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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:53 GMT
#1441
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 23:54 GMT
#1442
On June 13 2023 08:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.

I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.

Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).

I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.


If you are town you will need to defend yourself and also look for scum, its hard but it is what it is.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 23:54 GMT
#1443
On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.


it wasn't just a policy lynch tho.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:56 GMT
#1444
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 12 2023 23:58 GMT
#1445
On June 13 2023 08:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 08:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.

I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.

Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).

I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.


If you are town you will need to defend yourself and also look for scum, its hard but it is what it is.


Sometimes I read CC as CopCake and other times I think of Counter Claim. I'm not sure who to cc on this message so I posting this publicly here on this thread.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:59 GMT
#1446
In your mind it wasn't, in mine it was. They wouldn't give us any information, so to me they're a lurker.

My lynching history: VE (active), LS (active), Marv (active), Slam (by this point active), DMB (active).

I'm pretty sure last game I said something along the lines of "I haven't even read [long list of inactive player]".
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:03 GMT
#1447
Trying to find out where I am at in the game, these are my very loose positions as of right now.

Green:

Marv, Rayn, DP, Vivax, Slam, LS


Green Brown:

Chez, MZ

Red Brown:

TTT, Copcake,

Red:

Vayoletta,

Somehow I feel like there might be a Mafia in the green group but I don't know who that would be at this point.

I really am not sure why there would be no mafia on my wagon day 1 and Vivax, LS and DMB are all town, so even though CC is looking better to me, how likely that 4 townies are on my wagon and mafia don't jump on?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:05 GMT
#1448
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
June 13 2023 00:05 GMT
#1449
Day Two Vote Count

marvellosity(1): Vivax
CopCake (0): DarthPunk

Not Voting (10): Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, DarthPunk, Chezinu, TankTopTiger, Vayoletta, CopCake, LightningStrike

With 1 vote, marvellosity is currently set to be lynched!

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:06 GMT
#1450
Vayo had given zero reads before lynch. When you say this wasn't policy I just don't believe you?

How do you build a case on nothing and consider that strong enough to compete with your reads?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 13 2023 00:06 GMT
#1451
On June 13 2023 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Trying to find out where I am at in the game, these are my very loose positions as of right now.

Green:

Marv, Rayn, DP, Vivax, Slam, LS


Green Brown:

Chez, MZ

Red Brown:

TTT, Copcake,

Red:

Vayoletta,

Somehow I feel like there might be a Mafia in the green group but I don't know who that would be at this point.

I really am not sure why there would be no mafia on my wagon day 1 and Vivax, LS and DMB are all town, so even though CC is looking better to me, how likely that 4 townies are on my wagon and mafia don't jump on?


Now that is what I call BEAUTIFUL!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:07 GMT
#1452
What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?

Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:12 GMT
#1453
On June 13 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?

Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?


I already posted it. But basically in the two posts she made she was alluding to having reads while posting absolutely nothing.

Also if you are town you are probably undervaluing town reads and not lynching into them.

The thing that struck me was your hard no to a Vayo lynch, when there were very few good options, and your lack of urgency in finding an alternative to an increasingly obvious mislynch.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 13 2023 00:14 GMT
#1454
VAYO, CC, TTT
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:19 GMT
#1455
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.


What did you mean by this TTT?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 13 2023 00:21 GMT
#1456
WE WIN!!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 00:21 GMT
#1457
On June 13 2023 09:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.

Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:31 GMT
#1458
On June 13 2023 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 09:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.

Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.


Disagree, if TTT is scum with vayoletta, he would absolutely position himself against policy lynches to protect them getting flipped day one.

That is exactly the kind of play I would expect from him.

But its associative so not that important right now.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 00:36 GMT
#1459
Yes but you have absolutely no way of figuring out if that's the case or if he genuinely dislikes policy lynches. Unless you can ofc find a game(s) where he is pro-policy lynches, then you'd have an argument.
table for two on a tv tray
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:37 GMT
#1460
On June 13 2023 09:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.


What did you mean by this TTT?


I meant that you get no information from the lynch, meaning you only get information that scum team give you from NK. Essentially, you give away all town agency leaving only mafia agency.
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