On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.
His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^
I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how.
Nope. One person in our group has it (irl-group) but we haven't had time to play it (we have combined ~300 different board games i think )
On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.
His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^
I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how.
Nope. One person in our group has it (irl-group) but we haven't had time to play it (we have combined ~300 different board games i think )
Awesome! I played twilight imperium for my birthday with 6 players. We spent 13 hours and didn’t get closed to finishing.
My biggest fear is that both of you and marv are mafia. It's not impossible given how marv treats you <-> me. I don't understand how you are "more townie" than i am, since we have had basically same reads aside from Cake. You having been more "thread boss" shouldn't mean shit.
On June 11 2023 10:21 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm not sure what to think. I just compared her filters, and she was a lot more aggressive even after Vivax died than she is now (you were correct, my vibe was way off). This looks bad for her I agree.
She says she hasn't got time for the game, but the type of aggression she was doing last game was not time-consuming. It was more like knee-jerk guttural suspicion. Her lists look similar, but she no longer feels like she's trying to figure out the game. She was never ginger about her accusations. So I think your initial reasoning was sound.
As for the Vivax+DNB voteswitching, it being uncoordinated could just mean Vivax town. Would she have made that decision if she knew Vivax was switching? Nah.
I'm not voting Vayo. It's a policy lynch in all be the most technical sense. Even if they're red we get no info.
But we would have killed mafia which is the point of the game?
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.
I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.
Rayn is green.
LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.
I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.
Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.
You said CC is stale but how is it your firmest read when you say you're thinking mafia are more passive?
Let's put all the policy lynch stuff from D1 aside, would you vote Vayoletta today after the last 36+ hours of thread progression?
- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh) - Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects) - Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason) - LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum) - Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how) - Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)
Not sure, could murder:
Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ
Want to murder:
DP, TTT
How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points.
Ok I don't disagree with you.
Your posts are structurally almost identical to the last game but something still feels a little off to me and I think it's because you're still stuck on CopCake who I've been mostly green on so far and I feel like you're dancing around calling vayoletta scum even though you were one of the leading reasons that lynch never got off the ground. I think if you spent more time on your other reads and less time on CC I'd be more inclined to townread you again but until then it feels like you're using the CC tunnel to deflect/avoid other reads.
I don't think I want to lynch you today. I want you to help me lynch Vayoletta
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.
I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.
Rayn is green.
LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.
I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.
Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.
You said CC is stale but how is it your firmest read when you say you're thinking mafia are more passive?
Let's put all the policy lynch stuff from D1 aside, would you vote Vayoletta today after the last 36+ hours of thread progression?
- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh) - Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects) - Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason) - LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum) - Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how) - Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)
Not sure, could murder:
Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ
Want to murder:
DP, TTT
How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points.
Ok I don't disagree with you.
Your posts are structurally almost identical to the last game but something still feels a little off to me and I think it's because you're still stuck on CopCake who I've been mostly green on so far and I feel like you're dancing around calling vayoletta scum even though you were one of the leading reasons that lynch never got off the ground. I think if you spent more time on your other reads and less time on CC I'd be more inclined to townread you again but until then it feels like you're using the CC tunnel to deflect/avoid other reads.
I don't think I want to lynch you today. I want you to help me lynch Vayoletta
On June 13 2023 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Does this post agree with itself TTT?
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.
I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.
Rayn is green.
LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.
I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.
Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.
You said CC is stale but how is it your firmest read when you say you're thinking mafia are more passive?
Let's put all the policy lynch stuff from D1 aside, would you vote Vayoletta today after the last 36+ hours of thread progression?
On June 12 2023 16:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 11 2023 03:33 Vivax wrote: Probably town:
- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh) - Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects) - Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason) - LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum) - Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how) - Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)
Not sure, could murder:
Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ
Want to murder:
DP, TTT
How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points.
Ok I don't disagree with you.
Your posts are structurally almost identical to the last game but something still feels a little off to me and I think it's because you're still stuck on CopCake who I've been mostly green on so far and I feel like you're dancing around calling vayoletta scum even though you were one of the leading reasons that lynch never got off the ground. I think if you spent more time on your other reads and less time on CC I'd be more inclined to townread you again but until then it feels like you're using the CC tunnel to deflect/avoid other reads.
I don't think I want to lynch you today. I want you to help me lynch Vayoletta
On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote: Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.
My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.
I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.
I hope I did not forget anyone.
Say what!?!?!
On June 13 2023 08:53 Chezinu wrote: OK. time to series. seriously. Let start a keto diet. Step 1. Eliminate carbs.
Now, you just need to argue how your are the cop guarding the cake and preventing us from eating it. Then other may argue that there is no cake and that the cake is a lie. But others will say it just matters what is on the inside. Then I'll be like. I love strawberry cake.. raspberries... cherries...
On June 13 2023 09:14 Chezinu wrote: VAYO, CC, TTT
This progression is fucking wild Chez. You start with don't lynch Vayo bc they said they'd be AFK. You posted this at 7:42 TL Time. Vayoletta did say two days prior that they were going to be busy on the first day... but then came back and said they were catching up here:
On June 11 2023 04:25 Vayoletta wrote: I have had like the busiest weekend ever sitting pretty and drinkin vegan soy cafe latte at the edge of the town. Now it’s my time to walk into the centre with my fancy state of the art stiletto heels and proclaim Alakaslam vibes town to me. I put on my curved sunglasses as I look at the bright monitor once again, hoping to get beyond page 7 before the day ends.
That's 3 hours before your post that Vayoletta said they were coming back to the thread. Maybe a little TMI from a mafia QT? Who knows but it's odd you would defend them for being AFK when they had already come back to the thread and started posting.
Then you said slam was town Then vayoletta said slam was town and you were on her PoE list Then you voted CopCake Then you called Vayoletta scum with CC and TTT.
That whole progression on vayoletta is something. As is the scumread of DP which you dropped and your sudden vote on CC.
I don't think I've fully solved everything but I'm pretty sure if we start lynching into Vayoletta/Chez/TTT we're going to hit at least one scum.
On June 13 2023 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Does this post agree with itself TTT?
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.
I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.
Rayn is green.
LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.
I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.
Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.
You said CC is stale but how is it your firmest read when you say you're thinking mafia are more passive?
Let's put all the policy lynch stuff from D1 aside, would you vote Vayoletta today after the last 36+ hours of thread progression?
On June 12 2023 16:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 11 2023 03:33 Vivax wrote: Probably town:
- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh) - Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects) - Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason) - LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum) - Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how) - Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)
Not sure, could murder:
Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ
Want to murder:
DP, TTT
How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points.
Ok I don't disagree with you.
Your posts are structurally almost identical to the last game but something still feels a little off to me and I think it's because you're still stuck on CopCake who I've been mostly green on so far and I feel like you're dancing around calling vayoletta scum even though you were one of the leading reasons that lynch never got off the ground. I think if you spent more time on your other reads and less time on CC I'd be more inclined to townread you again but until then it feels like you're using the CC tunnel to deflect/avoid other reads.
I don't think I want to lynch you today. I want you to help me lynch Vayoletta
This is the way.
After Vayoletta you and TTT can enter the thunderdome for who gets lynched next.
On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote: Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.
My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.
I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.
Now, you just need to argue how your are the cop guarding the cake and preventing us from eating it. Then other may argue that there is no cake and that the cake is a lie. But others will say it just matters what is on the inside. Then I'll be like. I love strawberry cake.. raspberries... cherries...
On June 13 2023 09:14 Chezinu wrote: VAYO, CC, TTT
This progression is fucking wild Chez. You start with don't lynch Vayo bc they said they'd be AFK. You posted this at 7:42 TL Time. Vayoletta did say two days prior that they were going to be busy on the first day... but then came back and said they were catching up here:
On June 11 2023 04:25 Vayoletta wrote: I have had like the busiest weekend ever sitting pretty and drinkin vegan soy cafe latte at the edge of the town. Now it’s my time to walk into the centre with my fancy state of the art stiletto heels and proclaim Alakaslam vibes town to me. I put on my curved sunglasses as I look at the bright monitor once again, hoping to get beyond page 7 before the day ends.
That's 3 hours before your post that Vayoletta said they were coming back to the thread. Maybe a little TMI from a mafia QT? Who knows but it's odd you would defend them for being AFK when they had already come back to the thread and started posting.
Then you said slam was town Then vayoletta said slam was town and you were on her PoE list Then you voted CopCake Then you called Vayoletta scum with CC and TTT.
That whole progression on vayoletta is something. As is the scumread of DP which you dropped and your sudden vote on CC.
I don't think I've fully solved everything but I'm pretty sure if we start lynching into Vayoletta/Chez/TTT we're going to hit at least one scum.
I like this. About the bolded slam in Vay's post. How can you give Slam a townread, but Chez a null read!?!?!.
On June 13 2023 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Does this post agree with itself TTT?
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.
I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.
Rayn is green.
LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.
I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.
Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.
You said CC is stale but how is it your firmest read when you say you're thinking mafia are more passive?
Let's put all the policy lynch stuff from D1 aside, would you vote Vayoletta today after the last 36+ hours of thread progression?
On June 12 2023 16:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 11 2023 03:33 Vivax wrote: Probably town:
- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh) - Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects) - Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason) - LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum) - Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how) - Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)
Not sure, could murder:
Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ
Want to murder:
DP, TTT
How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points.
Ok I don't disagree with you.
Your posts are structurally almost identical to the last game but something still feels a little off to me and I think it's because you're still stuck on CopCake who I've been mostly green on so far and I feel like you're dancing around calling vayoletta scum even though you were one of the leading reasons that lynch never got off the ground. I think if you spent more time on your other reads and less time on CC I'd be more inclined to townread you again but until then it feels like you're using the CC tunnel to deflect/avoid other reads.
I don't think I want to lynch you today. I want you to help me lynch Vayoletta
This is the way.
After Vayoletta you and TTT can enter the thunderdome for who gets lynched next.
On June 11 2023 20:20 Vivax wrote: I dreamed tonight that I saw a manificent fox approach from the balcony while laying on a lawn of grass with dmb. It climbed down a tree, jumped past us and got into the flat.
Inside the house, no red fox anywhere other young foxes of different colors who were hiding under pieces of furniture. The first to run past bit DMB in the big toe, so I started grabbing whatever I could and hunting them down, but their number kept proliferating at an alarming rate before I woke up.
On June 13 2023 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: My biggest fear is that both of you and marv are mafia. It's not impossible given how marv treats you <-> me. I don't understand how you are "more townie" than i am, since we have had basically same reads aside from Cake. You having been more "thread boss" shouldn't mean shit.
You actually just seem less townie than last game. I had basically the same read as Marv on this. Last game you put posted me but this game I am edging you out by pages.
I’m not saying you are mafia here but I can understand how you look less town than your usual standard.
Also marvs read on me is heavily derived from the eod stuff as is yours.
The paranoia makes me feel better about you though.
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