[WoW] Battle for Azeroth - Page 496

On October 28 2018 09:25 Warri wrote:
https://www.wowhead.com/news=288209/a-look-at-the-tank-changes-in-8-1-so-far?webhook/a-look-at-the-tank-changes-in-8-1-so-far
Oh would you look at that, they made HotP heal relative to the targets missings health again rather than the casters. Sadly, if it stays on GCD, you still can't afford to cast it on others.
The other changes are a bit disappointing. Brew basically unchanged since ISB is 100% uptime and same for DK since bone shield is 100% uptime. DK only loses a bit survival on huge pulls but not enough to call it a nerf tbh.
Dont know a thing about warriors so i cant comment on that.

On October 29 2018 07:08 Spicy_Curry wrote:
veng dh isn't the greatest atm but the fact that you can reset last resort by dying is pretty bonkers

also the last 2 weeks have made me want to stop playing because the affixes are so bad in M+

Not as useful as the Crawg guy for Alliance to go to Uldir.

On October 28 2018 13:23 Cyro wrote:
Soul Barrier for veng DH seems like an interesting mechanic in theory but falls apart in practice IMO (i've triple checked on how it actually works since bfa, it's not intuitive)

TL;DR it puts up a 12 second buff which provides a shield for 40k (16% of my HP). Each time you use a soul you get a "free" additional 8k shield on top of the regular heal provided by the buff. You get that 40k absorb from the shield and can often add 120k more from the "free" extra absorb generated by soul consumption.

The main problem with it is that unlike the legion design, if the shield hits 0 then you instantly lose the buff and stop getting the bonus heal/absorb.

Sometimes you can keep it up for the full 12 seconds (30 sec CD), other times you press shield and half a global later it's gone before you can do anything which means losing a huge fraction of the CD's value.

To prevent that as much as possible you'd ideally use it during active mitigation, with 4-5 souls up already and fracture+immo available to quickly increase the shield but it's awkward to actually get to that point in a fight where you have the threat and resources to put a good shield up - you're usually using Fracture, Immo and Souls to establish threat and stay alive during the pull.

It works much better stacked with the other (low uptime!*) active mitigation because when you put the shield up without it you're likely to get smacked once by a boss or a pack of mobs and instantly lose the buff so that it can't do its job - you need to use your first mitigation to ensure that the second mitigation isn't mostly wasted. That keeps you alive very well for a while, but now you're like 12 seconds into the fight with no mitigation and everything on cooldown which is not exactly a great situation.

*30% is considerable uptime for active mitigation but in this case it feels very low because of how squishy you are without it. A lot of the time it's like.. do you have demon spikes up, or are you kiting? I've stood my ground way too often against a pack of like 3 mobs in a level 10 and died to melee hits in 380 gear



Rough EHP figures for my char with and without DS just taking into account HP, Armor, Dodge and Parry:

520.9k base

1134.9k DS (218% of baseline)

That is one hell of a bump and understandable why we can tank pretty solidly for 12 seconds or so at a time and then turn into wet paper. It'd be a lot more fun IMO if the baseline EHP was higher - maybe DS should give +50% or +70% EHP rather than +118%.

An increased uptime would also help to reduce those instances where you have to make the choice between running or dying in the middle of the fight but wouldn't be strictly necessary if you weren't so weak outside of DS; it's the combination of requiring the mitigation to be up yet not having uptime that is problematic and BFA has pushed that extreme more than any other expansion AFAIK.

Metamorphosis adds less EHP than Demon Spikes with a quarter of the already low uptime, it's far less relevant to the spec than it used to be

On October 30 2018 00:41 NonY wrote:
i'm enjoying these affixes. explosive is a joke (except when everything was broken on tuesday but then they hotfixed all the broken stuff). honestly it's fun for me bopping the explosives. bolstering is pretty much a joke for any normal group that doesn't pull multiple packs. i'm enjoying actually getting to do damage as a healer and not ever running low on mana.

certain bosses on high enough keys are always gonna be hard on tyrannical weeks but that's a fundamental aspect of mythic+ imo

the community perception on which dungeons are hard and things like "needing" a rogue are pretty annoying when it actually leads to having trouble making groups. i agree with cyro that people overreact. but i would add that a few of the popular skips involve mounting up while the rogue uses sprint so invis pot is not a true replacement

really not looking forward to bursting/quaking as a healer. it's just so annoying and unfun. i think they're affixes that are easier to time but it personally feels more stressful and unfun to heal. can't drink for 4 seconds after every pack AND quaking will randomly interrupt drinking as well. i might actually use mana potions, idk. i'll have to check how much they cost.

On October 30 2018 03:28 NonY wrote:
Yeah that's pretty rough. My group was much much better. The DH we pugged was doing almost nothing to explosives but the hunter was doing a lot. And then our little premade was me and the tank and a rogue, who were all paying attention and attacking explosives.

Affliction lock is really bad at dealing with explosives so doing 2 runs with them is rough. Honestly I wouldn't target them at all as affliction. So if a group is bringing affliction lock, presumably to help with the tyrannical bosses, then the other dps should be classes good at dealing with explosive. Brewmaster, rogues and prot paladin should all be doing better than that. Not sure about resto druid and holy priest.

On October 30 2018 03:28 NonY wrote:
Yeah that's pretty rough. My group was much much better. The DH we pugged was doing almost nothing to explosives but the hunter was doing a lot. And then our little premade was me and the tank and a rogue, who were all paying attention and attacking explosives.

Affliction lock is really bad at dealing with explosives so doing 2 runs with them is rough. Honestly I wouldn't target them at all as affliction. So if a group is bringing affliction lock, presumably to help with the tyrannical bosses, then the other dps should be classes good at dealing with explosive. Brewmaster, rogues and prot paladin should all be doing better than that. Not sure about resto druid and holy priest.