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On November 30 2018 03:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 02:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On a perverse level, I am enjoying all of this. Now the conservatives can see what a shit show they elected to ruin the country. Alternatively, they simply go full reditusun. Who knows what will happen once Cohen and Manafort and the rest of Trump's corrupt cronies go to jail. If Trump has charges laid against him and is found guilty, violence will certainly follow from the trumpets.
The President can't be charged with a crime, per DOJ guidelines. The most the investigation would do is make a recommendation to the House that the president should be charged with a crime when he is no longer president.
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On November 30 2018 03:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 02:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On a perverse level, I am enjoying all of this. Now the conservatives can see what a shit show they elected to ruin the country. Alternatively, they simply go full reditusun. Who knows what will happen once Cohen and Manafort and the rest of Trump's corrupt cronies go to jail. If Trump has charges laid against him and is found guilty, violence will certainly follow from the trumpets.
Yes, but if none of us that happens violence will certainly follow from them. That’s just the kind of people they are.
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I strongly recommend this twitter thread for people who want to brush up on the timeline of events from 2016 across all of the Trump campaign staff. It includes everything we know from court documents and official statements like Trump Jr.'s email about the meeting.
I'll try to unroll the whole thing later when I have access to my PC at home.
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Looks to me Cohen is how they knew manafort lied. And now a raid on Deutsche? Looking like that might be gg
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Not 100% sure the Deutsche Bank raid is related, since it was German police. The raid is due to a money laundering investigation.
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On November 30 2018 03:43 Plansix wrote:
Not 100% sure the Deutsche Bank raid is related, since it was German police. The raid is due to a money laundering investigation.
It may not be related, but if that's kushner and Trump's hiding place, it ain't anymore.
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The official statement on it from Deutsche Bank says it's related to the Panama Papers case from a few years ago (crazy how long it's been since that was a thing) but I'm sure they'll take anything related to Trump and his associates
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On November 30 2018 02:58 Sent. wrote:
Thought so.
I’m not familiar enough with the part of the “narrative” that expects not even a complaint, but do you think cancelling a meeting is the right response to the current russia-ukraine fuckery? it’s unclear whether you think this “narrative” is some anti trump hysteria or what.
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On November 30 2018 03:58 plasmidghost wrote:
The official statement on it from Deutsche Bank says it's related to the Panama Papers case from a few years ago (crazy how long it's been since that was a thing) but I'm sure they'll take anything related to Trump and his associates Really? Considering there is a whole bunch of sensitive information I would assume any investigation would be limited to what they got a warrant for. And not just anything and every bit of information they feel like grabbing.
So unless they find something on Trump related to the investigation coming from the Panama Papers it won't be usable?
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On November 30 2018 04:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 03:58 plasmidghost wrote:
The official statement on it from Deutsche Bank says it's related to the Panama Papers case from a few years ago (crazy how long it's been since that was a thing) but I'm sure they'll take anything related to Trump and his associates Really? Considering there is a whole bunch of sensitive information I would assume any investigation would be limited to what they got a warrant for. And not just anything and every bit of information they feel like grabbing. So unless they find something on Trump related to the investigation coming from the Panama Papers it won't be usable?
I meant that I wouldn't be surprised if the scope of the raid is way more than the official Panama Papers story
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The panama papers were pretty far reaching, so a raid "related to" them isn't necessarily that much of a stretch to trump stuff.
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We won’t know for some time and I doubt the raid is going to have any impact on the current investigation. Anything found in the raid would need to pass through a lot of hands before it made it to the current investigations. I’m also pretty sure Trump isn’t smart enough to know that.
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On November 30 2018 02:55 Sent. wrote:
Donald just tweeted he cancelled his meeting with Vladimir in Argentina because Russians did not release the captured Ukrainian sailors. Is it enough to kill the " the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA" narrative?
I'd wager this decision has nothing to do with Ukraine and everything to do with Mueller. He doesnt want to be seen cozying up to Putin again so close to Mueller potentially releasing his report.
Also, let us not forget that if Trump says/tweets something factual, statistically it is almost certainly a lie. Chances are the reasoning behind this is a lie, and Mueller is the most likely explanation.
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On November 30 2018 04:24 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 02:55 Sent. wrote:
Donald just tweeted he cancelled his meeting with Vladimir in Argentina because Russians did not release the captured Ukrainian sailors. Is it enough to kill the " the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA" narrative? I'd wager this decision has nothing to do with Ukraine and everything to do with Mueller. He doesnt want to be seen cozying up to Putin again so close to Mueller potentially releasing his report. Also, let us not forget that if Trump says/tweets something factual, statistically it is almost certainly a lie. Chances are the reasoning behind this is a lie, and Mueller is the most likely explanation.
Also note that the canceling the meeting tweet had no all-caps words, came out during normal business hours, and included complete sentences. These are pretty big tells that Trump didn't write it. A real Trump message would have had grieving about how the fake investigation is why he had to cancel his meeting with the totally innocent Putin.
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On November 30 2018 04:00 brian wrote:I’m not familiar enough with the part of the “narrative” that expects not even a complaint, but do you think cancelling a meeting is the right response to the current russia-ukraine fuckery? it’s unclear whether you think this “narrative” is some anti trump hysteria or what.
I copy pasted the line in put in quotes in my post from a post made in this thread few days ago. It didn't seem to stand out.
I don't consider Trump's response a big deal, but I also don't expect any meaningful response from other Western leaders. The recent fuckery was inevitable ever since Crimea was annexed, so it would make no sense to respond with something more severe now instead of just continuing the post-annexation course, that is maintaining the sanctions put on Russia and providing Ukraine with soft support.
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On November 30 2018 04:28 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 04:24 On_Slaught wrote:On November 30 2018 02:55 Sent. wrote:
Donald just tweeted he cancelled his meeting with Vladimir in Argentina because Russians did not release the captured Ukrainian sailors. Is it enough to kill the " the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA" narrative? I'd wager this decision has nothing to do with Ukraine and everything to do with Mueller. He doesnt want to be seen cozying up to Putin again so close to Mueller potentially releasing his report. Also, let us not forget that if Trump says/tweets something factual, statistically it is almost certainly a lie. Chances are the reasoning behind this is a lie, and Mueller is the most likely explanation. Also note that the canceling the meeting tweet had no all-caps words, came out during normal business hours, and included complete sentences. These are pretty big tells that Trump didn't write it. A real Trump message would have had grieving about how the fake investigation is why he had to cancel his meeting with the totally innocent Putin.
Before getting on the plane he said he still wanted the meeting, staff changed his mind
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“I probably will be meeting with President Putin. We haven’t terminated that meeting. I was thinking about it. But we haven’t. They’d like to have it. I think it is a very good time to have a meeting.”
This actually sounds like soemthing Trump would say. I wonder what changed his mind, or was he just simply distracted?
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Are the statements Trump provided to Mueller considered perjury if they are shown to be lies?
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On November 30 2018 05:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Are the statements Trump provided to Mueller considered perjury if they are shown to be lies?
Yes, they are submitted as truth and any lies is a crime
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On November 30 2018 05:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Are the statements Trump provided to Mueller considered perjury if they are shown to be lies?
We don’t know if the specifics of the statements, but I have not read any reports that they were under oath. However, it is illegal lie to the FBI during the course of an investigation. It isn’t going to send someone to jail for years, but its illegal and people serve jail time for it.
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