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The constant arguing is getting old, noob. In other news, ctrl-F methods of finding patterns with moosy aren't working, meriting a deeper dive @.@
You won't convince HF he's scum. And no matter how much it's better play to actually read others' posts, I really can't be assed to read the back and forth that is just "NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG YOU ARE SCUM" that you seem to post to everything he says.
If you want to be convincing a few things must happen:
- condense your points into something easily double-checked like this
- consider alternative scenarios
- present why you still think yours is correct (if you do)
- stop arguing with your scumread if you don't think he could be town*
*frankly, I've no clue what you think you're accomplishing with this, because if you are trying to refine your read it's apparent you're not even considering how you might be wrong. and if you're not, it's pointless
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Idk, it seems surface level obvious that the teams are something like
NK/Moosy
Vivax/HF
Maybe Vivax/Moosy if they were trying to distance. Would still be quite a risky play though considering one of the "3" medics on koshi could've cowboyed back onto Moosy.
I think i'm fine lynching Moosy --> HF and if Slam is scum we can laugh about it post game. If Moosy flips town, Vivax and HF look pretty bad.
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On March 11 2018 22:48 Koshi wrote:
If only I die. Lynch HF.
Last game of the regular season started 15 mins ago. Going to watch it.
I think I said everything I wanted to say.
Slam
Moosy
rsoultin
that is a hard 50/50 between Slam and Moosy.
But HF has a good shot of being mafia.
Actually he kinda doesn't becuase he is making me so angry I want to fucking murder his dumb shitty ass and that makes him meta town but w.e
Just kill us both.
gogo.
gl hf once more.
Regardless of what he wrote after this is correct.
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On March 13 2018 17:46 Holyflare wrote:
Also strange nk doesn't want to go after his second biggest scum read and instead was trying to prep him to lynch me maybe?
Yes, SO strange for someone to go after their biggest scum read, instead of their second biggest. *eyeroll*
You're a better lynch than Vivax because Vivax is a medic claim.
And you're a better lynch than Vivax because you're constantly trying to help the wrong team (while he does so only every now and then!)
And you're a better lynch than Vivax because you withdrew your fake claim at the start of Day 2 when Town would have a motive to keep it secret and use it against the scum team on N2 if there's no mass claim, while Scum would have a motive to back out of the fake claim ASAP in case there IS a mass claim.
And you're a better lynch than Vivax because you give wrong reads for bad reasons (ie Koshi)
And you're a better lynch than Vivax because you go back on your other reads without explanation as soon as it becomes convenient for mafia to do so. (ie Moosy)
And you're a better lynch than Vivax because you keep (objectively) posting falsehoods about things other players have said, and when you get caught in your lies, you try to play it off as "semantics."
And you're a better lynch than Vivax because you keep inexplicably trying to act like it's scummy for me to argue against your stupid scum-favored ideas.
You're a better lynch than Vivax for ALL the other reasons listed in my case against you on Page 63.
You should be the lynch today because you...are...scum.
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If the team is FF/Slam i'm going to commit seppuku
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On March 13 2018 19:09 darthfoley wrote:
Idk, it seems surface level obvious that the teams are something like
NK/Moosy
Vivax/HF
Maybe Vivax/Moosy if they were trying to distance. Would still be quite a risky play though considering one of the "3" medics on koshi could've cowboyed back onto Moosy.
I think i'm fine lynching Moosy --> HF and if Slam is scum we can laugh about it post game. If Moosy flips town, Vivax and HF look pretty bad.
This is kinda where I'm at, though I would like to note that FF could fairly easily be scum here, especially with a scum moosy. It's just fairly impossible to tell with how he's decided to just fuck off this game.
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Read page 11 of my filter and tell me I'm mafia lol. No fucking way.
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This doesn't apply to noobking.
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On March 13 2018 19:11 darthfoley wrote:
If the team is FF/Slam i'm going to commit seppuku
A VERY real possibility you know.
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On March 13 2018 19:11 darthfoley wrote:
If the team is FF/Slam i'm going to commit seppuku
My feels say moosy. I'm trying to see if those feels should be listened to, but I'm not really feeling an hf lynch, not even enough to really be tempted to fear lynch him. Which maybe makes me bad, but whatevs.
FF/Slam is possible, but I still think that there's something pretty reactive and aimless about Slam's play that doesn't strike me as mafia-motivated.
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My plan going forward is to ignore every wall of text nk writes. Worked day 1 and hopefully works again. Don't believe the incorrect cherry picking he is doing though. Read my filter and come to your own decision. I contradict myself a LOT, I'm unsure about things, I push new situations/nk plans for people to talk about (nobody ever really does but rsoul) and I try and find mafia. This doesn't ever make me mafia and it never will. I just would like to win please.
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On March 13 2018 19:08 rsoultin wrote:
The constant arguing is getting old, noob.
And this is something to say to me, more than it's something to say to HF, because....why?
On March 13 2018 19:08 rsoultin wrote:
You won't convince HF he's scum.
Obviously? That's not the point of what I'm doing? I'm proving he's scum for everyone else in the game, seeing the discussion?
On March 13 2018 19:08 rsoultin wrote:
And no matter how much it's better play to actually read others' posts, I really can't be assed to read the back and forth that is just "NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG YOU ARE SCUM" that you seem to post to everything he says.
I'm not just saying he's wrong, I'm citing very specific examples for how we can know that he's wrong. That's the best thing I could possibly be doing, in attempting to get my scumread lynched.
On March 13 2018 19:08 rsoultin wrote:
stop arguing with your scumread if you don't think he could be town*
How on Earth are you supposed to get scum lynched if you don't argue with them? When you are confident in your scumread and you try to get them lynched, they will defend themselves and argue against the points you've made. That's their JOB. You get them (or keep them) in the Noose by arguing back and DEFEATING their arguments. You can't just let them argue against the evidence you have and LET them, failing to point out the holes and falsehoods in their story. That's how scum wriggles out of the Noose. If I want to get Holyflare lynched, I need to keep stomping him down every time he posts more lies in his defense, so that people can see WHY those lies are not to be believed.
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I explained what I will respond to. From what I see you're not really convincing anyone else either. If you want to choose to continue to beat your head against a wall, that's your prerogative (not sure if I spelled that right lol ><)
I will not argue with you because I have better things to do.
#confirmedtown
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That's not how you get someone lynched. To get someone lynched you must convince other people to come around to your way of thinking. Systematically attacking your read's posts one by one in a giant wall of text is not legible to other people other than yourself. Lots of people have said that they aren't even reading your walls of text. If you want to actually lynch me you need to succinctly summarise in a small paragraph your most convincing points.
Furthermore, I'm playing on my phone at work. If you keep arguing the way you are in giant walls of text then I can't feasibly respond to everything you write in time before I have to do something else. That's why I choose to ignore some questions or not respond adequately sometimes. It's just because I don't have the time to. Lives are busy.
I'm not mafia, you should ask me questions to try and reevaluate your stance. Sorry if what I push forward is scummy. I work conversationally and everything I write isn't meant to be the be all and end all definitive thing. If I put forward a nk scenario it's because I've been thinking of it on the train home and I want to post about it before I forget and get opinions. Sometimes I just verbally spew what I'm thinking even if it looks scummy because I just want a dialogue.
I used to play like you but I can't anymore and it's frustrating because you're the type of player I would have loved to have had a dialogue with in my prime. So, sorry you think I'm mafia. I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing and we'll see what happens.
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On March 13 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:
From what I see you're not really convincing anyone else either.
Slam already moved his vote, and Moosy and FF haven't been back yet. If they're convinced (or even if just FF is convinced, and Moosy has to move for self-preservation) that's already too many votes to top. In that scenario, if you want to keep him out of a Noose, you'll inherit the task of explaining how he is innocent, and I don't know where you'd even begin. I tried going into his filter with the pre-supposition that he's Town, and looked through for excuses to prop up that pre-supposition. If I assume he's Town before even I start reading, can I interpret his posts in a manner that fit with that narrative?
No.
On March 13 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:
If you want to choose to continue to beat your head against a wall, that's your prerogative
That'll be up to him. If he can't argue against the points I've made, then I feel they should be sufficient to get him lynched. If anyone has any questions about the points I've made, I'm happy to answer, but I think they speak for themselves, and I think the back-and-forth between he and I just now demonstrates that he cannot refute them. If he flails some more, I'll stomp him some more. That's the way I play, it's the only way I've ever played, and the win-loss results I've gotten from playing that way are better than anyone has a right to hope for.
Peace!
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I contradict myself because my mind changes based on new scenarios and me reading new things. Is it also an explanation that I'm opportunistic and mafia? Sure. There's also the explanation I'm town and looking at new things. An example being reading moosy's posts around mechanics and his stuff today, it doesn't lead anywhere. Equally I have trouble reading slam because he doesn't post anything and now he's trying to lynch me absolutely opportunistically.
I said we shouldn't really kill Koshi yesterday and I even said his last post sounded sincere but I gave reasons to be hesitant. My preferred kill would have absolutely been slam, the person I pushed for you to stack on and all seemingly agreed about but didn't happen. I've not really seen you mention him once the entire game (you might have, it's not scummy for me to forget if you have) and it's weird because he is actually posting things. I'd like for you to explain why you don't want him lynched or comparatively what he's done that's towny.
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You're also doing the incorrect thing and not questioning me but instead talking at me. You'll never figure me out that way.
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Well, I can't say this with amazing confidence unfortunately, because my research wasn't as conclusive as I'd like. In many ways moosy is playing completely different than two years ago as either alignment. Which kinda makes sense.
However, he's not really going anywhere, which is a bit more like his scum game, especially this late in the game after so many flips have happened. It's like he's not even trying to find the scum in the unclaimed VTs. So, I think I'll stick with my feels and what I think is most likely if mafia isn't playing stupid.
It's possible that mafia doesn't choose to kill a town Moosy here to try to make him the ml, but I really wonder what the point is. Slam is an easy ml if he's town. And maximizing town kills is just better if it doesn't poe anyone scum. We could have been in mylo (I mean, technically I think we still would have played the night phase cause there was still a chance to vig shot scum or get a save off) with three kills. I just don't see why scum passes that up.
Viva creating confusion is a nice narrative but it's counter to his win condition when it's clear no one is joining him on moosy and super easy to retract and just all 'heal' koshi once it's apparent the play doesn't work.
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On March 13 2018 20:11 rsoultin wrote:
Well, I can't say this with amazing confidence unfortunately, because my research wasn't as conclusive as I'd like. In many ways moosy is playing completely different than two years ago as either alignment. Which kinda makes sense.
However, he's not really going anywhere, which is a bit more like his scum game, especially this late in the game after so many flips have happened. It's like he's not even trying to find the scum in the unclaimed VTs. So, I think I'll stick with my feels and what I think is most likely if mafia isn't playing stupid.
It's possible that mafia doesn't choose to kill a town Moosy here to try to make him the ml, but I really wonder what the point is. Slam is an easy ml if he's town. And maximizing town kills is just better if it doesn't poe anyone scum. We could have been in mylo (I mean, technically I think we still would have played the night phase cause there was still a chance to vig shot scum or get a save off) with three kills. I just don't see why scum passes that up.
Viva creating confusion is a nice narrative but it's counter to his win condition when it's clear no one is joining him on moosy and super easy to retract and just all 'heal' koshi once it's apparent the play doesn't work.
Though tbf a Viva scum could only then get two kills so maybe the frame play on Moosy makes some sense in that context. It's not super far-sighted but it doesn't have to be.
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On March 12 2018 08:19 Vivax wrote:
What is this confirmed mafia shit I keep reading about me. There is no such thing as confirmed when it's clearly wrong, So tell me that reasoning so I can walk you to the mistake.
moosy, rso, hf, slam are the remaining vt claims with 1 mafia and you better have a good reason to lynch into medics first.
^ Btw this is the post I was referring to when I said that Viva made a reaction post that felt towny to me.
I'm not going to hang my hat on it because, well, yeah. We know how this worked for me with prp lol ><
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