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On March 13 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:
And also I didn't convince vivax and ff to vote koshi. They are independent thinkers
Oh, right. I guess that explains why FF returned to the thread after the deadline for actions, and said that he healed Koshi, and that if Koshi doesn't flip mafia then "I got played by HF"
L...O...L
On March 13 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:
I think Koshi was a perfect choice, I even outlined his contradictions and posted reasons why he was a good lynch UNTIL he gave me pause for thought towards eod where not one medic was trying to consolidate.
Just MORE of your lies. DF and I were both trying to consolidate. Which again, will be clear to anyone who re-reads the EoN, just as it will be clear to them that you didn't *really* want the kill to switch away from Koshi.
Keep bringing your bullshit. Swatting it away feels effortless for me.
I'll be getting some sleep now, but when I return tomorrow, if there's any more of this crap from you, I'll swat that away too.
Gotta say, if you deserve the reputation for being a decent scum player that people here seem to afford you...then this is NOT your best work.
Peace and hair grease, Mr. Mafioso.
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Looked into moosys past mafia games and got the feeling that this isn't one of them. Meh. Even if he's playing as well as he did in NSM Firefly, his posts feel more chill and natural in this one whereas in firefly he seems more antsy and serious for most of the time.
Once again, I might have to start considering that HF can be mafia. Hard times we live in.
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But yeah he's town.
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People going to call me crazy once again but...HF do you think it isn't a good play for rsoultin and DF to get themselves "confirmed" tonight by wasting a shot?
Cause I don't get at all how mafia attacks a VT and DF sees it coming. It all fits too well to be true.
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The outcome of such a ploy is obvious all that is going to happen afterwards if people buy into it is that town exclusively attack town for the rest of the game.
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On March 13 2018 21:41 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:
And also I didn't convince vivax and ff to vote koshi. They are independent thinkers Oh, right. I guess that explains why FF returned to the thread after the deadline for actions, and said that he healed Koshi, and that if Koshi doesn't flip mafia then "I got played by HF" L...O...L Show nested quote +On March 13 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:
I think Koshi was a perfect choice, I even outlined his contradictions and posted reasons why he was a good lynch UNTIL he gave me pause for thought towards eod where not one medic was trying to consolidate. Just MORE of your lies. DF and I were both trying to consolidate. Which again, will be clear to anyone who re-reads the EoN, just as it will be clear to them that you didn't *really* want the kill to switch away from Koshi. Keep bringing your bullshit. Swatting it away feels effortless for me. I'll be getting some sleep now, but when I return tomorrow, if there's any more of this crap from you, I'll swat that away too. Gotta say, if you deserve the reputation for being a decent scum player that people here seem to afford you...then this is NOT your best work. Peace and hair grease, Mr. Mafioso.
Is English your first language? You know it's more nuanced than the blunt words you are using right. Just because FF said he got played by HF does not mean I convinced him to vote Koshi. It can also mean that he thinks I'm town and got played into voting koshi by not following you and healing someone not me. Koshi was his choice following Vivax.
I would not make posts on page 11 of my filter urging people to consolidate and typing in all caps if it looked like any of the medics were consolidating.
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On March 13 2018 21:48 Vivax wrote:
People going to call me crazy once again but...HF do you think it isn't a good play for rsoultin and DF to get themselves "confirmed" tonight by wasting a shot?
Cause I don't get at all how mafia attacks a VT and DF sees it coming. It all fits too well to be true.
It's possible but not worth thinking about until tonight where you need to get all the medics to follow a set plan. I have also tinfoiled this but with slam just voting me now and moosy just posting meta and mechanics I can't really think about a rsoultin mafia world.
I don't know why you've suddenly backtracked on moosy either. I want you to link the games you've read that made you change your mind and a short sentence from each game on why it's different.
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On March 13 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2018 21:48 Vivax wrote:
People going to call me crazy once again but...HF do you think it isn't a good play for rsoultin and DF to get themselves "confirmed" tonight by wasting a shot?
Cause I don't get at all how mafia attacks a VT and DF sees it coming. It all fits too well to be true. It's possible but not worth thinking about until tonight where you need to get all the medics to follow a set plan. I have also tinfoiled this but with slam just voting me now and moosy just posting meta and mechanics I can't really think about a rsoultin mafia world. I don't know why you've suddenly backtracked on moosy either. I want you to link the games you've read that made you change your mind and a short sentence from each game on why it's different.
Alright chief.
4 scum games in total. Modkilled in 2, lynched day 1 in 1, survived in 1. From database so you know where to look.
From his worst one:
On June 25 2016 08:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Let me be honest with you qt.
Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2.
Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn  why you gotta be like this i'm just a moose tryna live his life.
On June 25 2016 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
should i name the rest of the people that aren't on my team?
On June 25 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not? neeeeveeer. But to be serious, we generally pass the BS stage when someone really presses an issue or like 6 hrs before deadline.
On June 25 2016 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:49 emperorchampion wrote:On June 25 2016 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 08:44 emperorchampion wrote:On June 25 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I kinda only want to lynch the people I don't know. Think I caught the Chez virus CAN'T LYNCH FRIENDS wooow let's be friends  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4XY9bZY.gif) I hope you don't put our friendship near your butt, ew. oh g0d I really want shapelog to post some gifs about now.
With his worst game he never took the game seriously and spent these posts and a whole bunch more just trolling and making jokes.
With his arguably best game he racked up 36 pages of filter. He has his occasional trolly posts there as well. What he lacks are instead sensible posts and a good feeling for his own progression. It's hard for me to sum it up in words rn but also his way of posting arguments for people being scum looks different. But he is capable of making huge case posts as a side note.
This might not be the best example but I hope it displays what I mean with feeling for his own progression. It is a handicap that I don't know the context of firefly, but in the case below you can at least see that in his mafia game, the only instance where he relates what someone else did to his own actions is "he didn't refute my points". In this game, he can sum up every instance that pushed his read towards a direction by a tick. Bolded it for you. Either way, it reads authentic compared to his mafia game.
On September 10 2015 01:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 00:45 NocturneMage wrote:On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn). On September 09 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 05:48 NocturneMage wrote:On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn). you misunderstood. I don't mean copcake bussing rayn. I mean copcake bussing gb. I know where you are getting the sentiment of copcake buddying to rayn but that's not what I'm discussing. I agree her list post is overall terrible. I agree her overall gameplay has been terrible. however I'm not debating this. that wasnt' up for debate. that's why I looked at her even closer because we're in the world where gb flips red because it's generally NOT likely scum bus d1. but I am asking you to consider the mitigating factors that don't make sense from a mafia perspective. namely what I bolded in my wall of text. yes i was talking about copcake busing gb. look at her filter. she literally scum read or null read everyone except for the town leader. how are you supposed to make an association off of that l0l. On September 09 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote:
that aside md....
if there is no parallel game where copcake has a history of bussing early I have to assume she bussed too early for a normal mafia play. that is unlikely.
the only other way she'd be more likely mafia is poe. like the remaining players bleed town or something.
so this said, can you explain looking at my filter dive, the motivation for copcake drawing attention to a scum partner
(1) prematurely in the cycle
(2) calling him out for claiming too late and not giving time to think
(3) voting a partner over a mislynch that nearly everyone was on board with
this is what doesn't add up ok so i mistook copcake for someone else. that is my bad. take the filter dive again. look at who she townreads and who she scumreads and then try to make that argument again. You said this not once, not twice but three times when I repeated the mitigating factors multiple times. On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia. What changed? Why is my argument only valid now? I did not add anything to my argument since yesterday. Nothing changed. I acknowledge that it's weird that CopCake would have pointed out GB that early although her points against him were very weak in the first place and might as well not be there. Things that I still dislike about this whole affair is that she hasn't refuted any points that I presented, dodges around questions aimed at her, solely spouts rayn sentiment, and is basically relying on rayn to stay alive at this point in time. Despite how she may have pointed out GB earlier, that's still just one weak point against a whole host of others. The only reason that she's probably not refuting any points and having thread presence is because doing so might just incriminate her more and she's relying on rayn anyway.
On March 07 2018 12:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback. The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI? I think she's town because she's broadening discussion without stifling it. I don't see any motivation for mafia to do that. Are you even reading the quotes I'm linking...? Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:23 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"? I asked that and I asked this: Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also do you have anything at all Tube? Arguments, defense, possible list of scum...? Because I wanted to see what you would do. And while I agree with what others have said in that your tone has gotten better, you look like you're effectively just throwing shit at the wall trying to see if it will stick instead of actually trying. Instead of actually searching for Mafia, it looks like you're trying to get on the same page with AMG to cater to him because he offered you a life rope. Instead of reading the quotes I linked you, you're asking me a question which I answer in said quotes where I specifically ask for feedback. Instead of not asking me the same question someone already has (n00bKing) and which I've addressed with someone else (Fecalfeast), you ask me it again.I doubt you're actually trying and while your posts entering were tonally good, it reads to me atm like you're just trying to get anything to stick.
Summa summarum the post above looks to me like real thoughts and compared to his mafia game it looks to me like he is being less bureaucratic in explicating his scumread and relates it more to how he feels about the response.
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On March 12 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote:
to be clear, I think Vivax is scum not just because of last night. Rather, because his defense today has seemed all over the place trying to throw theories at the wall to see what sticks. Plus my case against him regarding his interactions/read progression on prplhz D1 that only Koshi seemed to read and Vivax never even tried to defend himself against.
I also agree with n00bking that today wasn't gonna be an auto lynch. I mean yesterday wasn't an auto lynch but you still had people like Vivax and Moosy who kept talking about how they have no interest in the game considering it's a mechanics based solution.
Tbh this stuff on me feels a lot like the things moosy was saying about cop in his mafia game.
I know meta, from different players on top of it isn't really an argument but the analogy caught my eye since "he didn't refute my points" is an argument df is using as well.
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Just to confirm. You healed moosy right?
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I think you'd be better off glossing over moosys games yourself and seeing if you reach the same conclusion though.
Cause me presenting it to you is more work and more prone to not being able to convey my point sufficiently or correctly.
Putting down a sum of impressions into a post using selected posts isn't that easy.
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I was just checking if you were bull shitting for the sake of your partner mainly.
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I don't know really.
Noobkings obstinacy on you shifted me towards him being town as of late. FF stays at roughly the same spot cause I can't tell if he's being lazy cause irl like he claims or cause of the shitty start mafia had.
I think I'd be crazy enough to want to flip rsoultin today.
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I mean if she flips scum the game is solved 100%
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Do you even scumread me? Because from what I can tell this is associative with an unflipped medic and frankly if y'all lynch me after I was saved last night, whoever is town in this game 100% deserves the loss.
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No I don't but it's otherwise just retarded that mafia would shoot you when they should shoot into the medics since it's a pool that wasn't going to get smaller in the next couple of days.
By shooting you it's like they wanted us to get closer to the mafia claiming VT which doesn't make sense so that only leaves cred shot as scenario.
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Moreover I really have no clue how anyone this game thinks I could be scum over moosy and slam. My ego says over hf as well. But regardless it's pretty ridiculous.
I'll admit I'm not super sure on moosy being scum, but I really have no clue how you could be that sure he's town either when, assuming you are town and healed him, to you he has to be scum barring some pretty strange play from the scum team.
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On March 14 2018 00:25 Vivax wrote:
No I don't but it's otherwise just retarded that mafia would shoot you when they should shoot into the medics since it's a pool that wasn't going to get smaller in the next couple of days.
By shooting you it's like they wanted us to get closer to the mafia claiming VT which doesn't make sense so that only leaves cred shot as scenario.
Lol >< well I'm town so if y'all want to go down this wifom tinfoil path just to prove that a person you're not scumreading is actually town and was actually saved last night, just because you don't understand why scum doesn't shoot into the smaller medic pool where no one was wholly above suspicion...
Like it almost sounds to me like your ego is hurt >< rofl
I normally blame myself for being mislynched but that should legit be nominated.
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