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On November 29 2018 22:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 22:27 KwarK wrote:
We literally have the emails where Don Jr. takes the bait and a confession from the man himself. The best case scenario for Don Jr., and the one he is currently saying is true, is that he tried to accept Russian state aid and failed. That’s his defence. That he was stupid enough to try and collude but it was too difficult.
This is as strange as a 9/11 conspiracy theory that questions whether the towers were actually destroyed. It’s not just filling in the blanks creatively, it’s going back to the basic agreed facts of the event and changing them. That's the entire modus operandi of Trump and his team though. It's the denial of real facts and the introduction of complete nonsense marketed as "alternative facts". He invented an alternate universe where he had a big inauguration crowd and he's the smartest and greatest and bigliest and has all the best words, and his supporters believe they live in that universe. They don't realize that universe is imaginary. Who's to say if the twin towers are destroyed in that universe? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump claimed he built them himself, during the little downtime he had between saving kittens, killing Hitler, and picking himself up by his own bootstraps with no help or money from his father.
Nope, the towers definitely existed and fell down. That fact is important because it allowed Trump to tell the world that he now owns the tallest buildings in New York.
Like, wasn't it a day afterward when he said that on TV?
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On November 30 2018 00:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 00:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On November 30 2018 00:38 Plansix wrote:
There are also reports that Steven Mnuchin, Treasury Secretary, tried to stop the Fed from raising interest rates, which would have ended anyone's career prior to Trump. But Trump and his anti-goverment administration are just trying to take us back to 1920's crony capitalism speed run style. I am waiting to live in that era, Old Sport. Don't you dare try and stop this from happening, I say! Are you ready to watch the economy choke on protectionist tariffs and the corpses of poorly regulated banks? Are you ready for conservative politicians to rally behind bringing back the good old days while blaming globalists and foreigners for the state of the economy? Are you ready for some new hyper conservative political party to emerge calling themselves the New Founding Fathers without any irony? Are you ready for them to promise to bring back the natural order? Are you talking about 1920? because it sounds a lot like 2018.
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This Mike Cohen plea deal is the best. They were trying for a Trump town deal in Moscow during the 2016 campaign and after. Cohen was planning for travel to Russia, maybe even with Trump. I wonder what Trump put in those written statements of his?
And Deutsche Bank’s offices raided today, where Trump has all his money.
Gotta say: “chef’s kiss” to today.
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On November 30 2018 01:20 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 00:55 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On November 30 2018 00:52 Plansix wrote:On November 30 2018 00:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On November 30 2018 00:38 Plansix wrote:
There are also reports that Steven Mnuchin, Treasury Secretary, tried to stop the Fed from raising interest rates, which would have ended anyone's career prior to Trump. But Trump and his anti-goverment administration are just trying to take us back to 1920's crony capitalism speed run style. I am waiting to live in that era, Old Sport. Don't you dare try and stop this from happening, I say! Are you ready to watch the economy choke on protectionist tariffs and the corpses of poorly regulated banks? Are you ready for conservative politicians to rally behind bringing back the good old days while blaming globalists and foreigners for the state of the economy? Are you ready for some new hyper conservative political party to emerge calling themselves the New Founding Fathers without any irony? Are you ready for them to promise to bring back the natural order? If I can party like Gatsby and call people Old Sport....yep! Listen you might think your a bimbo and the bees knees, but you need to ankle out of here, because I think your dew dropper and blue nose. Now if your not a wurp lets blouse, get some panther piss, get ossified, hit the rub and look for some hotsy totsy bearcats.
I...I am at a loss for words old chap.
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On November 30 2018 00:58 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 22:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 29 2018 22:27 KwarK wrote:
We literally have the emails where Don Jr. takes the bait and a confession from the man himself. The best case scenario for Don Jr., and the one he is currently saying is true, is that he tried to accept Russian state aid and failed. That’s his defence. That he was stupid enough to try and collude but it was too difficult.
This is as strange as a 9/11 conspiracy theory that questions whether the towers were actually destroyed. It’s not just filling in the blanks creatively, it’s going back to the basic agreed facts of the event and changing them. That's the entire modus operandi of Trump and his team though. It's the denial of real facts and the introduction of complete nonsense marketed as "alternative facts". He invented an alternate universe where he had a big inauguration crowd and he's the smartest and greatest and bigliest and has all the best words, and his supporters believe they live in that universe. They don't realize that universe is imaginary. Who's to say if the twin towers are destroyed in that universe? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump claimed he built them himself, during the little downtime he had between saving kittens, killing Hitler, and picking himself up by his own bootstraps with no help or money from his father. Nope, the towers definitely existed and fell down. That fact is important because it allowed Trump to tell the world that he now owns the tallest buildings in New York. Like, wasn't it a day afterward when he said that on TV?
Yeah he said that. But when you really think about it use your gut, isn't it obvious that Trump owns all the buildings that are the tallest and the shiniest and can entertain the most golden showers? I mean, he knows the very best people and they're great guys. Phenomenal even. Tremendous.
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I guess Trump's not going to pardon Cohen after those statements he made. I wonder what Mueller's saying to get them to plead guilty. Maybe they're realizing that their loyalty to Trump was never going to be returned
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On November 30 2018 02:13 plasmidghost wrote:
I guess Trump's not going to pardon Cohen after those statements he made. I wonder what Mueller's saying to get them to plead guilty. Maybe they're realizing that their loyalty to Trump was never going to be returned
Mueller doesn't have to say much, they raided Cohens office, he has many financial fraud problems. He flipped a while ago. Not to mention Trump already threw the bus at him during the Stormy Daniels case. Cohen literally paid her off out of pocket to help Trump and Donald still threw the bus.
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I'm pretty sure Cohen can't be pardoned, since a good chunk of the charges are for violating state laws. It is why Manafort's plan for seeking a pardon is staggeringly stupid, since he is also facing a truck load of state charges.
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On a perverse level, I am enjoying all of this. Now the conservatives can see what a shit show they elected to ruin the country.
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On November 30 2018 00:58 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 22:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 29 2018 22:27 KwarK wrote:
We literally have the emails where Don Jr. takes the bait and a confession from the man himself. The best case scenario for Don Jr., and the one he is currently saying is true, is that he tried to accept Russian state aid and failed. That’s his defence. That he was stupid enough to try and collude but it was too difficult.
This is as strange as a 9/11 conspiracy theory that questions whether the towers were actually destroyed. It’s not just filling in the blanks creatively, it’s going back to the basic agreed facts of the event and changing them. That's the entire modus operandi of Trump and his team though. It's the denial of real facts and the introduction of complete nonsense marketed as "alternative facts". He invented an alternate universe where he had a big inauguration crowd and he's the smartest and greatest and bigliest and has all the best words, and his supporters believe they live in that universe. They don't realize that universe is imaginary. Who's to say if the twin towers are destroyed in that universe? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump claimed he built them himself, during the little downtime he had between saving kittens, killing Hitler, and picking himself up by his own bootstraps with no help or money from his father. Nope, the towers definitely existed and fell down. That fact is important because it allowed Trump to tell the world that he now owns the tallest buildings in New York. Like, wasn't it a day afterward when he said that on TV?
It was actually the day of, while there was a blazing inferno in downtown Manhattan.
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Trump has stuck his neck out by telling Mueller in his written answers that he did not know about the Trump Tower meeting. Yet 40 minutes after the meeting started, he tweeted for the first time about Hillary's missing emails. The man can't stop himself from lying. It's really only a matter of whether Mueller can find the proof.
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Donald just tweeted he cancelled his meeting with Vladimir in Argentina because Russians did not release the captured Ukrainian sailors. Is it enough to kill the " the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA" narrative?
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On November 30 2018 02:55 Sent. wrote:
Donald just tweeted he cancelled his meeting with Vladimir in Argentina because Russians did not release the captured Ukrainian sailors. Is it enough to kill the " the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA" narrative? No.
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On November 30 2018 02:58 Sent. wrote:
Thought so.
I mean, it is a start. Canceling a meeting isn't that big of a deal though and I really don't think he did it because of the soldiers
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And this is Trump we're talking about here. One minute WH says one thing, he does the other.
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On November 30 2018 02:55 Sent. wrote:
Donald just tweeted he cancelled his meeting with Vladimir in Argentina because Russians did not release the captured Ukrainian sailors. Is it enough to kill the " the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA" narrative?
So Trump is very cozy with Putin, but the Senate and even parts of his administration(DOJ) have been far less forgiving, imposing new sanctions and charging Russian nationals with crimes. But as Trump dominates al l political media, those efforts are rarely highlighted. This gives the impression that the US is far more forgiving of Russia’s actions.
Now, if we had a normal President who wasn’t trying to cut real estate deals with Russia, maybe while in office, we would be doing more.
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I'd say it makes a difference if he tweeted it, and not just a message from the WH. That seems like it's his active choice.
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On November 30 2018 02:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On a perverse level, I am enjoying all of this. Now the conservatives can see what a shit show they elected to ruin the country.
Alternatively, they simply go full reditusun. Who knows what will happen once Cohen and Manafort and the rest of Trump's corrupt cronies go to jail. If Trump has charges laid against him and is found guilty, violence will certainly follow from the trumpets.
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