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Because I simply do not have a strong scum read that I want to lynch other than Kmatt and even then I'm not perfectly sure that he's mafia because he could just be a really afk looking towny. I'm TRYING to get people to talk about who they'd want to lynch because that's the VERY REAL reality that will happen after this cycle. Instead of wasting time twiddling thumbs I'm trying to get people to actively engage and get their reasoning for who they'd lynch next into the thread so that when push comes to shove they actually have to commit to something and have more words in the thread.
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Like, you basically say "Hey, I have not tried to mislynch someone, instead I'm just talking to people, so don't lynch me." I'm not a big fan of circlejerking around your lynch because if you flip town, it'll really suck. But then again - rsoultin and Kelsier had you as scum early on and both are dead. + Show Spoiler [here] +On January 19 2018 07:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
I will try to organise my thoughts in a concise why.
Main issue is the damdred discussion. The impression I get is that damerion has a meta read that he is very proud of but in those situations you have to be careful not to get too excited and see the read everywhere. I think this may be the case, especially with how early he came out with it. I believe damerion mentioned damdred going on df with "ferocity". That's where he lost if for me. I didn't see damdred being ferocious at all. In fact I didn't feel he was really pushing a scum read that hard.
I don't know where I have damdred, he has done things I like and things I don't like. For damerion...Is he misguided overeager town or scum...probably over eager town.
I think Twaty and rsoultin are both town. I've agreed with most everything that Tina has said and I knew she would like costa. They both post in similair style. Costa's enthusiasm is enough for a tone read pass D1.
my scummy reads come from people who agree on the damdred wagon when they should probably know better. I think hf questioning damdred on his df and costa both being scum was bad. To me that was a guy giving two people who in his opinion have made questionable posts. Not considering partners at that stage. Rels is similar as a guy who has popped up with some one liners and then latched onto this damdred read.
I don't like Mderg I think his disappointment at the thread felt fake and his 10 page hf point was not my experience of hf at all. In general I have disagreed with almost everything he said apart from his agreement that damerion is just too aggro. So I could see Mderg knowing both damdred and damerion are town and trying to get some credit later...maybe im just biased with that .
Right now i'd lynch HF, rels, Mderg and prplhz because his 2 day afk is just bullshit.
I like kmatt but just because his 4d chess comment was really funny.
Sorry this turned into a ramble. God I spoke too soon. ♡! I just want to townread you forever for the awful reason of being in my headspace, even on things I haven't commented on. Or not so awful reason. Do I finally get a game with an active town ksc again?
You also were on the Damdred wagon D1 with Damerion early on, which makes it perfectly possible that you guys decided to roleblock me. You could've hammered me. Hm, I think that's actually a super weak argument.
D3:
prplhz (4): Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt, Holyflare
Damerion (3): Rels, rsoultin, mderg
So you're voting prplhz instead of Damerion claiming prphlz is the "scum vig" and it's 100% sure and so on
On January 23 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'll lynch Damerion tomorrow after we get rid of the mafia vig today ok?
On January 23 2018 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
His complete lack of seeming availability? I'm not saying he's not mafia I'm just saying prplhz is definitely mafia whereas Damerion has a sliver of hope. So I'd rather get the definitive mafia out of the way.
Aaaand Tina lol
On January 23 2018 19:02 rsoultin wrote:Lol >< the only thing I have going for you is a weak tonal read based on...nothing much more than gut. Assuming I'm right on Damerion, I don't even know where to begin on a third scum. The game is so dead. My head says you. I really need town to start posting and solving :/ I think we have one more free mislynch before being wrong becomes a scum win?
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but my true reason why I'm ok with an HF lynch is actually dumb
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I can see HF being scum. I can also see KMatt being scum. And Mocsta. And JAT.
And out of these four, I think HF is the most capable scum player so I want him to be dead first.
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On January 23 2018 20:44 rsoultin wrote:
The facts don't make holyflare look town @.@
But then this happens
And Tina dies
And HF jumps on Damerion
But scum!HF would never ever roleblock afk!btdt twice in a fucking row
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On January 28 2018 10:14 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. That's not an actual argument though. There's only one scummer left so scum's first goal right there is survival, not active mislynches. As town, you're not supposed to "paint someone scummy". You're supposed to genuinely read a person and try to find out the alignment. You say "I'm pro-town because I am not painting someone else as scummy just to survive". Yeah, okay, granted, but you're also not giving out genuine reads then. If you'll be confirmed by death, why not try to actually convince people into lynching your strongest scumread after you're dead? But survival is through active mislynches, no?
the issue i have with looking too far beyond that is it fosters a sense of distrust where it may not be necessarily; and in some ways is even detrimental. Our goal is still the same though, end this ASAP. This cycle appears unlikely, so next.
Now, I do think HF is being the most sincere he has been all game.
The tone of everything is quite different at his "deathbed" for lack of a better word.
Its a case of, once I flip, read through knowing you can trust this rational point of view that.
Therefore, the main thing i want to know at this point is who town!holyflare thinks should be primarily finger of suspicion tomorrow.
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Kmatt has two pages of filter and he's obsessed with me. And I got roleblocked twice.
Kmatt was also hesistant to lynch Damerion. He expressed it but let the lynch pass. That's what indecisive scum would do.
On January 26 2018 09:13 Kmatt wrote:
Could you link me the game where town ignores cop's check? That takes a special kind of stupid.
I'm not above voting him though, he's been on my list anyway. In fact I don't think he's ever not someone I want to lynch.
Let me rephrase that: "It takes a special kind of stupid to ignore a cop check". Which is harsh. But he's totes down to lynching the guy because "he's on the list anyways"? What is this post even?
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On January 28 2018 10:26 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 10:14 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. That's not an actual argument though. There's only one scummer left so scum's first goal right there is survival, not active mislynches. As town, you're not supposed to "paint someone scummy". You're supposed to genuinely read a person and try to find out the alignment. You say "I'm pro-town because I am not painting someone else as scummy just to survive". Yeah, okay, granted, but you're also not giving out genuine reads then. If you'll be confirmed by death, why not try to actually convince people into lynching your strongest scumread after you're dead? But survival is through active mislynches, no?the issue i have with looking too far beyond that is it fosters a sense of distrust where it may not be necessarily; and in some ways is even detrimental. Our goal is still the same though, end this ASAP. This cycle appears unlikely, so next. Now, I do think HF is being the most sincere he has been all game. The tone of everything is quite different at his "deathbed" for lack of a better word. Its a case of, once I flip, read through knowing you can trust this rational point of view that. Therefore, the main thing i want to know at this point is who town!holyflare thinks should be primarily finger of suspicion tomorrow.
I guess it's semantics, but not necessarily active mislynches. You can also kinda sit back and let the game happen, watch town eat itself, which is happening just now in case HF is town  .
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On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +to answer on the actual matter:
I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too.
I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did. So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later.
Mostly.
On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree.
You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game.
You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be.
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On January 28 2018 09:45 mderg wrote:
To me it sounds like you care quite a bit about being lynched
yep
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On January 28 2018 10:14 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. That's not an actual argument though. There's only one scummer left so scum's first goal right there is survival, not active mislynches. As town, you're not supposed to "paint someone scummy". You're supposed to genuinely read a person and try to find out the alignment. You say "I'm pro-town because I am not painting someone else as scummy just to survive". Yeah, okay, granted, but you're also not giving out genuine reads then. If you'll be confirmed by death, why not try to actually convince people into lynching your strongest scumread after you're dead?
yep too
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On January 28 2018 10:23 beentheredonethat wrote:Like, you basically say "Hey, I have not tried to mislynch someone, instead I'm just talking to people, so don't lynch me." I'm not a big fan of circlejerking around your lynch because if you flip town, it'll really suck. But then again - rsoultin and Kelsier had you as scum early on and both are dead. + Show Spoiler [here] +On January 19 2018 07:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
I will try to organise my thoughts in a concise why.
Main issue is the damdred discussion. The impression I get is that damerion has a meta read that he is very proud of but in those situations you have to be careful not to get too excited and see the read everywhere. I think this may be the case, especially with how early he came out with it. I believe damerion mentioned damdred going on df with "ferocity". That's where he lost if for me. I didn't see damdred being ferocious at all. In fact I didn't feel he was really pushing a scum read that hard.
I don't know where I have damdred, he has done things I like and things I don't like. For damerion...Is he misguided overeager town or scum...probably over eager town.
I think Twaty and rsoultin are both town. I've agreed with most everything that Tina has said and I knew she would like costa. They both post in similair style. Costa's enthusiasm is enough for a tone read pass D1.
my scummy reads come from people who agree on the damdred wagon when they should probably know better. I think hf questioning damdred on his df and costa both being scum was bad. To me that was a guy giving two people who in his opinion have made questionable posts. Not considering partners at that stage. Rels is similar as a guy who has popped up with some one liners and then latched onto this damdred read.
I don't like Mderg I think his disappointment at the thread felt fake and his 10 page hf point was not my experience of hf at all. In general I have disagreed with almost everything he said apart from his agreement that damerion is just too aggro. So I could see Mderg knowing both damdred and damerion are town and trying to get some credit later...maybe im just biased with that .
Right now i'd lynch HF, rels, Mderg and prplhz because his 2 day afk is just bullshit.
I like kmatt but just because his 4d chess comment was really funny.
Sorry this turned into a ramble. God I spoke too soon. ♡! I just want to townread you forever for the awful reason of being in my headspace, even on things I haven't commented on. Or not so awful reason. Do I finally get a game with an active town ksc again? You also were on the Damdred wagon D1 with Damerion early on, which makes it perfectly possible that you guys decided to roleblock me. You could've hammered me. Hm, I think that's actually a super weak argument. D3: prplhz (4): Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt, Holyflare Damerion (3): Rels, rsoultin, mderg So you're voting prplhz instead of Damerion claiming prphlz is the "scum vig" and it's 100% sure and so on Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'll lynch Damerion tomorrow after we get rid of the mafia vig today ok? Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
His complete lack of seeming availability? I'm not saying he's not mafia I'm just saying prplhz is definitely mafia whereas Damerion has a sliver of hope. So I'd rather get the definitive mafia out of the way. Aaaand Tina lol Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 19:02 rsoultin wrote:On January 23 2018 18:16 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm mafia this game. Lol >< the only thing I have going for you is a weak tonal read based on...nothing much more than gut. Assuming I'm right on Damerion, I don't even know where to begin on a third scum. The game is so dead. My head says you. I really need town to start posting and solving :/ I think we have one more free mislynch before being wrong becomes a scum win?
I never said this and will never say it. I'm telling you to lynch me and ignore me but talk about other people.
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I guess lynching HF/Kmatt and hoping the best in terms of the missing claimgame is all we have to do for now?
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On January 28 2018 10:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote:to answer on the actual matter:
I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too.
I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did. So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later. Mostly. Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game. You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be.
This is quite factually incorrect. You are the one that keeps harping on about the game where I dodged a red check as mafia and that game is the one where I yell and kick and scream down to the last wire trying to switch the lynch onto someone else. I have also never once said to switch the vote off me and implore people not to switch votes. You will be exposed as time goes by, no worries about that.
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You keep referencing me discrediting you but all you have done for the past 4 pages of your filter is discredit me rels. It doesn't matter if you THINK I'm mafia, I'm NOT mafia. So, instead of doing what you're doing and sniping non-stop and shit posting how about talking with me like a rational adult and talking about Kmatt, Mocsta, btdt, Jat, Mderg.
You WILL be wrong so there's absolutely nothing wrong with going through the points on them and discussing them. Everything you've mentioned on them is weak and you WILL have to look at them next cycle in more depth so you may as well do it now when I'm alive and can pick your points apart. What you've posted so far is unbelievably weak.
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lol
closing a lynch on scum!HF is so annoying - -'
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On January 28 2018 10:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 10:33 Rels wrote:On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote:to answer on the actual matter:
I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too.
I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did. So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later. Mostly. On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game. You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be. This is quite factually incorrect. You are the one that keeps harping on about the game where I dodged a red check as mafia and that game is the one where I yell and kick and scream down to the last wire trying to switch the lynch onto someone else. I have also never once said to switch the vote off me and implore people not to switch votes. You will be exposed as time goes by, no worries about that.
I am just going to pre-emptively say that rels is going to waste his time going to this game and disproving it as if it means something and it's a colossal waste of time because you SHOULD be lynching me and also SHOULD be talking about other people.
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stop throwing potshots at me and I'll stop "discrediting you" when I respond to them. If you ask me a question I will answer it. Let's end it here otherwise
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On January 28 2018 10:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 10:50 Holyflare wrote:On January 28 2018 10:33 Rels wrote:On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote:to answer on the actual matter:
I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too.
I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did. So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later. Mostly. On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game. You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be. This is quite factually incorrect. You are the one that keeps harping on about the game where I dodged a red check as mafia and that game is the one where I yell and kick and scream down to the last wire trying to switch the lynch onto someone else. I have also never once said to switch the vote off me and implore people not to switch votes. You will be exposed as time goes by, no worries about that. I am just going to pre-emptively say that rels is going to waste his time going to this game and disproving it as if it means something and it's a colossal waste of time because you SHOULD be lynching me and also SHOULD be talking about other people.
good.
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