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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2945 Posts
On September 11 2024 18:15 BlackJack wrote: Some people don't like Trump but they don't like drug traffickers and gangs from central America flooding into their cities even more I appreciate that Trump will put his signature to any document put in front of him by an aide and hence he can be plausibly a stand-in for any policy you like and you wouldn't be factually wrong in claiming that he would enact it. The problem with having a labradoodle as your commander in chief is that you are going to end up with an incoherent response to any issue. Enacting effective long-term policy requires a basic understanding of the subtleties which he simply does not have. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46490 Posts
On September 11 2024 12:30 Sermokala wrote: Biggest win on the night was harris picking up a public endorsement of Taylor swift right after. Wasn't 100% guaranteed this early or at all with her dating her conservative NFL boyfriend. The irony is that Taylor Swift's endorsement post on Instagram made it clear that the reason why she felt it was important to voice her opinion is because Donald Trump had been sharing fake, AI-generated images of Swift and her fans "supporting" Trump. Anti-fans of Swift complain about how she likes the attention, but Swift may have never actually gone public with her endorsement of Harris and Walz if Trump hadn't lied about Swift and her community in the first place. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
On September 11 2024 18:15 BlackJack wrote: Some people don't like Trump but they don't like drug traffickers and gangs from central America flooding into their cities even more Do these gangs also kidnap and eat cats to later get gender affirming surgeries once in jail? Oh and as is well known, it was Trump that made the Republicans kill the Border bill. He is plenty fine with immigration as is as long as it helps him rile up his army of sheep. But my point wasn't even about being pro Trump or not. My point is that if your still "undecided" after the last 10 years, after everything we know, your a plain moron and I wouldn't trust your judgement on anything ever. It's hard to imagine such people being able to choose what flavour of icecream to get. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 11 2024 18:33 Velr wrote: Do these gangs also kidnap and eat cats to later get gender affirming surgeries once in jail? No | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46490 Posts
On September 11 2024 12:22 Introvert wrote: Didn't hear the end, but it seems like no one will learn anything new and the moderators were terrible. In the past, I didn't really have a great idea of what I'd like the moderators to do and not do in political debates, but I think last night's moderators did a very good job. Their questions were fair and worded forcefully for both candidates. They mostly stayed out of Trump's way and Harris's way, usually just speaking to ask another question or to re-ask the same question if it was completely ignored the first time. The very few times the moderators jumped in with a fact-check were when a candidate told a completely off-topic lie. Most of those irrelevant lies came from Trump and not Harris, which is why Republicans flipped out at the "unfair" moderation, when in reality the moderators were mostly correcting the one person who actually needed to be corrected. Trump could have just... not lied. The moderators also let Trump speak for longer than Harris, yet Harris still made better points, laid better traps for Trump, and clearly won the debate. | ||
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Slydie
2013 Posts
On September 11 2024 18:33 Velr wrote: Do these gangs also kidnap and eat cats to later get gender affirming surgeries once in jail? Oh and as is well known, it was Trump that made the Republicans kill the Border bill. He is plenty fine with immigration as is as long as it helps him rile up his army of sheep. But my point wasn't even about being pro Trump or not. My point is that if your still "undecided" after the last 10 years, after everything we know, your a plain moron and I wouldn't trust your judgement on anything ever. It's hard to imagine such people being able to choose what flavour of icecream to get. I don't think it is fair to call someone a moron for not knowing if they want to vote for Trump or not. Afaik, the battle is about people who might stay at home instead of voting, and there are more than enough of them to swing the election in either direction. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
And what actually could happen in the next 2 Months to finally give you the "kicker" for a yes or no? These are not serious people. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
You sure? I saw it on TV! | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
On September 11 2024 16:04 Velr wrote: I wonder how "special" someone needs to be to be undecided about Trump at this point. As a (non-republican fiscal) conservative who does not like Trump, here are the choices I hear from others similar to me: 1. Vote Trump for his Cabinet. Hope that the staff he puts into place is smart and fiscally conservative and that Trump doesn't f anything up while they go to work. 2. Vote Third Party out of a moral code that Trump sucks, but can't vote for a spending party like the Democrats 3. Vote Kamala to help ensure Trump doesn't win, but risk high government spending and increased federal control Historically, I've gone with point 2, but I'm really feeling good about Kamala and I think her debate last night was impactful in a very positive way for someone like me. Kamala opened the night talking about tax cuts and tax breaks, while Trump talked about tariffs. As a more independent sided person, this debate was really important for me. | ||
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Byo
Canada212 Posts
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Byo
Canada212 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22638 Posts
Way to many of the somewhat competent people in Trumps cabinet have come out to say that Trump should not be President NEW YORK (AP) — Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper has called him a “threat to democracy.” Former national security adviser John Bolton has declared him “unfit to be president.” And former Vice President Mike Pence has declined to endorse him, citing “profound differences.” As Donald Trump seeks the presidency for a third time, he is being vigorously opposed by a vocal contingent of former officials who are stridently warning against his return to power and offering dire predictions for the country and the rule of law if his campaign succeeds. As for point 2. History clearly shows Democrats are consistently better for the deficit then Republicans. Republicans run up the deficit, Democrats try to reduce it. these are simple facts. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
On September 11 2024 20:34 Byo wrote: I don't think voting Trump in hopes of this cabinet keeping him in check is sensible as we literally saw what happens with all the firings and revolving door. How many honest members do we still have that "stuck it out" for an extra 4?years just to battle it out for another 4. Sounds fairy taleish. I personally don't believe voting for his cabinet is reasonable, but that's the argument I here from other conservatives trying to justify voting for him even if they don't like him. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5872 Posts
On September 11 2024 20:24 BisuDagger wrote: As a (non-republican fiscal) conservative who does not like Trump, here are the choices I hear from others similar to me: 1. Vote Trump for his Cabinet. Hope that the staff he puts into place is smart and fiscally conservative and that Trump doesn't f anything up while they go to work. 2. Vote Third Party out of a moral code that Trump sucks, but can't vote for a spending party like the Democrats 3. Vote Kamala to help ensure Trump doesn't win, but risk high government spending and increased federal control Historically, I've gone with point 2, but I'm really feeling good about Kamala and I think her debate last night was impactful in a very positive way for someone like me. Kamala opened the night talking about tax cuts and tax breaks, while Trump talked about tariffs. As a more independent sided person, this debate was really important for me. Most importantly, Trump seems to have no clue how tariffs work. He thinks that tariffs will somehow make the imports cheaper for the consumers... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22638 Posts
On September 11 2024 20:42 BisuDagger wrote: As a fiscal conservative you should be voting Democrat.I personally don't believe voting for his cabinet is reasonable, but that's the argument I here from other conservatives trying to justify voting for him even if they don't like him. Look at the budget deficits from the last however many Presidents and notice how they go up under Republicans and come down under Democrats. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory. I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46490 Posts
On September 11 2024 20:24 BisuDagger wrote: As a (non-republican fiscal) conservative who does not like Trump, here are the choices I hear from others similar to me: 1. Vote Trump for his Cabinet. Hope that the staff he puts into place is smart and fiscally conservative and that Trump doesn't f anything up while they go to work. 2. Vote Third Party out of a moral code that Trump sucks, but can't vote for a spending party like the Democrats 3. Vote Kamala to help ensure Trump doesn't win, but risk high government spending and increased federal control Historically, I've gone with point 2, but I'm really feeling good about Kamala and I think her debate last night was impactful in a very positive way for someone like me. Kamala opened the night talking about tax cuts and tax breaks, while Trump talked about tariffs. As a more independent sided person, this debate was really important for me. Thanks for sharing these insights! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46490 Posts
On September 11 2024 20:55 Magic Powers wrote: Trump lost this debate, not so much because Kamala necessarily gained further ground, but because he failed to give hope to his supporters. All of his talking points are tired. The Republican successes came from SCOTUS - which was just a lucky coincidence, it cannot be repeated. He failed to give women hope, so they won't vote for him any more now than they did before. If anything they're rapidly turning against him as reality sinks in after years of oppression. Trump has no grand plan for women other than to oppress them further, and they're feeling it. No better future, no better life. And - political differences aside - husbands tend to side with their wives, because why wouldn't they? Marriage lasts forever, but political ideology can be discarded almost at a whim. Trump is losing on that front. He also lost more of the black vote. The white male demographic? They're undecided. This is why this debate favored Kamala. She's rising in the polls, and Trump completely failed to change anything about his own trajectory. I'm now firmly predicting a landslide victory for Kamala. Trump is dunzo. Do you think Harris will earn more electoral votes than Biden did in 2020 (he received 306)? What number do you think Harris will reach? | ||
KwarK
United States44355 Posts
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