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On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
Double down means he wants it even more now
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On June 13 2023 05:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Does nobody really see all the problems in this post? On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post. 100% is super high, so my curiosity is piqued
You'll have to wait until tomorrow morning though, since i need to work too, and it's gonna take time to put everything together.
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Btw Vayoletta have you caught up?
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On June 13 2023 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:54 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Does nobody really see all the problems in this post? On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post. 100% is super high, so my curiosity is piqued You'll have to wait until tomorrow morning though, since i need to work too, and it's gonna take time to put everything together.
It’s my bedtime imminently anyway, long day at work also and trying to read 800 posts in a go. Really does not give the same feel as playing along in real time… D:
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On June 13 2023 05:56 CopCake wrote:
Btw Vayoletta have you caught up?
Pls
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On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:So: LS - town, uncounterclaimed tracker, longer filter in less than half the time of last game. Emotionally congruent?  DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine. The rest is where it gets tricky. Slam and Chez both seem to be playing similarly to last game. What that means for their alignment this game is anyone’s guess. TTT’s play also has a lot of similarities to last game and at some point I thought he was pretty town for it. There’s something around how he’s treating Copcake this game vs me last game that I find suspicious though. Apparently last game he was happy to tunnel me to shit and tell me how poorly I was playing if town, seemingly purely based on his interpretation of other people’s interpretation of my play (?!). This game where he apparently has legit in game reasons to scumread CC, the tunnel is way more… gentle. Feels a marked difference. Something about the Hapa kill too (yes wifom) rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something Copcake I read as somewhat town for holding up to the pressure early game. I did agree with whoever said that there is a lack of alignment-finding-out-ness about her play, but then I think about some of my past games when I’ve been under a lot of pressure and I sometimes fall into the trap of just defending, defending, defending. Vayo, bleh. Could obviously easily be mafia, probs in the same way some/all of you think I might be mafia in this spot. MZ… I don’t disagree with the general analysis that MZ’s play feels similar to last game. But, ya know, townplay thay gets you lynched d1 (sorry about that) isn’t terribly hard to mimic either. I agree very much with what rayn said about MZ at the lynch. As an aside, I read a bunch of his past games last game, and he does just seem to be more aggressive now than he used to be. Tldr; tomorrow I need to filter the bottom 3, and I need to interact more with the two above that.
While I don’t agree with some of the reads, I like this post in terms of a town Marv.
The copcake defence argument is not good imo because she basically manufactured the fighting and was the aggressor the majority of the time: so not really an excuse for town cc to not be finding mafia.
your rayn read is spot on. still don’t want to lynch him though.
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On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.
What do you mean by this?
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On June 13 2023 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 00:49 Chezinu wrote:On June 13 2023 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 12 2023 22:50 CopCake wrote:On June 12 2023 22:48 DarthPunk wrote:On June 12 2023 22:47 CopCake wrote:On June 12 2023 11:11 Chezinu wrote:
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Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh
marvellosity
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TankTopTiger - saved for endgame with Slam ————- What does that even mean? he is not calling anyone anything there. Top people tend to be town, and the deeper, the scummier, that is how most people do lists here. On June 12 2023 22:52 DarthPunk wrote:
It seems like you are incredibly conscious of any, even remote suspicion towards you.
This is also a classic mafia trait, more focused on suspicion towards you than determining the alignment of others.
You can't be fucking serious DP? Everyone probably understood that list post,... People misunderstood the list. That was me putting people in possible Mafia group. TTT was last cause Slam gotz to kill TTT last. Okay. Too bad, then i have to retract from my townread on you because it would be a good reads ost.
Why was that a good read post? I find it hilarious that you swore at me for how dumb I was not understanding it as a basic list post and then it wasn’t.
I’m getting quite good at interpreting slam and chez at this point.
So I’m willing to say if I don’t understand something clearly it’s not obvious.
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On June 13 2023 06:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead. What do you mean by this?
I would have put myself into a position where i find a scumread on you and get you lynched, then argued my way out of it later, just because why not. Then i would shoot marv because marv has like 10x better eye for figuring me out than Hapa and after all i looooooove bullshitting Hapa when i am mafia, it's pretty much the only thing i take genuine pleasure in when i am mafia.
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DP, I understand what you’re saying about Copcake and the aggression, but defence -> offence is all part of the same emotional sweep.
I don’t want to lynch rayn either. There’s just a high threshold for me to townread a player like rayn (ie one that thinks similarly to me). So it’s either a pretty hard townread or I’m a wary marv.
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On June 13 2023 04:09 marvellosity wrote:
I’ve finished reading. Game isn’t very clear to me but I will post my thoughts after dinner.
I like this because I feel the same.
I wonder if mafia Marv finds something to bite at.
Honestly I’m just town reading Marv at this point for actually coming back and reading the game properly.
Not sure he could be bothered as maf
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I would be offended but tbh it’s at least somewhat valid, which I’m a bit ashamed about
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On June 13 2023 06:07 marvellosity wrote:
DP, I understand what you’re saying about Copcake and the aggression, but defence -> offence is all part of the same emotional sweep.
I don’t want to lynch rayn either. There’s just a high threshold for me to townread a player like rayn (ie one that thinks similarly to me). So it’s either a pretty hard townread or I’m a wary marv.
Yeah I know exactly where you are coming from with Rayn.
It’s not about the emotions though. It’s about a lack of curiosity because of a tunnel she created, that allowed her to post 6 pages and not look for mafia. Like she seemed to focus on me incredibly early day one and never looked back.
The impetus for that seems more like looking for a tunnel to shut up the thread with and play active. than forming one naturally based on information and trying to determine alignments.
If you have the appetite at some point read her first posts of the game, she asks me for reads and basically never lets go.
It’s fucking weird.
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On June 13 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 06:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead. What do you mean by this? I would have put myself into a position where i find a scumread on you and get you lynched, then argued my way out of it later, just because why not. Then i would shoot marv because marv has like 10x better eye for figuring me out than Hapa and after all i looooooove bullshitting Hapa when i am mafia, it's pretty much the only thing i take genuine pleasure in when i am mafia.
Hahaha you actually sound excited about this scenario.
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On June 13 2023 05:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Does nobody really see all the problems in this post? On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post. 100% is super high, so my curiosity is piqued
Agree
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On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch
Even the last part?
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On June 13 2023 06:34 Vivax wrote:
DP aka MD ?
Nah that was dmb
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On June 13 2023 06:37 DarthPunk wrote:Nah that was dmb
Many layers
And the lawyer died first
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On June 13 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2023 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
Think I’m missing something with the Slam townreads as I can’t differentiate his play so much from last game so far. Short answer from my part would be he seems more "happy" than last game. Doesn’t feel like much?
Well I kinda came home to an empty apartment so, yeah a bit put out after the initial time period
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