• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:28
CEST 15:28
KST 22:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!17Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)84Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!18
StarCraft 2
General
August World Ranking Watchlist: Serral back to #1? How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
Animated Gateway BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion HORROR STARCRAFT MOVIE How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9316 users

TL Endures Mafia II - Page 73

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 71 72 73 74 75 140 Next
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:53 GMT
#1441
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 23:54 GMT
#1442
On June 13 2023 08:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.

I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.

Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).

I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.


If you are town you will need to defend yourself and also look for scum, its hard but it is what it is.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 23:54 GMT
#1443
On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.


it wasn't just a policy lynch tho.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:56 GMT
#1444
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 12 2023 23:58 GMT
#1445
On June 13 2023 08:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 08:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.

I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.

Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).

I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.


If you are town you will need to defend yourself and also look for scum, its hard but it is what it is.


Sometimes I read CC as CopCake and other times I think of Counter Claim. I'm not sure who to cc on this message so I posting this publicly here on this thread.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:59 GMT
#1446
In your mind it wasn't, in mine it was. They wouldn't give us any information, so to me they're a lurker.

My lynching history: VE (active), LS (active), Marv (active), Slam (by this point active), DMB (active).

I'm pretty sure last game I said something along the lines of "I haven't even read [long list of inactive player]".
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:03 GMT
#1447
Trying to find out where I am at in the game, these are my very loose positions as of right now.

Green:

Marv, Rayn, DP, Vivax, Slam, LS


Green Brown:

Chez, MZ

Red Brown:

TTT, Copcake,

Red:

Vayoletta,

Somehow I feel like there might be a Mafia in the green group but I don't know who that would be at this point.

I really am not sure why there would be no mafia on my wagon day 1 and Vivax, LS and DMB are all town, so even though CC is looking better to me, how likely that 4 townies are on my wagon and mafia don't jump on?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:05 GMT
#1448
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
June 13 2023 00:05 GMT
#1449
Day Two Vote Count

marvellosity(1): Vivax
CopCake (0): DarthPunk

Not Voting (10): Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, DarthPunk, Chezinu, TankTopTiger, Vayoletta, CopCake, LightningStrike

With 1 vote, marvellosity is currently set to be lynched!

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:06 GMT
#1450
Vayo had given zero reads before lynch. When you say this wasn't policy I just don't believe you?

How do you build a case on nothing and consider that strong enough to compete with your reads?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 13 2023 00:06 GMT
#1451
On June 13 2023 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Trying to find out where I am at in the game, these are my very loose positions as of right now.

Green:

Marv, Rayn, DP, Vivax, Slam, LS


Green Brown:

Chez, MZ

Red Brown:

TTT, Copcake,

Red:

Vayoletta,

Somehow I feel like there might be a Mafia in the green group but I don't know who that would be at this point.

I really am not sure why there would be no mafia on my wagon day 1 and Vivax, LS and DMB are all town, so even though CC is looking better to me, how likely that 4 townies are on my wagon and mafia don't jump on?


Now that is what I call BEAUTIFUL!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:07 GMT
#1452
What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?

Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:12 GMT
#1453
On June 13 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?

Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?


I already posted it. But basically in the two posts she made she was alluding to having reads while posting absolutely nothing.

Also if you are town you are probably undervaluing town reads and not lynching into them.

The thing that struck me was your hard no to a Vayo lynch, when there were very few good options, and your lack of urgency in finding an alternative to an increasingly obvious mislynch.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 13 2023 00:14 GMT
#1454
VAYO, CC, TTT
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:19 GMT
#1455
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.


What did you mean by this TTT?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 13 2023 00:21 GMT
#1456
WE WIN!!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 00:21 GMT
#1457
On June 13 2023 09:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.

Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:31 GMT
#1458
On June 13 2023 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 09:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.

Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.


Disagree, if TTT is scum with vayoletta, he would absolutely position himself against policy lynches to protect them getting flipped day one.

That is exactly the kind of play I would expect from him.

But its associative so not that important right now.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 00:36 GMT
#1459
Yes but you have absolutely no way of figuring out if that's the case or if he genuinely dislikes policy lynches. Unless you can ofc find a game(s) where he is pro-policy lynches, then you'd have an argument.
table for two on a tv tray
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:37 GMT
#1460
On June 13 2023 09:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.


What did you mean by this TTT?


I meant that you get no information from the lynch, meaning you only get information that scum team give you from NK. Essentially, you give away all town agency leaving only mafia agency.
Prev 1 71 72 73 74 75 140 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
2026 Week 16
IntoTheiNu 1461
WardiTV627
RotterdaM569
Ryung 397
TKL 204
Rex126
SteadfastSC125
EnkiAlexander 27
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 569
Ryung 397
TKL 204
Rex 126
SteadfastSC 125
BRAT_OK 40
trigger 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4262
Rain 2953
Jaedong 1556
Horang2 1148
firebathero 1011
BeSt 547
EffOrt 474
Light 381
Soulkey 356
Rush 252
[ Show more ]
Snow 244
Stork 238
ggaemo 235
hero 231
ZerO 224
Soma 213
Dewaltoss 146
Zeus 145
Last 137
Hyun 124
Leta 106
Mong 93
Pusan 81
Killer 78
sorry 70
NaDa 55
[sc1f]eonzerg 49
ToSsGirL 42
Movie 30
JulyZerg 27
JYJ 25
GoRush 23
Nal_rA 22
yabsab 21
Aegong 21
Sexy 20
Hm[arnc] 17
Sacsri 15
Yoon 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Noble 12
Rock 11
zelot 8
Terrorterran 7
Dota 2
qojqva1005
XcaliburYe237
syndereN77
League of Legends
KnowMe29
Counter-Strike
fl0m2808
Other Games
FrodaN3859
B2W.Neo765
Lowko601
hiko597
Mlord367
uThermal253
Liquid`LucifroN181
Pyrionflax153
ArmadaUGS111
ToD73
Trikslyr36
CosmosSc2 27
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 11
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2424
• WagamamaTV341
League of Legends
• Nemesis1668
• Stunt607
• TFBlade402
Upcoming Events
OSC
10h 32m
CrankTV Team League
21h 32m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
CrankTV Team League
1d 21h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Online Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-21
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.