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@rsoul: Why are you voting Moosy? What makes Moosy scum?
I posted my case against Moosy, and you checked on my association case with him and prpl by investigating his other scum games (the ones that were more recent than the ones I'd seen him in) and told me that his behavior toward prpl in this game didn't really match with his behavior regarding his scummates in his other scum games. Weakening the association case. I didn't have to be bummed out about it though, if it just meant the case on HF is the right one instead.
You and I talked through how it's odd for Moosy not to push DF into that Noose on D1, if Moosy were scum and DF were town. We determined that the voting pattern is town-indicative for Moosy, but ONLY if DF is actually Town, and we couldn't know that for sure, so we had to throw it out.
Well now, after the N2 results, we have a new reason to trust DF, and consequently a new reason to townread Moosy. Why would you vote him out, over HF?
During N2, you said one of the reasons you'd rather get HF shot than someone else is you were afraid that if HF were the VT scum, he'd be tougher to get into a Noose than other players. As scum, he's better-than-average at talking his way out of a Noose, right? That's what the fear was, right?
On March 11 2018 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
And I need to figure out whether it should be HF or moosy @.@ I'm kind of inclined to say HF for the awful reason that I think if I'm the nk he doesn't get lynched/shot ever and autowins.
What do you think you're watching right now???
And when Moosy flips town today, do you really think it's going to get EASIER to eliminate HF, when the player opposite him on N3 is Alakaslam?
After all was said and done, and the N2 Phase wound down, you said this to HF:
On March 12 2018 07:10 rsoultin wrote:
gun to my head, I think you're the most likely non-claim to flip scum here.
You had tried to get him to explain why he was scumreading Koshi, and you didn't like his answers. You had tried to get him to explain why he was townreading Vivax (and giving him a pass for his reduced activity) and you didn't like his answers. Good reasons for HF to want you gone. Good reasons for Vivax to want you gone.
Again, that earlier quote from you says that you're especially worried that a scum HF wouldn't ever get pushed into the Noose, if YOU were no longer around to help facilitate it. "if I'm the nk" you said. Well guess what? We have reason to believe that the mafia DID try to kill you last night.
How does any of what happened on N2 make a HF/Vivax team less likely than it was before? How does any of what happened on N2 make a scum Moosy more likely than it was before? Why is your vote where it is?
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On March 13 2018 14:00 Alakaslam wrote:
So
Throwing down some unexpected plays
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Progress! Let's goooooo
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I'm not going to play anymore. Bye.
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Given you a good plan to follow tonight so if you want to lynch me then so be it.
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I mean if nk isn't scum he's pushed the most scum agenda the entire game by far. Kinda sad.
He's just used me giving scenarios for vivax being town as a mafia claim despite lecturing rsoultin a few posts before, who was doing the exact same thing when my post was a response to rsoultin.
He's used koshi's read on me/vivax to further his narrative when koshi even admits I was town for being annoying.
He's saying my big mafia plan is to lynch moosy today so I can fight it out with slam tomorrow and we never lynch vivax when my plan that I've repeatedly said today has been to lynch myself after moosy and then when medics have to kill into each other the first medic they kill is vivax.
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It's also a completely false narrative to say I've been all about killing into medics until today when vivax was most likely mafia. REALLY false narrative.
Not only did I try and get the medics onto a consensus yesterday TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN PLAN but I tried to propose plans that narrowed down the vt pool quicker to avoid this exact scenario and keep loads of confirmed town alive.
Notice how nk is pushing me without ever commenting on that plan though. The plan that would keep two already confirmed town alive and make us control the mafia medic nk he has no opinions on and still won't comment on.
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I find it hard to believe nk could ever be town. I said to myself on day 2 when rsoul posted her crap case that whoever starts to hop onto it looks like really opportune mafia in a shit spot that needs a push to latch onto and here we are. Has he ever relented? No.
Think back to every point in this game where somebody proposes a meta read on somebody else and instead of indulging it nk simply asks "is that true everybody?" and then forgets all about the read. Now look at how he treats this read on me. Rsoul gave up her push on day 2 citing that I do this as town and she's been wrong and it might mean nothing. Did he do the usual questioning then? Absolutely not. He has just pushed this forever.
Then look at when Koshi has said the same thing. "hf is town because he's so annoying and it makes me mad". That's the koshi read I look for in a town koshi and he said it. Did nk question his reads then? No.
Noobking has instead just been a static mule repeating the same rhetoric and fighting me on semantics on the level of scummyness a plan entails. He keeps writing walls of text when I point this out saying he has to show how scummy those plans are because only mafia can come up with them and we have a clear cut path to victory! Yet, when we were deciding who to medic last night NOBODY CAME UP WITH ANYTHING. Two of the medics did not want to lynch me and they didn't seem convinced. I seemed like the only player in the game who actually wanted to follow this shitty plan that's so good. Nk instead didn't care and still tried to get me medic killed instead.
Then I proposed a target. Me. His mafia read. The guy he won't stop talking about. And he just went for that guy instead?????? Where's the logic in this? Stubborn mule just sheeps his scum read to night kill who the mafia wanted to kill. Doesn't make a single bit of sense. When I called him out on it he just said "we needed a consensus obviously" but he didn't care about that previously, didn't try and night kill moosy, his other actual scum read and didn't even PROPOSE we kill moosy.
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Let me just reiterate that this is about the 4th game in a short time span where people have accused me of being mafia for pushing mafia agenda but they never look at the night kills. I'd never in a million years make these night kills.
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I also coordinated the medics onto prplhz.????
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Also I'm still stuck between moosy or slam so they need to help me out. Moosy hasn't posted a single bit of content since being back and just writes about his meta. Asked me a question about why I care about following the plan now which is a redundant question because I've already said why and narrowing the vt pool down now should theoretically be the easiest statistically speaking.
Slam is just opportunistic as fuck. He keeps just switching his vote to the flavour of the thread lynch. Day 2 it was noobking when everyone else was scum reading him. Now it's swung back and nk is writing big walls of nothing slam has jumped on me. The post slam even quotes as a change of reason doesn't even say anything that makes me mafia.
My choices are literally between a guy being opportunistic and a guy not posting content (who we should have killed yesterday).
Let's not forget noobking's argument on me is that I want to kill moosy now so it's just me against slam tomorrow BUT IF IT WAS UP TO ME SLAM WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.
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The short answer to your question nk is that moosy didn't die. That makes him or viva mafia...possibly both but that last seems less likely to me.
We can argue that scum shot him and not me. Unlikely with viva's claim to be on him.
We can argue that trying to shoot me makes my push against hf correct. That's not my experience. I get nk'd right or wrong, and when I was the only vt no one was discussing lynching? It was almost inevitable.
You repeatedly refuse to hear that HF does the things that you claim make him scum as town. That's okay in a sense cause I'd do that too if I'd convinced myself he were scum.
I like his play today. It seems like he was energized by the favorable n2 results.
I won't lynch viva unless very sure and I actually think one of his reaction posts to being called scum was pretty towny.
I'll refine my read on moosy today. And I agree that he's bad with setups regardless. I'm the one who caught rels when no one else could. But I have a theory that I want to test against the evidence. Because being bad with setups is not the same as using it as an excuse to hide behind so he doesn't have to discuss it.
Anyway, we'll see how that pans out. Hopefully before I leave for Dutch classes today.
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On March 13 2018 16:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not going to play anymore. Bye.
This was evidently a lie based on disheartening walls of text to read.
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I hate not being able to play like I used to.
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It's so shit just checking phones writing a wall of text and working just to forget half of the game. Give back dedicated mafia.
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Day 3 Vote Count
MoosyDoosy (3): Holyflare, Vivax, Alakaslam (x), rsoultin
Vivax (2): Holyflare (x), darthfoley, MoosyDoosy, rsoultin (x), n00bking (x), Fecalfeast (x), Alakaslam (x)
Holyflare (2): n00bking, Alakaslam
n00bking (1): Alakaslam (x), Fecalfeast
darthfoley (0): n00bking (x)
Not Voting (0):
MoosyDoosy currently stands as the lynch.
The deadline is Tuesday, Mar 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
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Ah that's right. A moosy lynch reveals so much info. If he's mafia it's not likely vivax is. If he's town it does.
Also strange nk doesn't want to go after his second biggest scum read and instead was trying to prep him to lynch me maybe?
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On March 13 2018 17:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ah that's right. A moosy lynch reveals so much info. If he's mafia it's not likely vivax is. If he's town it does.
Also strange nk doesn't want to go after his second biggest scum read and instead was trying to prep him to lynch me maybe?
This is admittedly something that went through my mind at 2am right after the phase started.
Well! Time for research @.@
Anyone who wants to talk has me for about two hours before I turn into a pumpkin. I'll probably have 2-3 before deadline as well, Definitely will try to be on the last hour.
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On March 13 2018 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's used koshi's read on me/vivax to further his narrative when koshi even admits I was town for being annoying.
False. Why would you even bother wasting the time to type trash like this? Everyone knows what Koshi's outgoing thoughts were, after you scumread him for awful reasons. It looks like THIS:
On March 12 2018 07:53 Koshi wrote:
HF and Vivax bois. Just lynch and vigi them. START WITH HF
Go ahead and explain how that post is Koshi "admitting you are Town." We'll wait.
On March 13 2018 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's saying my big mafia plan is to lynch moosy today so I can fight it out with slam tomorrow and we never lynch vivax when my plan that I've repeatedly said today has been to lynch myself after moosy and then when medics have to kill into each other the first medic they kill is vivax.
Your big mafia plan IS to lynch Moosy today so you can fight it out with Slam Night 3. Your Night 3 plan for when Moosy flips town is NOT to have medics kill into each other and start with Vivax. Your Night 3 plan for when Moosy flips town is to kill one of the VTs. Your plan is FF & DF on a VT claim, Vivax on rsoul, me on DF. That doesn't kill Vivax. That kills a VT claim. So after Moosy flips town, the question will be: which VT claim should be killed? You or Alakaslam? So yes, that fight with Slam is EXACTLY where your Moosy lynch leads to, which is why I was able to accurately PREDICT you would do this, before we even REACHED this Phase!
On March 13 2018 16:59 Holyflare wrote:
Not only did I try and get the medics onto a consensus yesterday TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN PLAN but I tried to propose plans that narrowed down the vt pool quicker to avoid this exact scenario and keep loads of confirmed town alive.
You DID NOT want the medics to follow the plan. The plan was to kill one of the VT claims. You tried to KEEP us from following that plan, with not one, but TWO ideas that would have been WORSE. First you suggested a plan that had the medics killing each other, and when I (and Koshi, and rsoul) shouted you down, you next came up with your plan that all of the medics heal separate targets, rendering all of them useless and giving the mafia a clean killshot at ZERO risk. BOTH of your plans gave the mafia NEW ways to win that they wouldn't otherwise have. Koshi wanted us to have a consensus and follow the plan. So did rsoul. So did I. YOU, however, offered TWO alternatives that would have been worse than following the plan, and did not acquiesce until the Phase was nearly over.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
I said to myself on day 2 when rsoul posted her crap case that whoever starts to hop onto it looks like really opportune mafia in a shit spot that needs a push to latch onto and here we are.
My case against you involves a ton of different things beyond what she initially disliked about your play. Trying to pretend that what I'm doing here is "hopping onto" the case she made is absurd, and I expect she'd be happy to tell you so herself.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Think back to every point in this game where somebody proposes a meta read on somebody else and instead of indulging it nk simply asks "is that true everybody?" and then forgets all about the read. Now look at how he treats this read on me. Rsoul gave up her push on day 2 citing that I do this as town and she's been wrong and it might mean nothing. Did he do the usual questioning then? Absolutely not. He has just pushed this forever.
You seem confused. The answer to your question isn't "Absolutely not." The answer to your question is "Yes." Of course I did the usual questioning then. rsoul saying "you do this as town" was about only a SINGLE element of the case against you. It is not a counter-point to ANY of the many OTHER things I have presented that make you scum. You seem so proud of repeating over and over again that she "gave up her push" on you. I guess you forgot how even at the end of N2, she STILL told you yet again (as I just quoted a few posts up) that she thinks you're the VT claim who is most likely to flip scum?
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Then look at when Koshi has said the same thing. "hf is town because he's so annoying and it makes me mad". That's the koshi read I look for in a town koshi and he said it.
Boy, you've made TWO problems for yourself in this one. Firstly, if that's the read you look for in a town koshi, and he said it, then why did you still want him DEAD? lol And secondly, in the post you mention about you making him mad (which you did NOT quote verbatim, because it does NOT say "hf is town"), that SAME post also included THIS:
On March 11 2018 22:48 Koshi wrote:
If only I die. Lynch HF.
Is THAT clear enough for you? If not, go back to the quote from him above, where he exited the game saying that he believes the scum team is you and Vivax, and that we should lynch YOU first.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
when we were deciding who to medic last night NOBODY CAME UP WITH ANYTHING. Two of the medics did not want to lynch me and they didn't seem convinced. I seemed like the only player in the game who actually wanted to follow this shitty plan that's so good. Nk instead didn't care and still tried to get me medic killed instead.
False. Medics came up with things. They just didn't all come up with the same thing. It's complete bullshit to say I "didn't care" about following the plan, and tried to get you medic killed "instead." I tried to get you medic killed BY following the plan. YOU were one of the viable targets for the plan. I tried to make you the kill. When the other medics would not cooperate, I fell in line and followed the plan ANYWAY, even though I didn't get the target I wanted. I NEVER suggested going outside the plan, and using a worse idea instead. That was YOU. TWICE.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Then I proposed a target. Me. His mafia read. The guy he won't stop talking about. And he just went for that guy instead?????? Where's the logic in this? Stubborn mule just sheeps his scum read to night kill who the mafia wanted to kill. Doesn't make a single bit of sense. When I called him out on it he just said "we needed a consensus obviously" but he didn't care about that previously, didn't try and night kill moosy, his other actual scum read and didn't even PROPOSE we kill moosy.
All lies, top to bottom. Your "proposed target" had already BEEN proposed BEFORE you did it. Acting like I was "sheeping my scum read" is complete horseshit. Yes I said we needed a consensus. Yes, I DID care about that previously (and EVERY step of the way). Yes, I would have participated in a consensus on Slam, but it was because that was at least better than taking the consensus on Koshi who YOU were so spectacularly "wrong" to label as the scum VT. YES, I proposed a kill on Moosy, and when we neared the deadline, I directly asked DF if he was on board for the Moosy kill. I made my preferred kill order PLAINLY obvious for everyone. OBSERVE:
On March 12 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote:
Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam
Anyone who goes back and reads N2 will see that I consistently and clearly argued for the consensus (since that WAS the plan) and they'll all see that I clearly gave a preferred kill order. Who did I NOT want to kill, of the VTs? Koshi and rsoul. Who did YOU want dead, of the VTs? Koshi. What allegiance was he? Town.
On March 13 2018 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
I also coordinated the medics onto prplhz.????
lol, who didn't? There was universal agreement for the medics to coordinate on prplhz, AFTER I shut down Vivax's suggestion of splitting the medics. I stopped him from screwing things up N1 just like I stopped you from screwing things up N2. Thank goodness I'm around to stop the 2 players who try to give the mafia an advantage. And though Vivax said he had a bad feeling that prplhz was gonna flip town, DF said that given the low activity in the game there probably wasn't time to safely change the target, the kill stuck, and prplhz died.
On March 13 2018 17:28 Holyflare wrote:
Let's not forget noobking's argument on me is that I want to kill moosy now so it's just me against slam tomorrow BUT IF IT WAS UP TO ME SLAM WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.
lol, that's just ONE of my many arguments against you. I don't think you'll be fooling anyone into actually believing you wanted Slam killed instead of Koshi, when you repeatedly fingered Koshi as the VT scum. And if you wish Slam was already dead, then by what sorcery did your Day 3 vote end up on Moosy instead, after I plainly predicted that after killing town koshi, you would then try to have Moosy lynched on Day 3, EVEN THOUGH you'd been consistently townreading Moosy for Phase after Phase? Isn't it amazing how I can say "Here is how HF will later contradict himself if he's scum" and then everyone gets to see it happen?
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On March 13 2018 17:34 Holyflare wrote:This was evidently a lie
Evidently so. I guess your partner wouldn't give you permission to scoop? But don't worry, if that post from you was a lie, it fits right in with your other posts.
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