WTL Power Hexagons

On March 26 2021 23:53 Elentos wrote:

If they accurately represented it it wouldn't be a perfect flip of Clem's anymore

On March 27 2021 00:01 Elentos wrote:

That was Wardi trying to predict the hexagon scores and he got them perfect

On March 27 2021 00:11 digmouse wrote:
You can tell they played way too much PES on stream.

On March 27 2021 01:05 Poopi wrote:
If Maru doesn't have 5 on def they don't watch the same starcraft as the rest of us though

On March 27 2021 05:59 dbRic1203 wrote:

Yeah sure, Lambo is only the guy behind the tactics of the IEM Katowice winner, 3 points in tactics is about right

On March 27 2021 23:11 Xain0n wrote:


Dark won his titles in 2019 mostly by playing better than his opponents; he "outstrategized" Serral in TSL by going for mutas almost every game the way Maru was doing at a certain point in 2018 when he proxied 24/7, relying on his opponents not having an answer for the strategy.
Not surprisingly, when presented with reliable counters played by strong opponents both lost very important series.

Dark surely isn't lacking in strategy and tactics but I wouldn't say it's the reason he is a top player; I would prefer Lambo over him every day if I had to ask for a strategical advice, Dark is just a stronger player overall.
I also don't think Serral's main selling point is his strategic prowess.

On March 27 2021 23:34 Elentos wrote:

Strategy and tactics are also not the same thing

On March 28 2021 03:50 yubo56 wrote:
I think if you define strategy as picking builds, compositions, etc., while you define tactics as how an existing army is used, e.g. nydus/runby, how to split the army, when to counterattack where, then I think Dark has to have a strong case for being one of the top tactical players. He pioneered bane drops against Stats in SSL in 2016, brought a lot of the typical ZvT late game harassment into the meta (ultras for runbys, heavy nydus play (which he later dropped)), and continues to have some of the most ridiculous comeback. Moreover, all of his comebacks are "tactical" in the sense that they can't be encapsulated by a strategic motif alone, "turtle to BL and take one good fight" but are instead mostly backed by strong army positioning, counterattacking, and forcing the opponent to make mistakes.

I think Dark has the strategy of a potato, but if you give him an army he is comfortable with, he will squeeze more mileage out of it than anybody else in the world. It's a subjective definition, but I think Dark is one of the players who really highlights the difference between "tactics" and "strategy" the most.

On March 28 2021 03:50 yubo56 wrote:
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I think Dark has the strategy of a potato, but if you give him an army he is comfortable with, he will squeeze more mileage out of it than anybody else in the world. It's a subjective definition, but I think Dark is one of the players who really highlights the difference between "tactics" and "strategy" the most.

On March 28 2021 04:55 yubo56 wrote:

I don't think there's strategic depth to losing 10 drones more to harassment than every other Zerg, or managing to die to solved cannon rushes haha, but maybe that's just the sad Dark fan within being salty every time he does stupid things. I'm mostly harping on his early game since that's the part that's the easiest to see by comparing to some of the other KR and even EU zergs playing against the same opponents. I agree that I probably don't understand his strategy in the mid and late game, but that's where his tactical brilliance is able to shine a lot more, and it's a bit harder to separate game plan from execution.

Maybe it's telling that some of the compositions he has been pioneering, like the heavy roach investment in ZvT with very late banes, or the straight to roach hydra lurker, haven't really caught on despite his reasonable individual success with it. I think strategy the way I've defined it is very easy to learn from other players ("what are they playing for here, what is their win condition?"), and apparently very few people have taken Dark's strategies. To then make the leap that "Dark's strategies are only good because of his tactics" to "Dark's tactics salvage his bad strategies" is not so difficult, in my opinion, especially since he's only looked quite good in his games and is only very rarely in unbeatable form.

On March 27 2021 23:11 Xain0n wrote:


Dark won his titles in 2019 mostly by playing better than his opponents; he "outstrategized" Serral in TSL by going for mutas almost every game the way Maru was doing at a certain point in 2018 when he proxied 24/7, relying on his opponents not having an answer for the strategy.
Not surprisingly, when presented with reliable counters played by strong opponents both lost very important series.

Dark surely isn't lacking in strategy and tactics but I wouldn't say it's the reason he is a top player; I would prefer Lambo over him every day if I had to ask for a strategical advice, Dark is just a stronger player overall.
I also don't think Serral's main selling point is his strategic prowess.

On March 28 2021 12:14 Waxangel wrote:
updated with (most) from day 2

lemme know what im missing

On March 29 2021 00:21 Husyelt wrote:

They are nearly interchangeable for me when it comes to RTS, and even if so, TY is easily the best at both. Where as Maru can brute force his way into comebacks, TY can do the same with half the effort all due to his decision making.

On March 29 2021 06:39 Argonauta wrote:



Sure, but your examples are wrong, even if you overall statement is true. Dark and Maru dont shine by shinny strats. Mostly because standard play is enough for them to win championships and why risking it playing smart? When a bullet proof macro game can carry you to the win? Also Maru style in 2015 by dropping maruders into colos was quite unique, and he popularize 2018 mass raven, so its not that they are incapable of making innovations.

On March 29 2021 09:59 Shathe wrote:
Funny how Lambo criticizes Dark who is one of the most succesful and consistent elite player of all time.
The truth is Dark can beat 90 % of the pros fairly easy even if he choses suboptimal strats, he is just that much better in every other aspect.
I think Lambo should keep quiet about this, Dark is on an other levelcompared to him.

On March 29 2021 12:20 Waxangel wrote:
updated with day 3 :0

Zest getting perfect micro score is probably the most objectionable thing so far

On March 29 2021 12:20 Waxangel wrote:
updated with day 3 :0

Zest getting perfect micro score is probably the most objectionable thing so far

On March 29 2021 16:37 Harris1st wrote:
What does the color indicate?

I feel someone should make a card game out of this ^^

On March 29 2021 16:42 Harris1st wrote:


Still don't get it. It definitely not race. Clem is yellow, TIME is red, both Terrans
It's not continent, Zest is Korean Protoss (red), Zoun is Korean Protoss (blue)

EDIT: Is it literally in-game color? I couldn't watch yet

On March 29 2021 17:20 digmouse wrote:
They are also going to change the rankings from 1-5, to 1-10 in a few weeks.

On March 29 2021 13:00 tigera6 wrote:
Nobody get a 5 in Mentality other than Inno and XY over others. I dont know much about XY as a player to tell it, but Inno probably always has a cool robot-like face, never feel like he has any emotion during the games whatsoever. Thats probably why its a 5?

On March 29 2021 20:57 Wardi wrote:


It was yellow on day one and looked bad when it overlapped so they changed to red and blue and i assume that bath also be the colour they play in game, i figured they just had different colours to make the overlap look okay

On May 01 2021 16:51 LED_Mirage wrote:
The new graphics are about win streaks, told by Xiaose in stream. I forget which color represents how many win streaks, but it's obviously a Dragon Ball reference (also told in SCboy's stream).

On May 02 2021 02:47 blunderfulguy wrote:

In the Dragon Ball series, particularly its more violent sequel series Dragon Ball Z, many of the characters including the main character Goku must transcend mortal human capability in order to defeat increasingly powerful extraterrestrial threats. While human characters must train to use special techniques and energy blasts, the saiyans (a human-like alien species) such as Goku are able to increase their "power level" by going "Super Saiyan" which turns their hair yellow and causes bright yellow energy to radiate from their body due to the energy they have in their body.

In this case, instead of getting more powerful after losing against more powerful foes like in the manga and anime, the players simply get more powerful (with more glowing) with undefeated win streaks.

Another example of this is in some sports video games in which a basketball or hockey player scoring multiple times in a row becomes "on fire" (literally, in the game) or glows yellow, red, or eventually blue with enough score.

On May 15 2021 17:19 Elentos wrote:

They (or rather their teams) don't play in the tournament this thread concerns.

On May 18 2021 06:57 Nakajin wrote:
Week 7 hexagons.

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Week 7 changes
Astrea: +1 Mindset
Gerald: +1 Attack, +1 Micro, +1 Macro
SpeCial: +1 Defense
TIME: -1 Mindset
XY: +1 attack
Jieshi: +1 attack, +1 mindset

Biggest upset of week 7
Ryung winning a map vs Dark at a whooping -13 hexagon points.
Also worth mentioning, SpeCial winning a map vs INnoVation at -8 hexagon points.

On May 20 2021 22:23 Drfilip wrote:

One detail: XY had 9 in mindset last week and 9 this week. The mindset -1 got changed earlier.