EPTINnoVation: The Road to BlizzCon - Rank 1 - Page 5
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Blizzcon has always been the one major area that he flops in. | ||
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p1cass0
46 Posts
On October 26 2017 04:39 curufinwe_wins wrote: I know people are kinda "obsessed" with titles... but consistency is much more impressive to me than title wins. There is a reason why Stats is first in WCS standing. But anyways, if you want to say that only Stats could challenge the year Innovation has had, that would be a fair assessment. After those two the next best is way down the list. But I just found it rather ludicrous to claim that Innovation had far and away the best year (or even close to the most consistent year, which just isn't true). What Stats really lacks to be the Player Of the Year (before the Finals) is his winrate, aka the overall performance on the most basic level. He has a winrate over 10% below INno and 350 less Aligulac points, which is significant (at least two levels gap). After all, Stats has half the trophies, two levels behind in the basic statistic, but only a very slight advantage in the middle (GSLvsWorld contributes no WCS points, but the champion worths at least 3000). In this case I won't say Stats has a more consistent year. | ||
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PuddleZerg
United States82 Posts
On October 25 2017 22:39 Olli wrote: People who never contributed anything in their life have nothing better to do than find anything to shit on at all. What else is new? Is that what people told you you were like when you said you wanted to be a writer? | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 25 2017 22:48 Charoisaur wrote: The thing that confused me was that TY for example has the title "TY - Second Sunrise - rank 7 - Road to Blizzcon" The road to blizzcon in the end is missing in this title which is why I thought it was just written before the rank instead and the statement about the player is missing. No need to get overly defensive here. This is as valid and respectful comment/criticism one can make. Sometimes I wonder why TL staff and writers are too sensitive and defensive to this. It is clear as day, others have a sort of blurby run on on their title (in this format: Name: hype subtitle - rank - Road to Blizzcon). INnoVation's does not, and it is a fair question to ask why? Did the writers and editors forget? Then correct it! There is no way, if only for the sake of consistency, that the current title is satisfactory. It's not even a matter of taste. We are just holding the article to the standard you imposed upon yourselves. (I recall there was an article earlier with a controversial title as well - something about TB Shoutcraft wool pulled over our eyes. With or without malice intended, the title creates confusion and unintended inaccuracy, and should be edited. Any 2-bit editor knows that first thing on the job.) Now to the important part, despite the deficiency in the title, the content itself was an awesome read. It could use some editing help to make it less bloated and more precise with language, but still artful without sounding specious. Great content though. Thanks! | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
Poll: Right now, before Blizzcon, is INnoVation GOAT already? No (59) Yes (51) 110 total votes Your vote: Right now, before Blizzcon, is INnoVation GOAT already? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
If Inno wins Blizzcon though, I can virtually guarantee that Tastosis and the rest of the casters will proclaim Inno the undisputed GOAT and anoint him on spot, right there on the grand stage at Blizzcon while he lifts the trophy and confetti swirls all around. Should that occur, anyone denying that Inno is GOAT after that will just be inviting public ridicule. Nobody wants to listen to dusty quibbling about the long-forgotten achievements of long-retired players, not when there is a World Champion being crowned atop a hill of other trophies after having beaten the best players in the world on the biggest stage. Standing against all the weight of hype and momentum in a moment like that is impossible. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 26 2017 09:16 pvsnp wrote: Currently, a legitimate argument can be made for multiple people being GOAT. Inno is one of them, but there are others too. Artosis, for instance, was rhetorically asking if Inno was GOAT after he won GSL for the third time and tied Mvp. If Inno wins Blizzcon though, I can virtually guarantee that Tastosis and the rest of the casters will proclaim Inno the undisputed GOAT and anoint him on spot, right there on the grand stage at Blizzcon while he lifts the trophy and confetti swirls all around. Should that occur, anyone denying that Inno is GOAT after that will just be inviting public ridicule. Standing against all the weight of hype and momentum in a moment like that is impossible. Good point. Right now, who is INnoVation still competing against for GOAT? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 26 2017 09:22 Twinkle Toes wrote: Good point. Right now, who is INnoVation still competing against for GOAT? Most everyone that doesn't think Inno is GOAT are instead supporting Mvp. A few others claim Life, but he never had enough Starleagues to be GOAT imo. Blizzcon is Inno's change to seize the crown of GOAT in dramatic fashion, while all the world watches in awe, but it's hardly as though Mvp and/or Life are still adding trophies to their cabinets. Even if Inno doesn't win Blizzcon, he just has to bide his time and keep winning. At his current pace, becoming GOAT is inevitable. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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col_jung
139 Posts
Ps met him at GSL a month ago. Very little emotion in our quick exchange.. machine ftw haha. Pic with INno and Dark: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159478166455319 Video: Sorry for posting this around so much. Meeting some of these players irl has been a dream for me. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On October 26 2017 08:33 Twinkle Toes wrote: [+ Show Spoiler + Poll: Right now, before Blizzcon, is INnoVation GOAT already? No (59) Yes (51) 110 total votes Your vote: Right now, before Blizzcon, is INnoVation GOAT already? Poll: If INnoVation wins Blizzcon, does he become undisputed GOAT? Yes (76) No (36) 112 total votes Your vote: If INnoVation wins Blizzcon, does he become undisputed GOAT? Only argument I see is for Life mayyybe being over him atm. Life was far more impactful in terms of innovation, has a slight advantage in peak performance (that late 2014- quarter 2 2015 streak was unreal), had his heyday when the competition was more fierce and has won 1/2 Blizzcon finals. Still, have to lean towards the Machine at this point though. As for Mvp, as much as I love him, he has no shot in hell at being #1. He loses out big time in terms of longevity. Bogus has been a top-tier player for 3 iterations of sc2 now and is rapidly acquiring premiere wins. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On October 26 2017 10:13 Morbidius wrote: Innovation can't be the GOAT because competition died, all he can be is the king of ashes. What are you even talking about ? Inno was dominating when the game was the most competitive (2013-2015). It'd be more appropriate if you talk about MVP that way since during his era, he was competing against much less opponents than guys like Rain, Life, Parting, Dark, sOs, Classic ... i can't even name them all. They are much better than Fruit dealer, Nestee or MMA, period. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On October 26 2017 14:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Only argument I see is for Life mayyybe being over him atm. Life was far more impactful in terms of innovation, has a slight advantage in peak performance (that late 2014- quarter 2 2015 streak was unreal), had his heyday when the competition was more fierce and has won 1/2 Blizzcon finals. Still, have to lean towards the Machine at this point though. As for Mvp, as much as I love him, he has no shot in hell at being #1. He loses out big time in terms of longevity. Bogus has been a top-tier player for 3 iterations of sc2 now and is rapidly acquiring premiere wins. What was Life's innovation tbh ? He invented nothing but mass ling plus very aggressive play that not many Zerg players were able to copy. On other hand, Inno's 3CC into parade push became gold standard of TvZ for all levels of play while his double Raven opening is also one of the most popular TvT build atm. Talking about Life's day, even when he was on peak, he still went toe to toe with Inno while 2012-2013 InnoVation was so far ahead of any Zerg player. Remember Inno won 2 GSLs and WCS finals in the highest skill era. | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
Life robbed his own career and dug his own grave, he was not robbed by anyone. | ||
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DSh1
292 Posts
On October 26 2017 08:30 Twinkle Toes wrote: This is as valid and respectful comment/criticism one can make. Sometimes I wonder why TL staff and writers are too sensitive and defensive to this. It is clear as day, others have a sort of blurby run on on their title (in this format: Name: hype subtitle - rank - Road to Blizzcon). INnoVation's does not, and it is a fair question to ask why? Did the writers and editors forget? Then correct it! There is no way, if only for the sake of consistency, that the current title is satisfactory. It's not even a matter of taste. We are just holding the article to the standard you imposed upon yourselves. (I recall there was an article earlier with a controversial title as well - something about TB Shoutcraft wool pulled over our eyes. With or without malice intended, the title creates confusion and unintended inaccuracy, and should be edited. Any 2-bit editor knows that first thing on the job.) Now to the important part, despite the deficiency in the title, the content itself was an awesome read. It could use some editing help to make it less bloated and more precise with language, but still artful without sounding specious. Great content though. Thanks! Basically this. All of it. Very few a are not happy about getting content this good, but valid points are still valid points even if otherwise the article is gold. I doubt you didn't realize this inconsistency yourself. Probably even asked yourself before publishing if it is a good idea to break the pattern for the reason you explained. So I dunno why your reply to criticism isn't s.th. like: I noticed it is inconsistent, but after careful deliberation I found it this way better or so... . Otherwise it feels like you just want to quarrel. On GOAT. How I see it: The game is still alive so there is no GOAT (ALL time) for me. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On October 26 2017 09:16 pvsnp wrote: Currently, a legitimate argument can be made for multiple people being GOAT. Inno is one of them, but there are others too. Artosis, for instance, was rhetorically asking if Inno was GOAT after he won GSL for the third time and tied Mvp. If Inno wins Blizzcon though, I can virtually guarantee that Tastosis and the rest of the casters will proclaim Inno the undisputed GOAT and anoint him on spot, right there on the grand stage at Blizzcon while he lifts the trophy and confetti swirls all around. Should that occur, anyone denying that Inno is GOAT after that will just be inviting public ridicule. Nobody wants to listen to dusty quibbling about the long-forgotten achievements of long-retired players, not when there is a World Champion being crowned atop a hill of other trophies after having beaten the best players in the world on the biggest stage. Standing against all the weight of hype and momentum in a moment like that is impossible. That gave me... sparksin my eyes (to stay polite), would be awesome. INno' is used to do shit at Blizzcon tho (I'll always remember the crash of the hype train against.. a Duck in 2013 T_T , or the sad lose 3-1 in quarter finals) | ||
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ProKey
3 Posts
Still have another 2 weeks "raod 2 blixxcn" User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 26 2017 17:02 ProKey wrote: Wow. The amount of douchebags saying they like the title. It's amazing how d-bags will just accept anything as it is given. The other guy had it better a couple articles back. Breaking down the top 3 of each race. Mentioning inno ruling terrans with an iron fist. Hell, even that would be a better title. Still have another 2 weeks "raod 2 blixxcn" I legit LOLed | ||
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