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Writers: Olli, CosmicSpiral
Editor: CosmicSpiral, Olli
I work in the publication industry and this article highlights why the above is taboo.
I will withhold judgment on the quality of the content, but let me point out a few whoopsies:
kept their vestigial weaknesses Nature abhors a vacuum Ardent KeSPA fans hyped him as the vanguard of an army of superior competitors (which turned out to be clairvoyant). he entered the chiaroscuro stage of his career. But then came 2017 and somehow, whether through introspection or infernal magic, all his flaws were washed away. when you take into account the Balkanization of the international scene In a sense his first paradigm of StarCraft was correct—success was the byproduct of self-mastery. The difference between shedding flaws and indulging in them was an enigma back then, and it took him half a decade to fully dedicate himself to the former.
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On October 26 2017 15:11 Riner1212 wrote:Life robbed his own career and dug his own grave, he was not robbed by anyone.
you don't know that
also: lol
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Thank you Olli for all the great content I enjoyed reading each one.
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On October 26 2017 17:55 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 15:11 Riner1212 wrote:On October 26 2017 00:57 Penev wrote: Life was robbed Life robbed his own career and dug his own grave, he was not robbed by anyone. you don't know that also: lol
C'mon this is not the subject. Let's hype or clash INno, just INno.
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I really hope Inno does not disappoint. I want the GOAT story to be a thing in sc2. And Inno can be the GOAT, if he wins this and then keeps up a good form with a few more wins next year.
No WoL player can ever be the GOAT imo, that's like Boxer being the GOAT of of BW, just no, it was too early, when the game was not fully figured out and the competition not the fiercest.
With Life gone, only Inno can be the GOAT and he will be I think.
Thanks for all the articles, great reads once again!
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Olli gave up because of the spam about the title. And he is right. Even if it's sad.
Seriously INno's (and Neeb s) fan boy aren't really smart.
Instead of whining about meaningless things like the rank ( we can't all agree) or the title ( lol ) you should appreciate what you just read, you divas.
Every loss is hurting now that the community is small.
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On October 26 2017 21:45 DieuCure wrote:
Olli gave up because of the spam about the title. And he is right. Even if it's sad.
Seriously INno's fan boy aren't really smart.
They weren't true fan imo. They were just here for the narrative. They would have shitted upon that tittle no matter who was the first in the TL ranking. ALso nearly half of the shitposter are the same multi-account user so.....
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On October 26 2017 21:49 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 21:45 DieuCure wrote:
Olli gave up because of the spam about the title. And he is right. Even if it's sad.
Seriously INno's fan boy aren't really smart. They weren't true fan imo. They were just here for the narrative. They would have shitted upon that tittle no matter who was the first in the TL ranking. ALso nearly half of the shitposter are the same multi-account user so.....
B b but I wanted to see "GOAT" in the title 
Olli so biased
I can't enjoy the article right now
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Great writeup, Olli!!
TL has been my go-to place for great sc2 coverage since I discovered the game, and it will continue as long as you guys still have the motivation to do it 
Thumbs up to everyone who makes content for the sc2 scene, I find it invaluable <3
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On October 26 2017 21:34 Musicus wrote:
I really hope Inno does not disappoint. I want the GOAT story to be a thing in sc2. And Inno can be the GOAT, if he wins this and then keeps up a good form with a few more wins next year.
No WoL player can ever be the GOAT imo, that's like Boxer being the GOAT of of BW, just no, it was too early, when the game was not fully figured out and the competition not the fiercest.
With Life gone, only Inno can be the GOAT and he will be I think.
Thanks for all the articles, great reads once again!
I agree with you, though we should never discount MVPs greatness. What he did multiple times throughout his career was remarkable, even up until 2013 when he took inno to game 5 .
But more importantly I agree with you in that I often times root for the stories more than I root for certain players. Often times when a player is doing well I root for them, because I've always wanted a bonjwa figure in sc2, though we've clearly seen that's never going to happen. Same reason I'm rooting for inno, to cement his GOAT status with what would be his biggest win yet.
Really though there are so many great stories happening. Soos perpetual search for redemption, neebs flashes of greatness, Zerg upstarts serral and elazer. From the Korean side, any would be a great story for a victory. We could see TY capping off his best year with another huge prizepool, rogue cementing end of the year dominance,. Dark climbing back up to the top, stats incredible consistency. I'm rooting for a historical blizzcon, not just a great one.
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First and foremost, thank you so much for still doing these articles. Will keep reading as long as SC2 remains the main RTS out there I'm interested in. Great read as always.
As for the title, well, honestly I wouldn't even have noticed the subtitle was lacking if it wasn't for the comments here haha, but I certainly support/understand some of the criticism tho.
Although I'm a terran player, I'm rooting for Stats for this year's Blizzcon. I really like the guy and feel naturally drawn to players who perform with very great consistency in every tournament (make deep runs although not earning the most tropheys necessarily) like himself and Nerchio. I just don't believe in Inno when it comes to runs in Anaheim basically, just too many disappointments there in the past (series vs Duckdeok, Taeja, Life, his absence from top 8 last year ... ). I'm almost wondering at this point if there is something about the practice environment there, something about the jet lag from Korea to California, about the tournament settings etc. which just don't fit him. I know he can and has performed well outside of Korea, but in California, ever? Instruct me if I'm missing something here, pls.
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On October 26 2017 21:34 Musicus wrote:
I really hope Inno does not disappoint. I want the GOAT story to be a thing in sc2. And Inno can be the GOAT, if he wins this and then keeps up a good form with a few more wins next year.
No WoL player can ever be the GOAT imo, that's like Boxer being the GOAT of of BW, just no, it was too early, when the game was not fully figured out and the competition not the fiercest.
With Life gone, only Inno can be the GOAT and he will be I think.
Thanks for all the articles, great reads once again!
? WoL, HotS and LotV are three different games.
Imo this is quite simple: Mvp is the GOAT of WoL, Life of HotS, and INno might be the one of LotV if he wins blizzcon.
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Rofl, Mvp's fans trying a last move
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On October 27 2017 01:01 DieuCure wrote:
Rofl, Mvp's fans trying a last move
Yeah, now we have a greatest of all time (of 2y) of the second extension, a goat for the first, INno is goat for Lotv Pacth XX, after next big major patch we'll have a new Goat
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On October 27 2017 00:38 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 21:34 Musicus wrote:
I really hope Inno does not disappoint. I want the GOAT story to be a thing in sc2. And Inno can be the GOAT, if he wins this and then keeps up a good form with a few more wins next year.
No WoL player can ever be the GOAT imo, that's like Boxer being the GOAT of of BW, just no, it was too early, when the game was not fully figured out and the competition not the fiercest.
With Life gone, only Inno can be the GOAT and he will be I think.
Thanks for all the articles, great reads once again! ? WoL, HotS and LotV are three different games. Imo this is quite simple: Mvp is the GOAT of WoL, Life of HotS, and INno might be the one of LotV if he wins blizzcon.
What makes Life the GOAT of HoTS exactly? iirc he only won a single korean tournament over the span of the 3 years. People have selective memory of him, for most of HoTS he was unimpressive (in korea). And if you say he's the GOAT because of foreign cups then sOs and Taeja have to be considered as well
MVP is the GOAT of wol, Inno is already the GOAT of LoTV, but HoTS is up for debate. sOs won blizzcon twice, Classic/Inno/Maru all won 2 starleagues, Life and Taeja won a lot of foreign cups, Zest in 2014 was basically the same as Inno is this year, asssuming Inno doesn't win blizzcon
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On October 27 2017 02:18 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 00:38 Poopi wrote:On October 26 2017 21:34 Musicus wrote:
I really hope Inno does not disappoint. I want the GOAT story to be a thing in sc2. And Inno can be the GOAT, if he wins this and then keeps up a good form with a few more wins next year.
No WoL player can ever be the GOAT imo, that's like Boxer being the GOAT of of BW, just no, it was too early, when the game was not fully figured out and the competition not the fiercest.
With Life gone, only Inno can be the GOAT and he will be I think.
Thanks for all the articles, great reads once again! ? WoL, HotS and LotV are three different games. Imo this is quite simple: Mvp is the GOAT of WoL, Life of HotS, and INno might be the one of LotV if he wins blizzcon. What makes Life the GOAT of HoTS exactly? iirc he only won a single korean tournament over the span of the 3 years. People have selective memory of him, for most of HoTS he was unimpressive (in korea). And if you say he's the GOAT because of foreign cups then sOs and Taeja have to be considered as well MVP is the GOAT of wol, Inno is already the GOAT of LoTV, but HoTS is up for debate. sOs won blizzcon twice, Classic/Inno/Maru all won 2 starleagues, Life and Taeja won a lot of foreign cups, Zest in 2014 was basically the same as Inno is this year, asssuming Inno doesn't win blizzcon
Idk I didn't follow much HotS, why are there people praising Life as a potential GOAT over Mvp then? O_o
Point is, the comparison to BW is not applicable directly because there have been multiple extensions and LotV and WoL in particular require different skill sets. Mvp probably wouldn't have stand a chance even healthy on LotV due to lackluster mechanics.
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On October 27 2017 02:39 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 02:18 Fango wrote:On October 27 2017 00:38 Poopi wrote:On October 26 2017 21:34 Musicus wrote:
I really hope Inno does not disappoint. I want the GOAT story to be a thing in sc2. And Inno can be the GOAT, if he wins this and then keeps up a good form with a few more wins next year.
No WoL player can ever be the GOAT imo, that's like Boxer being the GOAT of of BW, just no, it was too early, when the game was not fully figured out and the competition not the fiercest.
With Life gone, only Inno can be the GOAT and he will be I think.
Thanks for all the articles, great reads once again! ? WoL, HotS and LotV are three different games. Imo this is quite simple: Mvp is the GOAT of WoL, Life of HotS, and INno might be the one of LotV if he wins blizzcon. What makes Life the GOAT of HoTS exactly? iirc he only won a single korean tournament over the span of the 3 years. People have selective memory of him, for most of HoTS he was unimpressive (in korea). And if you say he's the GOAT because of foreign cups then sOs and Taeja have to be considered as well MVP is the GOAT of wol, Inno is already the GOAT of LoTV, but HoTS is up for debate. sOs won blizzcon twice, Classic/Inno/Maru all won 2 starleagues, Life and Taeja won a lot of foreign cups, Zest in 2014 was basically the same as Inno is this year, asssuming Inno doesn't win blizzcon Idk I didn't follow much HotS, why are there people praising Life as a potential GOAT over Mvp then? O_o Point is, the comparison to BW is not applicable directly because there have been multiple extensions and LotV and WoL in particular require different skill sets. Mvp probably wouldn't have stand a chance even healthy on LotV due to lackluster mechanics.
Because they are Life fanboys, ofc.
While Life was certainly a very accomplished player, he never had enough Korean trophies for my taste. Better than Taeja, to be sure, but still most of LIfe's trophies were from foreign tournaments.
Because I view Starleague trophies as the gold standard for measuring GOAT, I never really considered Life (2 Starleagues) in the running for GOAT when we already had Mvp (3 Starleagues) and Inno (4 Starleagues).
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This was a great article, I really enjoyed how you sum up INnoVation's path to this point and how this could basically be the cherry on top of his entire career. I think of anyone else on this list, his was the one where it was actually necessary for you to build up how he got here and I think it justifies over half the article dealing with his career pre-2017. Thanks for all these write ups everyone.
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although innovation is realy strong right now I'm pretty well set in my prediction that rouge win this tournament. After seeing rouge utterly stomp ino in the super tournament I don't think ino can beat rouge if they meet, he has to hope rouge gets sniped in a zvz. Im hoping inno finds a way though.
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On October 26 2017 20:30 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 17:55 Penev wrote:On October 26 2017 15:11 Riner1212 wrote:On October 26 2017 00:57 Penev wrote:Life was robbed Life robbed his own career and dug his own grave, he was not robbed by anyone. you don't know that also: lol C'mon this is not the subject. Let's hype or clash INno, just INno.
what? someone could've taken his lunch money one time
seriously ppl stop going full romanian -_-
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