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On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote:
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.
My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.
I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.
I hope I did not forget anyone.
Say what!?!?!
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On June 13 2023 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu, you ol' messenger i summon thee!!!
What do you think Slam's alignment is, and can you give some reasoning behind the read please?
Troll objective.
As may have gathered. I give myself handicaps cause style before victory and the host give me handicaps cause I'm just awesome at thus game.
Anyways. Troll objective is to have Slam, Chez, and TTT toward end game. Then we kill TTT.
That's why the list us the way it is. Rayn and Vivax entertains me, so they live for now.
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On June 13 2023 04:01 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu, you ol' messenger i summon thee!!!
What do you think Slam's alignment is, and can you give some reasoning behind the read please? Troll objective. As may have gathered. I give myself handicaps cause style before victory and the host give me handicaps cause I'm just awesome at thus game. Anyways. Troll objective is to have Slam, Chez, and TTT toward end game. Then we kill TTT. That's why the list us the way it is. Rayn and Vivax entertains me, so they live for now.
Thanks !
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Rayn and Vivax makes such a great team that Chez doesn't want to lynch them.
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I’ve finished reading. Game isn’t very clear to me but I will post my thoughts after dinner.
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Can’t believe after so long not having played with Hapa I basically didn’t get to play with him. I blame him.
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On June 13 2023 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
Can’t believe after so long not having played with Hapa I basically didn’t get to play with him. I blame him.
Yeah Hapa you heard it
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Marv ? Are you still partying...Marv ?
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So:
LS - town, uncounterclaimed tracker, longer filter in less than half the time of last game. Emotionally congruent? 
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.
The rest is where it gets tricky.
Slam and Chez both seem to be playing similarly to last game. What that means for their alignment this game is anyone’s guess.
TTT’s play also has a lot of similarities to last game and at some point I thought he was pretty town for it. There’s something around how he’s treating Copcake this game vs me last game that I find suspicious though. Apparently last game he was happy to tunnel me to shit and tell me how poorly I was playing if town, seemingly purely based on his interpretation of other people’s interpretation of my play (?!). This game where he apparently has legit in game reasons to scumread CC, the tunnel is way more… gentle. Feels a marked difference. Something about the Hapa kill too (yes wifom)
rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something
Copcake I read as somewhat town for holding up to the pressure early game. I did agree with whoever said that there is a lack of alignment-finding-out-ness about her play, but then I think about some of my past games when I’ve been under a lot of pressure and I sometimes fall into the trap of just defending, defending, defending.
Vayo, bleh. Could obviously easily be mafia, probs in the same way some/all of you think I might be mafia in this spot.
MZ… I don’t disagree with the general analysis that MZ’s play feels similar to last game. But, ya know, townplay thay gets you lynched d1 (sorry about that) isn’t terribly hard to mimic either. I agree very much with what rayn said about MZ at the lynch. As an aside, I read a bunch of his past games last game, and he does just seem to be more aggressive now than he used to be.
Tldr; tomorrow I need to filter the bottom 3, and I need to interact more with the two above that.
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On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something
How can you say this? I genuinely and single handedly lead the lynch on DMB.
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I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.
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Just think this is all in your wheelhouse as maf, rayn.
Assuming you are town here, obvs this is my fault for not being here to talk to you, which is where I normally derive my strong reads on you from.
All I can say is I read about 40 pages in one go and DP stood out to me as a bigger driver than you (although you got your lynch!)
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On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.
Pish
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On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.
Maybe we should lynch him then lol.
I‘m currently genuinely unwilling of looking at Slam/Chez as a team.
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On June 13 2023 05:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead. Maybe we should lynch him then lol. I‘m currently genuinely unwilling of looking at Slam/Chez as a team.
It would be tremendously tricky if they were.
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Does nobody really see all the problems in this post?
On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.
I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.
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On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Does nobody really see all the problems in this post? Show nested quote +On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.
I‘m with you on that one.
Unironically
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Idr if it was on obvs or in game but someone mentioned that rayn is “less agressive”/“passive”, or something like that and is because his style changed and because he rolled town, I strongly believe is the same here.
He doesn’t need to shit up the thread to have control or give direction to his reads.
There is also the DP eotd thing, I don’t think mafia rayn would share that, unless they are mafia together but that is not probable, considering that both of them could have easily misslynch me.
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On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Does nobody really see all the problems in this post? Show nested quote +On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.
100% is super high, so my curiosity is piqued
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On June 13 2023 05:51 CopCake wrote:
Idr if it was on obvs or in game but someone mentioned that rayn is “less agressive”/“passive”, or something like that and is because his style changed and because he rolled town, I strongly believe is the same here.
He doesn’t need to shit up the thread to have control or give direction to his reads.
There is also the DP eotd thing, I don’t think mafia rayn would share that, unless they are mafia together but that is not probable, considering that both of them could have easily misslynch me.
I don't know about the first part but the second part is definitely true. Only times i have huge problems as mafia is when i am "inactive" longer times. That's why my activity doesn't tell anything about my alignment, i play when ever i can play, and even more so as mafia since if i can control the thread from the beginning it both gives me better options for mislynches and also makes me look more town.
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