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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 30 2018 05:29 Plansix wrote: We don’t know if the specifics of the statements, but I have not read any reports that they were under oath. However, it is illegal lie to the FBI during the course of an investigation. It isn’t going to send someone to jail for years, but its illegal and people serve jail time for it. CNN has reported two of the answers trump gave, one of which was that he didnt know about the trump tower meeting. Hopefully he also said that he never discussed any trump tower Moscow business deals. Youd almost have to think Mueller asked that question. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 30 2018 06:02 Doodsmack wrote: CNN has reported two of the answers trump gave, one of which was that he didnt know about the trump tower meeting. Hopefully he also said that he never discussed any trump tower Moscow business deals. Youd almost have to think Mueller asked that question. Maybe in a slightly more roundabout way. I'm sure Rudy will hem and haw about perjury traps. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 30 2018 05:50 JimmiC wrote: He could have also put a bunch of "as I recall" and so on to give wiggle room. Yeah but if that worked for every scenario, every single person would say that and never be charged with lying. There must be some kinda nuance. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
(1) giving Mueller 3 hours of under oath deposition where Trump goes full on Abe Simpson senile and rambles about vote counts, Hillary being a felon, QAnon grade fantasies, and stuff about fake news (2) copy and pasting Manafort's lies onto paper only for them to be directly contradicted as Manafort goes to jail for those lies and Cohen pleads out and testifies that Manafort's lies were lies Keep in mind that Trump has been in hundreds of depositions before but never gone down for perjury. Everyone knows he lies all the time, but he believes his lies so he never meets the malice standard. The man is senile as all hell and can't form complete thoughts enough to be tied down into anything resembling a claim about reality. How can you prove he is lying when his transcribed sentences aren't even complete sentences? Team Trump really thought that the written interrogatories were the way to go to keep their client from lying, but now they have just put actual lies on paper. I think relying on (1) Trump's inherent ability to fantasize and make up delusions and lies on the spot would have been a better legal strategy than (2) letting lawyers copypasta lies Mueller can prove are lies onto paper. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 30 2018 06:20 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah but if that worked for every scenario, every single person would say that and never be charged with lying. There must be some kinda nuance. Exactly. Everything simple solution that folks are thinking of has already been thought of. The FBI investigators and lawyers involved have all be doing this for years/decades and are building on practices that have been refined over more decades. If you can think of it, it likely has already been thought of, worked or didn’t work and now there is a best practice to avoid it. It is like when all the tech companies face a civil lawsuit and delete a whole bunch of emails, thinking they have cracked the code to avoiding the lawsuit. No one can know what was on the emails that were deleted. Except destroying evidence is nothing new and there are already rules around it. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 30 2018 06:04 ticklishmusic wrote: Maybe in a slightly more roundabout way. I'm sure Rudy will hem and haw about perjury traps. Looks like trump admitted straight up that he spoke about the deal well into 2016 and even signer a letter of intent. Which is funny because said today that Cohens story was a lie... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 30 2018 06:33 Doodsmack wrote: Looks like trump admitted straight up that he spoke about the deal well into 2016 and even signer a letter of intent. Which is funny because said today that Cohens story was a lie... https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1068222659786358786 I think the more likely scenario is that they are trying to spit what they said to not be a lie. I doubt they were nearly as forthcoming as Cohen, prior to Cohen flipping. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
It may be a coincidence, but Mueller may also be closing the net on something. Source: | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 30 2018 06:45 On_Slaught wrote: Today, the same day Deutsche Bank got raided and Cohen's plea deal was announced, federal agents have raided the office of Ed Burke, a lawyer in Chicago who has worked for years with Trump on tax stuff for his business. They went so far as to cover the windows to the office with brown paper. It may be a coincidence, but Mueller may also be closing the net on something. Source: https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1068181852001890304 How many people's lives of crime got completely ruined by Trump being elected? lmao | ||
Womwomwom
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Excludos
Norway8280 Posts
On November 30 2018 07:04 Womwomwom wrote: Who on earth thought a real estate developer hailing from New York, who was most active during the 1970s and 1980s, wouldn't have ties with organised crime or done a lot of illegal shit intentionally? (or still doing it, at the very least all the way up until he got elected) | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Edit: Err I mean Roger Ailes, who resigned from Fox around the time Trump won the primary, not Murdoch. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Its just a little awkward to be running a side hustle as a presidential candidate. On November 30 2018 07:09 On_Slaught wrote: The prevailing wisdom is that they, like everyone else, never expected Trump to get elected. People like Manafort and Stone were shady as fuck because they never thought they would get a real spotlight put on then. Similarly, all Trump was doing was leveraging himself to be a big name in conservative circles and start a news network with Murdoch and perhaps Brietbart. All that came crashing down when he won. Now all they get is stress, scrutiny and subpoenas. Edit: Err I mean Roger Ailes, who resigned from Fox around the time Trump won the primary, not Murdoch. People who engage in white collar crime just become arrogant as hell because a lot of the time they get away with their crimes and/or shitty behaviour with little actual lasting pushback. Its really that simple, they think they can get away with whatever they're doing and society generally proves that thought process to be a correct one. You can tell that they never had any legitimate pushback in their lives by how they move. Martin Shkreli was probably the most arrogant guy in the world up until the judge gave him 7 years, to which he finally figured out that he wasn't untouchable and cried like any other man getting handed a decent length sentence. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 30 2018 06:45 On_Slaught wrote: Today, the same day Deutsche Bank got raided and Cohen's plea deal was announced, federal agents have raided the office of Ed Burke, a lawyer in Chicago who has worked for years with Trump on tax stuff for his business. They went so far as to cover the windows to the office with brown paper. It may be a coincidence, but Mueller may also be closing the net on something. Source: https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1068181852001890304 Wow. Fascinating stuff if these different events are not a coincedence, coming right after trump submits his written answers. It's a virtual certainty that trump has committed tax fraud throughout his career. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The problem is that its a huge conflict of interest for someone who isn't a mere private citizen and the only explanation for him signing off on the deal is that either he didn't expect to win or just didn't give a fuck and knew Republicans wouldn't do anything about it. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/g20-summit-live-trump-where-what-update-latest-putin-theresa-may-argentina-countries-buenos-aires-a8659471.html The Twitter rumors are that he is having a meltdown and is sulking in his hotel room instead of doing the meetings. Judging by his quote tweeting from FOX and Alan Dershowitz, the Twitter rumors are looking strong. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On November 30 2018 12:22 Wulfey_LA wrote: According to CNN, Trump's legal team found out yesterday about what was about to happen with Cohen's plea deal. Apparently he was visually upset and acting even stranger than normal at the Christmas tree lighting ceremony yesterday (the thing he suddenly ditched early last night with no explanation given) after receiving a phone call. I saw a picture on Twitter of him at it and he was irritated looking, and in the background you can see two of his kids looking at him with a fair amount of concern. In several different pictures I saw, he appears to be gritting his teeth and upset.Followup to the Trump cancelling talks with Putin thing. Trump is also cancelling with Turkey and South Korea. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/g20-summit-live-trump-where-what-update-latest-putin-theresa-may-argentina-countries-buenos-aires-a8659471.html The Twitter rumors are that he is having a meltdown and is sulking in his hotel room instead of doing the meetings. Judging by his quote tweeting from FOX and Alan Dershowitz, the Twitter rumors are looking strong. | ||
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