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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:42 GMT
#1461
Mmmm I think in my first games I might have been pro-policy lynching because I didn't understand the reasons it was bad. Not sure if those are under spaghetticus or no.

DP you've seen me explain this stuff as town much more recently in werewolf in A52.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 13 2023 00:51 GMT
#1462
Nevermind my Chezinu read, it is useless and bad, I just remembered he doesn’t kill girls so it doesn’t work.

Marv is the other mafia.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 13 2023 00:51 GMT
#1463
I am sorry Chezinu!!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 00:56 GMT
#1464
On June 13 2023 09:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Mmmm I think in my first games I might have been pro-policy lynching because I didn't understand the reasons it was bad. Not sure if those are under spaghetticus or no.

DP you've seen me explain this stuff as town much more recently in werewolf in A52.


if I recall correctly that was around no-lynching not policy lynching. Policy lynching isn't a thing in IRL mafia, because everyone is right there.

You can see why i View this is a weird position to take right?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2023 01:04 GMT
#1465
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2023 01:07 GMT
#1466
On June 13 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 13 2023 09:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.


Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.

But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.

Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.


Disagree, if TTT is scum with vayoletta, he would absolutely position himself against policy lynches to protect them getting flipped day one.

That is exactly the kind of play I would expect from him.

But its associative so not that important right now.

I'm agreeing with this line of thinking
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 13 2023 01:11 GMT
#1467
Finally, people are looking at me. Thanks for the attention!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 01:14 GMT
#1468
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.


Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2023 01:19 GMT
#1469
On June 13 2023 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.


Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?

I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2023 01:21 GMT
#1470
I also just reread Vivax and actually found myself nodding along to a lot of it. His filter is a lot more coherent than I was expecting and I am no longer townreading TTT in the slightest. He's null at best now.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 01:22 GMT
#1471
On June 13 2023 10:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.


Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?

I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.


I think you missed a reason, Hapa is a strong town player and would , become correct.

I don't place much stock into NK analysis because it is so easily manipulated by mafia.


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2023 01:25 GMT
#1472
On June 13 2023 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 10:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 13 2023 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.


Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?

I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.


I think you missed a reason, Hapa is a strong town player and would , become correct.

I don't place much stock into NK analysis because it is so easily manipulated by mafia.



That's true but you could say the same for people like Marv, Rayn, or Vivax. If scum was going to kill anyone on potential I'd have to imagine they'd need a reason to differentiate amongst the potentially strong town players in this game.

I'm not going to sit here and say we should lynch Chez based on the NK but I do think it's worth looking back and what Hapa said.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2023 01:35 GMT
#1473
On June 13 2023 10:11 Chezinu wrote:
Finally, people are looking at me. Thanks for the attention!!

Are you still scum reading DP?
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 01:36 GMT
#1474
On June 13 2023 10:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 10:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 13 2023 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.


Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?

I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.


I think you missed a reason, Hapa is a strong town player and would , become correct.

I don't place much stock into NK analysis because it is so easily manipulated by mafia.



That's true but you could say the same for people like Marv, Rayn, or Vivax. If scum was going to kill anyone on potential I'd have to imagine they'd need a reason to differentiate amongst the potentially strong town players in this game.

I'm not going to sit here and say we should lynch Chez based on the NK but I do think it's worth looking back and what Hapa said.


Yeah absolutely worth doing it. I do it myself, I just don't place that much weight into it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 01:38 GMT
#1475
Can anyone link me to the other site Vayoletta plays?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 01:45 GMT
#1476
On June 13 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone link me to the other site Vayoletta plays?

I don't know any. Only finnish site and games are like 5yrs old (and in finnish), i havent played with him elsewhere.
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 01:47 GMT
#1477
On June 13 2023 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone link me to the other site Vayoletta plays?

I don't know any. Only finnish site and games are like 5yrs old (and in finnish), i havent played with him elsewhere.


So no meta?

My partner is half Polish so the fact that Vayoletta ended in an A made me assume they were a girl.

Whoops.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 01:59 GMT
#1478
Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.

His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^
table for two on a tv tray
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 13 2023 02:03 GMT
#1479
On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote:
Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony.

lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 02:15 GMT
#1480
On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.

His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^


I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how.
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