On May 20 2019 13:31 showstealer1829 wrote: How can anyone continue to care about the Circuit? It's just so fucking predictable these days. You might as well just take Serral and Reynor and have them draw straws to determine the winner and have everyone else play for third.
Funny, could have sworn something similar was said about Maru after he won last Code S.
That's a testament to how strong Maru is though because he does it in the most competitive tournament. Unless you want to argue WCS is more competitive than GSL.
i usually depend on the vod links on the liquipedia page in order to follow these tournaments. wish i didn't have to but are the series spliced on twitch.tv/starcraft?
On May 20 2019 13:31 showstealer1829 wrote: How can anyone continue to care about the Circuit? It's just so fucking predictable these days. You might as well just take Serral and Reynor and have them draw straws to determine the winner and have everyone else play for third.
One of these days we re gonna get Neeb vs Serral, one of these days
On May 20 2019 13:31 showstealer1829 wrote: How can anyone continue to care about the Circuit? It's just so fucking predictable these days. You might as well just take Serral and Reynor and have them draw straws to determine the winner and have everyone else play for third.
Funny, could have sworn something similar was said about Maru after he won last Code S.
Code S has more good players than WCS, compared to Serral there's none except Reynor with his ZvZ. OTOH there are many players who are as good as Maru. Unless Serral goes bad there's no one in the WCS who can beat him reliably.
On May 20 2019 07:39 arkpra wrote: Serral makes Sc2 boring
I dunno, pretty interesting when he runs into real players like soO and Innovation who took him down at IEM and WESG. Those guys are also on a way higher level than anyone else at WCS. They'd be winning WCS every time if they swapped positions with Serral.
They are on a higher level, doesn’t necessarily mean they dominate WCS so hard if they’re thrown in. They certainly have the ability, doing it is another thing entirely.
I mean weekender Maru vs GSL Maru being a case in point, watching his GSL games he should just stomp basically everyone else, but he can’t quite do it
Dark? Probably the best Korean vs foreigners not named Serral? And we're talking about a player who makes "just" RO4s
Another lower tier olimoleague trophy to Serrals collection? I am glad I stopped watching the circuit alltogether. Only intresting matchup would be Serral vs Neeb, and it never happens. The other players are just so much worse than these 2... its really boring to even browse through he results.
Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
On May 20 2019 16:17 Veluvian wrote: Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
That's not true, they will improve in ZvX. (which is why so many Zergs in WCS look so good in ZvZ but bad in anything else(except Serral)
Serral in WCS doesn't improve PvT, PvP & TvT. While he improves overall mechanics it's not enough to improve in MU on this level. (also let's not pretend RO32 Code S didn't fall down, except for a surprise here and there it's pretty stable to predict who will advance)
Edit> You were not watchin GSL vs The World? Blizzcon? IEM? Except Serral(who is good), Neeb & mjr Special(both in a good form) foreigner were demolished.
Guys let me clear something up: playing in GSL vs the World is NOT the same as playing in GSL Code S. GSL vs the World is a weekender with rapid pace. In GSL Code S you have days and weeks to prepare and study for your group. Serral would have time to dissect his opponent and vice versa. And we know there’s only a handful of Circuit players who can truly compete with him - in Code S we would have a much better idea of his overall skill set. (Plus maybe we’d finally get that Serral vs Maru Bo7 sOs so shamefully took away from us last year... 👀)
On May 20 2019 16:33 StarcraftSquall wrote: Guys let me clear something up: playing in GSL vs the World is NOT the same as playing in GSL Code S. GSL vs the World is a weekender with rapid pace. In GSL Code S you have days and weeks to prepare and study for your group. Serral would have time to dissect his opponent and vice versa. And we know there’s only a handful of Circuit players who can truly compete with him - in Code S we would have a much better idea of his overall skill set. (Plus maybe we’d finally get that Serral vs Maru Bo7 sOs so shamefully took away from us last year... 👀)
Most importantly in Code S is more better players who you face against. GSL vs The World has 8 Koreans.... (and 2 of them will be fan votings which didn't go very well the last time)
On May 20 2019 16:17 Veluvian wrote: Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
That's not true, they will improve in ZvX. (which is why so many Zergs in WCS look so good in ZvZ but bad in anything else(except Serral)
Serral in WCS doesn't improve PvT, PvP & TvT. While he improves overall mechanics it's not enough to improve in MU on this level. (also let's not pretend RO32 Code S didn't fall down, except for a surprise here and there it's pretty stable to predict who will advance)
Edit> You were not watchin GSL vs The World? Blizzcon? IEM? Except Serral(who is good), Neeb & mjr Special(both in a good form) foreigner were demolished.
Yes, I know what I've watched. Watch carefully the match between Neeb and TY in GSL Season 3 last year. Yes, TY defeated him, but nothing was certain until the last seconds of the whole epic match. And it was no different in the Blizzcon group A when they met again. And I didn't use to be a Neeb fan at all but I was so impressed! Progress is not always in numbers and statistics in the beginning, time is needed and then we shall see who is right and who is wrong.
On May 20 2019 16:50 Ej_ wrote: Imagine you win a big tournament and the first reaction numerous people have is bad mouthing it and other competitors.
While I don't like it either, let's use a football example.
Czech football league just crowned their champion - Slavia Prague. Imagine their fans to say - now they're the bestest everest and they're better than all the other teams. While some other fans will tell them this championship title isn't even comparable to top4 in the Premier LEague (considering their match on Chelsea... nah, it isn't )
It's not the best comparison, but many people just go against "Serral just proves he;s the bestest everst" (except few)
On May 20 2019 16:17 Veluvian wrote: Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
That's not true, they will improve in ZvX. (which is why so many Zergs in WCS look so good in ZvZ but bad in anything else(except Serral)
Serral in WCS doesn't improve PvT, PvP & TvT. While he improves overall mechanics it's not enough to improve in MU on this level. (also let's not pretend RO32 Code S didn't fall down, except for a surprise here and there it's pretty stable to predict who will advance)
Edit> You were not watchin GSL vs The World? Blizzcon? IEM? Except Serral(who is good), Neeb & mjr Special(both in a good form) foreigner were demolished.
Yes, I know what I've watched. Watch carefully the match between Neeb and TY in GSL Season 3 last year. Yes, TY defeated him, but nothing was certain until the last seconds of the whole epic match. And it was no different in the Blizzcon group A when they met again. And I didn't use to be a Neeb fan at all but I was so impressed! Progress is not always in numbers and statistics in the beginning, time is needed and then we shall see who is right and who is wrong.
I love how you selected the player I wrote as an exception, there were always foreigners which were the exception to the rule(e.g. NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, Scarlett)
On May 20 2019 16:50 Ej_ wrote: Imagine you win a big tournament and the first reaction numerous people have is bad mouthing it and other competitors.
While I don't like it either, let's use a football example.
Czech football league just crowned their champion - Slavia Prague. Imagine their fans to say - now they're the bestest everest and they're better than all the other teams. While some other fans will tell them this championship title isn't even comparable to top4 in the Premier LEague (considering their match on Chelsea... nah, it isn't )
It's not the best comparison, but many people just go against "Serral just proves he;s the bestest everst" (except few)
On May 20 2019 16:17 Veluvian wrote: Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
That's not true, they will improve in ZvX. (which is why so many Zergs in WCS look so good in ZvZ but bad in anything else(except Serral)
Serral in WCS doesn't improve PvT, PvP & TvT. While he improves overall mechanics it's not enough to improve in MU on this level. (also let's not pretend RO32 Code S didn't fall down, except for a surprise here and there it's pretty stable to predict who will advance)
Edit> You were not watchin GSL vs The World? Blizzcon? IEM? Except Serral(who is good), Neeb & mjr Special(both in a good form) foreigner were demolished.
Yes, I know what I've watched. Watch carefully the match between Neeb and TY in GSL Season 3 last year. Yes, TY defeated him, but nothing was certain until the last seconds of the whole epic match. And it was no different in the Blizzcon group A when they met again. And I didn't use to be a Neeb fan at all but I was so impressed! Progress is not always in numbers and statistics in the beginning, time is needed and then we shall see who is right and who is wrong.
I love how you selected the player I wrote as an exception, there were always foreigners which were the exception to the rule(e.g. NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, Scarlett)
Ah, if it's for the sake of repeatedly correcting someone on the Internet, being an ass is completely justified.
On May 20 2019 16:50 Ej_ wrote: Imagine you win a big tournament and the first reaction numerous people have is bad mouthing it and other competitors.
While I don't like it either, let's use a football example.
Czech football league just crowned their champion - Slavia Prague. Imagine their fans to say - now they're the bestest everest and they're better than all the other teams. While some other fans will tell them this championship title isn't even comparable to top4 in the Premier LEague (considering their match on Chelsea... nah, it isn't )
It's not the best comparison, but many people just go against "Serral just proves he;s the bestest everst" (except few)
On May 20 2019 16:54 Veluvian wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:25 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:17 Veluvian wrote: Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
That's not true, they will improve in ZvX. (which is why so many Zergs in WCS look so good in ZvZ but bad in anything else(except Serral)
Serral in WCS doesn't improve PvT, PvP & TvT. While he improves overall mechanics it's not enough to improve in MU on this level. (also let's not pretend RO32 Code S didn't fall down, except for a surprise here and there it's pretty stable to predict who will advance)
Edit> You were not watchin GSL vs The World? Blizzcon? IEM? Except Serral(who is good), Neeb & mjr Special(both in a good form) foreigner were demolished.
Yes, I know what I've watched. Watch carefully the match between Neeb and TY in GSL Season 3 last year. Yes, TY defeated him, but nothing was certain until the last seconds of the whole epic match. And it was no different in the Blizzcon group A when they met again. And I didn't use to be a Neeb fan at all but I was so impressed! Progress is not always in numbers and statistics in the beginning, time is needed and then we shall see who is right and who is wrong.
I love how you selected the player I wrote as an exception, there were always foreigners which were the exception to the rule(e.g. NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, Scarlett)
Ah, if it's for the sake of repeatedly correcting someone on the Internet, being an ass is completely justified.
You're new at the internetz? Correcting somebody on the internet is probably the 3rd biggest reason to post in the internet, right after posting memes and cat videos/gifs
On May 20 2019 16:50 Ej_ wrote: Imagine you win a big tournament and the first reaction numerous people have is bad mouthing it and other competitors.
While I don't like it either, let's use a football example.
Czech football league just crowned their champion - Slavia Prague. Imagine their fans to say - now they're the bestest everest and they're better than all the other teams. While some other fans will tell them this championship title isn't even comparable to top4 in the Premier LEague (considering their match on Chelsea... nah, it isn't )
It's not the best comparison, but many people just go against "Serral just proves he;s the bestest everst" (except few)
On May 20 2019 16:54 Veluvian wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:25 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:17 Veluvian wrote: Many people wish to see Serral in GSL, but to be honest now we are living in a better scenario. Serral should keep focusing upon WGS's premier tournaments the year, not because he'll still dominate for a while, but he is the only opportunity to make other non-Korean players to improve and he can set a well working competitive environment. Serral could be one of the reasons to see in the future more shocks of defeated koreans by non-koreans in top tier tournaments, because he sets a high standard in every circuit where he plays. I know that for some pro-s this could sound bad, but do you really want to play better tomorrow? Serral is probably the best player I've ever seen in SCII history yet, but he will eventually start losing some day. I'm a Dark fan, but Serral is THE zerg, THE perfection at this moment and I cannot deny it. Yes, koreans still can dominate, but we don't see how non-koreans are drastically humiliated anymore like how that happened in the past years. During Serral dominance Neeb improved a lot, we got Ranor doing well and shocked in GSL once last year, Special is like walking on his own path, no sure for Showtime yet, but this is how I look the future.
That's not true, they will improve in ZvX. (which is why so many Zergs in WCS look so good in ZvZ but bad in anything else(except Serral)
Serral in WCS doesn't improve PvT, PvP & TvT. While he improves overall mechanics it's not enough to improve in MU on this level. (also let's not pretend RO32 Code S didn't fall down, except for a surprise here and there it's pretty stable to predict who will advance)
Edit> You were not watchin GSL vs The World? Blizzcon? IEM? Except Serral(who is good), Neeb & mjr Special(both in a good form) foreigner were demolished.
Yes, I know what I've watched. Watch carefully the match between Neeb and TY in GSL Season 3 last year. Yes, TY defeated him, but nothing was certain until the last seconds of the whole epic match. And it was no different in the Blizzcon group A when they met again. And I didn't use to be a Neeb fan at all but I was so impressed! Progress is not always in numbers and statistics in the beginning, time is needed and then we shall see who is right and who is wrong.
I love how you selected the player I wrote as an exception, there were always foreigners which were the exception to the rule(e.g. NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, Scarlett)
Ah, if it's for the sake of repeatedly correcting someone on the Internet, being an ass is completely justified.
You're new at the internetz? Correcting somebody on the internet is probably the 3rd biggest reason to post in the internet, right after posting memes and cat videos/gifs
Porn. The internet is for porn. Memes and cat videos and all the rest are just side effects.
Congratz Serral! Awesome performance! Handled those cheesy Terran openings way better than Ragnarok did.
Game 1 & 2 were real nailbiters, after that Special seemed a bit sloppy and Serral just wiped the floor with him Hope Special can take away something from those gamesvs Serral and Neeb and deliver in Code S
(considering their match on Chelsea... nah, it isn't 
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