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Husyelt
United States763 Posts
On March 27 2021 23:34 Elentos wrote: Strategy and tactics are also not the same thing They are nearly interchangeable for me when it comes to RTS, and even if so, TY is easily the best at both. Where as Maru can brute force his way into comebacks, TY can do the same with half the effort all due to his decision making. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On March 29 2021 00:21 Husyelt wrote: They are nearly interchangeable for me when it comes to RTS, and even if so, TY is easily the best at both. Where as Maru can brute force his way into comebacks, TY can do the same with half the effort all due to his decision making. Pretty sure decision making is getting filed under game sense in these hexagons | ||
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tigera6
3182 Posts
On March 29 2021 00:21 Husyelt wrote: They are nearly interchangeable for me when it comes to RTS, and even if so, TY is easily the best at both. Where as Maru can brute force his way into comebacks, TY can do the same with half the effort all due to his decision making. There is nothing better than TY in term of tactics or strategy. But I havent seen TY done much comeback in 2020 at all. Most of the time, TY jump ahead because of his great early game. He can do alot of different combination of Bio/Mech/Medivac harrassment that throw the opponent off guard and can never recover from it. But if TY couldnt do those things and actually fell behind, its unlikely or him to comeback as his micro/macro is not the best in the game. Maru is the type of guy that can turtle hard when fall behind, and then just make a push to win the game. We have seen he done a lot of that, or almost won the game from that position, in all the matchup. | ||
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Husyelt
United States763 Posts
On March 29 2021 00:25 Elentos wrote: Pretty sure decision making is getting filed under game sense in these hexagons But I want that maxed out as well | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
He has that maxed out | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4901 Posts
On March 29 2021 00:05 Xain0n wrote: I watched that series and there was one map out of four in which Dark outplayed Serral, the last; the rest were either bo wins or reckless, risky tactical decisions that paid out(unlike the series they played at IEM in which, I have to say, Dark played better); in general, tho, Dark doesn't stand out for his strategic prowess. I am not saying Maru's victories in 2018 were all due to proxying but towards the end of the season he became fixated with it to the point his strategic plan became kinda obvious to everyone(and in the end sOs punished for that at BlizzCon). Sure, but your examples are wrong, even if you overall statement is true. Dark and Maru dont shine by shinny strats. Mostly because standard play is enough for them to win championships and why risking it playing smart? When a bullet proof macro game can carry you to the win? Also Maru style in 2015 by dropping maruders into colos was quite unique, and he popularize 2018 mass raven, so its not that they are incapable of making innovations. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 29 2021 06:39 Argonauta wrote: Sure, but your examples are wrong, even if you overall statement is true. Dark and Maru dont shine by shinny strats. Mostly because standard play is enough for them to win championships and why risking it playing smart? When a bullet proof macro game can carry you to the win? Also Maru style in 2015 by dropping maruders into colos was quite unique, and he popularize 2018 mass raven, so its not that they are incapable of making innovations. I think we have the same opinion here. I just want to point out that since they don't especially shine for their strategy, their "tactics" score should reflect that. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On March 29 2021 06:39 Argonauta wrote: Sure, but your examples are wrong, even if you overall statement is true. Dark and Maru dont shine by shinny strats. Mostly because standard play is enough for them to win championships and why risking it playing smart? When a bullet proof macro game can carry you to the win? Also Maru style in 2015 by dropping maruders into colos was quite unique, and he popularize 2018 mass raven, so its not that they are incapable of making innovations. I believe Maru made Innovation and won in one of the fastest BO7 ever  (2013?)To be fair, Maru isn't exactly innovative player, but at the same time Maru isn't copied either while he plays rather unique styles. I wouldn't call his playstyle standard as if you wanna learn how to play Terran - sure, go watch Maru. Then forget what you've seen because this implies you understand the game, you have flawless macro while you micro on 2 - 4 different screens. No one else can do that, that's why play like Maru become the meme so easily. In other words - c'mon, Meomaika. It's the perfect example why Maru isn't a standard Terran. It seems to me Maru likes the thrill of playing on the edge of losing. That's why when he defended those all ins he just went - fuck it, it's time to be aggressive. Standard Terran would just stayed at home and would get more ahead and didn't leave with 90 % of the army to do questionable damage at best. | ||
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Husyelt
United States763 Posts
Don’t quote me, I apparently cannot read or be trusted on this issue. I retire from this thread. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
The truth is Dark can beat 90 % of the pros fairly easy even if he choses suboptimal strats, he is just that much better in every other aspect. I think Lambo should keep quiet about this, Dark is on an other levelcompared to him. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23313 Posts
On March 29 2021 09:59 Shathe wrote: Funny how Lambo criticizes Dark who is one of the most succesful and consistent elite player of all time. The truth is Dark can beat 90 % of the pros fairly easy even if he choses suboptimal strats, he is just that much better in every other aspect. I think Lambo should keep quiet about this, Dark is on an other levelcompared to him. I’m pretty sure Lambo had his tongue firmly in his cheek there, what with the EU v Kr ZvZ meme too. No point doing the Hexagons of power if you’re not able to have the players have a bit of fun with it. I’m not sure if any exist, or did exist given the lack of information and of course team houses don’t exist anymore. I’m pretty sure you could produce an elite player in that environment who was a mechanical monster and just grinded out the game with a coach, but who if you talked to them didn’t have many great insights or deep understanding of the game. Obviously not Dark who is just pretty good at everything. Part of what makes SC2 a great competitive game is no player is good enough to be above the rest of the field in all areas, even the best have some relative weaknesses and distinctive strengths. | ||
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Carbon1
3 Posts
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Waxangel
United States32977 Posts
Zest getting perfect micro score is probably the most objectionable thing so far | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 29 2021 12:20 Waxangel wrote: updated with day 3 :0 Zest getting perfect micro score is probably the most objectionable thing so far If you look at the series he played against Clem it checks out (except that he'd need to be in the negatives for 'game sense'). Zest is just lucky there's no macro corner. | ||
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tigera6
3182 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4901 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On March 29 2021 12:20 Waxangel wrote: updated with day 3 :0 Zest getting perfect micro score is probably the most objectionable thing so far You can look at Zest as a single thread CPU which tries to run 2 processes - macro and micro. And, well, since he's unable to run them at the same time, he has to use some scheduling. So when is the time to micro - Zest is usually impeccable. But his macro stands still. And vice versa. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6655 Posts
I feel someone should make a card game out of this ^^ | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On March 29 2021 16:37 Harris1st wrote: What does the color indicate? I feel someone should make a card game out of this ^^ in-game color? | ||
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