people above pointed out, I think we can reach middle ground here and agree both DPB and Trump are unfit for the presidency. So nobody in this thread will vote for DPB or Trump for president!
+ Show Spoiler +sorry, DPB, I think you'd make a fine president but sacrifices have to be made.
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On September 12 2024 15:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 14:33 BlackJack wrote:On September 12 2024 11:45 Shinokuki wrote:On September 12 2024 06:54 BlackJack wrote:
Thank god those corporations decided to stop being greedy It's just unfortunate situation that we are in. CEOs are beholden to BoD to beat revenue/earnings target every quarter. Who do these BoD report to ultimately? Shareholders. The irony of this situation is that we are also part of this shareholder group because we own some of these stocks via retirement portfolio. We all have our own little agenda to make gains for ourselves based on the situation we are in. I want these stocks to grow which means i indirectly want these corporations to increase prices, do layoffs, and etc (w.e it takes to stay competitive and out perform). It just sucks man If you say so. My post was merely meant as a jab to people that bought the Democrat propaganda line that inflation is caused by corporate greed. As inflation is going down it must mean corporations are getting less greedy. Did people claim it was caused by corporate greed, or exacerbated by corporate greed - e.g. some companies took advantage of inflation to raise prices by more than inflation warranted? Cause I've seen many examples of the latter in Norway, where the owners of the biggest grocery store chains had a greater wealth increase during the period of highest inflation (and by a margin much higher than the inflation rate) than they've ever had before.
It was a deliberate attempt to shift the blame for inflation onto corporations and their greed because their polling indicated it was a winning strategy.
And the White House has been aggressively testing out the messaging on the airwaves and in internal polling ahead of Biden’s speech, according to two White House officials familiar with the matter, who were not authorized to speak on the issue and were granted anonymity to discuss internal conversations. Recent polling circulated within the White House has been favorable to Biden’s push to blast what he’s described on the campaign trail as “corporate greed” driving higher prices across a range of sectors.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/23/biden-food-shrinkflation-sotu-00142773
Now, some progressives are urging Mr. Biden to follow those senators’ lead and make “greedflation,” as they call it, a driving theme of his re-election bid. They say that taking the fight to big business could bolster the broader Main Street vs. Wall Street argument he is pursuing against former President Donald J. Trump, particularly with the working-class voters of color Mr. Biden needs to motivate. And they believe polls show voters are primed to hear the president condemn big corporations in more forceful terms.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/us/politics/biden-inflation-greedflation-economy.html
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On September 12 2024 13:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 12 2024 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 02:57 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2024 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2024 01:05 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 11 2024 21:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided.
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory.
I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? Hi, election guy back again. The real answer to this is, well it depends. Harris has actually shown some ground gained in North Carolina (and winning NC would spell disaster for the other states on the board like the Sun Belt). In reality, at the moment it's a coin flip on whether Harris will win the Sun Belt like Biden did. I have her favored in the Rust Belt. I think we're probably looking around the same electoral votes honestly. She might lose Georgia for North Carolina if anything, but I think with abortion being such a hot issue in Arizona, she's like to hold that state along with Nevada will still holding the Rust Belt. But that's just my inclinations right now. With regards to polls, it's not that Trump isn't performing well in them, in fact, he hasn't really LOST ground in the polls, but Harris has continued to eat into the undecided voters. For example, earlier in the race between Trump and Biden/Harris, he was around 47/48% while Biden/Harris were sort of stuck at the 44/45% in a lot of key states. Now, Harris has pulled ahead and polls are looking more like 48% Trump, 49% Harris. So Trump's support in independents and swing voters hasn't really improved, he's locked his base up, while Harris and the Dems have been going hard to fight for those middle voters who play the most crucial role in the election. I like that analysis, and I think it makes a lot of sense. There aren't many Republicans who have supported Trump for a decade and are now, suddenly, switching to Harris between August 2024 and September 2024 (why would they? because of Dick Cheney? lol). Trump's not really losing ground, but Harris is slightly gaining ground, because there is still a little more ground up for grabs. Hopefully, Trump doesn't gain the remainder of the up-for-grabs ground. You are wrong about this though. In the Jacksonville, Fl area which I reside, we are a purple area. Lots of conservatives I know would outright refuse to vote for Biden no matter what are now willing to vote for Kamala. We voted for a dem mayor after having a fantastic republican mayor that ran out of terms he can run, because the new republican candidate was a terrible human being. There seem to be a lot of open minded people in this region of the state. That's interesting! Florida doesn't seem to be particularly close ( https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/florida/trump-vs-harris ) but it would be pretty sweet if Harris somehow won your state anyway. Florida is for sure still in lean/likely R territory (I'd guess around 5-6 points at the moment) but it's not entirely out of play just yet. I'm honestly very curious how the whole illegal immigrants eating pets line is going to go down with a lot of the hispanic immigrant population in Florida considering that Trump and Republicans were targetting the Haitians (I know there's not entirely overlap between Haitians and Cubans for example but it'll be interesting to see if there's any backlash to those comments). I'm skeptical that there would be a lot of new backlash, given that Trump has been calling all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals for at least 8 years already, but maybe something has changed. You have personally called Trump a rapist and criminal over the past 8 years infinitely times more times than he has ever called all Hispanic immigrants rapists and murderers and criminals.
It seems everyone else has already responded to your ridiculous comparison with a variety of great posts, while I was sleeping, and I have nothing further to add... other than + Show Spoiler +
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On September 12 2024 16:22 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 15:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:On September 12 2024 14:33 BlackJack wrote:On September 12 2024 11:45 Shinokuki wrote:On September 12 2024 06:54 BlackJack wrote:
Thank god those corporations decided to stop being greedy It's just unfortunate situation that we are in. CEOs are beholden to BoD to beat revenue/earnings target every quarter. Who do these BoD report to ultimately? Shareholders. The irony of this situation is that we are also part of this shareholder group because we own some of these stocks via retirement portfolio. We all have our own little agenda to make gains for ourselves based on the situation we are in. I want these stocks to grow which means i indirectly want these corporations to increase prices, do layoffs, and etc (w.e it takes to stay competitive and out perform). It just sucks man If you say so. My post was merely meant as a jab to people that bought the Democrat propaganda line that inflation is caused by corporate greed. As inflation is going down it must mean corporations are getting less greedy. Did people claim it was caused by corporate greed, or exacerbated by corporate greed - e.g. some companies took advantage of inflation to raise prices by more than inflation warranted? Cause I've seen many examples of the latter in Norway, where the owners of the biggest grocery store chains had a greater wealth increase during the period of highest inflation (and by a margin much higher than the inflation rate) than they've ever had before. It was a deliberate attempt to shift the blame for inflation onto corporations and their greed because their polling indicated it was a winning strategy. Show nested quote +And the White House has been aggressively testing out the messaging on the airwaves and in internal polling ahead of Biden’s speech, according to two White House officials familiar with the matter, who were not authorized to speak on the issue and were granted anonymity to discuss internal conversations. Recent polling circulated within the White House has been favorable to Biden’s push to blast what he’s described on the campaign trail as “corporate greed” driving higher prices across a range of sectors. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/23/biden-food-shrinkflation-sotu-00142773Show nested quote +Now, some progressives are urging Mr. Biden to follow those senators’ lead and make “greedflation,” as they call it, a driving theme of his re-election bid. They say that taking the fight to big business could bolster the broader Main Street vs. Wall Street argument he is pursuing against former President Donald J. Trump, particularly with the working-class voters of color Mr. Biden needs to motivate. And they believe polls show voters are primed to hear the president condemn big corporations in more forceful terms. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/us/politics/biden-inflation-greedflation-economy.html
'Greedflation' as defined by increasing prices above inflation during an inflationary period to increase profit is a real thing and contributes to inflation. It also polls well. Both statements can be simultaneously true.
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Even though I do not agree with the practice and should be fined by governments if it's found out (audit the shit out of companies during times of crises please) - it's perfectly understandable.
Company: make as much money as possible. Can't do it via innovation/portfolio/stock/... ? Then do it when crises or some other opportunity presents itself.
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