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On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game.
you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good.
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On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good.
I think you are misunderstanding my intentions here. This is not me making this about MMA vs DRG or greatest games ever. This is me talking about content that could be written, and I was interested to see if other long-time Sc2 followers had similar types of stories that they felt were ignored.
If a thread has potential to talk about Sc2 journalism in general, then let's see if it can move in that direction because there are a million other threads to talk about WCS + this thread barely had anyone talking about innovation in any remotely interesting anyway.
Like look at some of the comments talking about Life:
Scumbag or not, his record is just as worthy of discussing as saviOr's was (and remains). You can discuss past performances without excusing anything.
What does that have to do w/ Innovation?
You should consider stopping to attempting to moderate for the sake of moderating and instead think about whether comments could lead to interesting discussions.
And talking to you seems to lead nowhere interesting, thus this will be my last response to you.
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Well, that escalated quickly.
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On October 31 2017 21:40 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good. I think you are misunderstanding my intentions here. This is not me making this about MMA vs DRG or greatest games ever. This is me talking about content that could be written, and I was interested to see if other long-time Sc2 followers had similar types of stories that they felt were ignored.If a thread has potential to talk about Sc2 journalism in general, then let's see if it can move in that direction because there are a million other threads to talk about WCS + this thread barely had anyone talking about innovation in any remotely interesting anyway. Like look at some of the comments talking about Life: Show nested quote +Scumbag or not, his record is just as worthy of discussing as saviOr's was (and remains). You can discuss past performances without excusing anything. What does that have to do w/ Innovation? You should consider stopping to attempting to moderate for the sake of moderating and instead think about whether comments could lead to interesting discussions. And talking to you seems to lead nowhere interesting, thus this will be my last response to you.
yes, that sounds nice but this is NOT the thread to receive the feedback you want. This is for talks about Innovation, this article and blizzcon but obviously, you might get a comment here and there that don't directly deal with this subject. As I said, make another thread with your previous post as the OP in SCII general and see if any of the readers are interested in what you want to write. Does this make sense?
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On October 31 2017 20:50 Hider wrote:
A bit OT, but with regards to Sc2 journalism and narratives that has been repeated one time too many, a story that hasn't really been told before is why MMA vs DRG game 5 of the GSTL finals in 2011 is the greatest games in the history of Starcraft!
I consider writing a lenghty article about it, but to make it relatively brief; it featured two players who had innovated the TvZ/ZvT matchups over the previous months and were (arguably) considered the second best player for their race at the time the game took place - MVP and Nestea were #1.
Their innovations to the meta were not just a short-term gimmick; It continued to impact how the matchups would be played over the next year!
And in this game you get the two playstyles clahing up against each other in the deciding game in the GSTL finals. What more could you wish for? A great game? Yes and you definitely got that. Given its time-period it was rare to find any games that had so much back-and-forth action while showing high level of mechanical skills.
I think there is room to tell this story more indepth and you could write about how the whole meta in TvZ changed from to 2010 to 2012 in relation to the playstyles of MMA and DRG.
For those who are interested in the history of Starcraft 2, this is the best story that has never been told.
GO for it man. With all this okish articles here, something in-depth would be truly welcome.
Can I give you a deadline of Nov. 3, 8pm KST?
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On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good.
Anything other SC2 players do is somewhat related to Innovation. Just saying...
E.g. I read from this guy that he thinks MMA vs DRG might be better COMPARED to innovation. A message is not only telling what is explicitly written there.
Or what does MVP or Life have to do with innovation? Why are they mentioned in the original article ... .
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On November 01 2017 01:15 DSh1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good. Anything other SC2 players do is somewhat related to Innovation. Just saying... E.g. I read from this guy that he thinks MMA vs DRG might be better COMPARED to innovation. A message is not only telling what is explicitly written there. Or what does MVP or Life have to do with innovation? Why are they mentioned in the original article ... .
You are still missing the point, much like he is lol. He will get a much much better response if he makes a new thread rather than posting here, that was the main point. This thread is for something totally different and unrelated. Other point was that if this is something that he really wants to do, skip asking and just do it already...
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On November 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 01:15 DSh1 wrote:On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good. Anything other SC2 players do is somewhat related to Innovation. Just saying... E.g. I read from this guy that he thinks MMA vs DRG might be better COMPARED to innovation. A message is not only telling what is explicitly written there. Or what does MVP or Life have to do with innovation? Why are they mentioned in the original article ... . You are still missing the point, much like he is lol. He will get a much much better response if he makes a new thread rather than posting here, that was the main point. This thread is for something totally different and unrelated. Other point was that if this is something that he really wants to do, skip asking and just do it already...
So I should make a new thread just to tease an article I might write?
That sounds absolutely ridiculous and you don't just make an article of that caliber since I would need to dig out old vods (which I am not sure I actually can) in order to get the best context. There are also other types of facts I would like to get correct that I would need to recheck.
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On November 01 2017 02:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote:On November 01 2017 01:15 DSh1 wrote:On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good. Anything other SC2 players do is somewhat related to Innovation. Just saying... E.g. I read from this guy that he thinks MMA vs DRG might be better COMPARED to innovation. A message is not only telling what is explicitly written there. Or what does MVP or Life have to do with innovation? Why are they mentioned in the original article ... . You are still missing the point, much like he is lol. He will get a much much better response if he makes a new thread rather than posting here, that was the main point. This thread is for something totally different and unrelated. Other point was that if this is something that he really wants to do, skip asking and just do it already... So I should make a new thread just to tease an article I might write? That sounds absolutely ridiculous and you don't just make an article of that caliber since I would need to dig out old vods (which I am not sure I actually can) in order to get the best context. There are also other types of facts I would like to get correct that I would need to recheck.
So, it's ridiculous to try and give your idea a lot more exposure so that you can decide if it's worth writing yet you somehow believe that posting about it in a thread that's barely moving atm is going to do it more good? At this point, it feels like you're trying to dodge writing this lol.
Build it and they will come -> write it and they will read. Anyone who's passionate enough about anything will begin writing even before asking for feedback, especially if the story is that damn good. I started writing this article and didn't even bother asking for feedback on whether it was worth it due to the hours involved because to me, it was special, important and I was that passionate about SSL. So, tell me, are you really that passionate MMA vs DRG?
edit: my apologies to the OP for derailing, I'll leave this convo with this post. Cheers!
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On November 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 01:15 DSh1 wrote:On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good. Anything other SC2 players do is somewhat related to Innovation. Just saying... E.g. I read from this guy that he thinks MMA vs DRG might be better COMPARED to innovation. A message is not only telling what is explicitly written there. Or what does MVP or Life have to do with innovation? Why are they mentioned in the original article ... . You are still missing the point, much like he is lol. He will get a much much better response if he makes a new thread rather than posting here, that was the main point. This thread is for something totally different and unrelated. Other point was that if this is something that he really wants to do, skip asking and just do it already...
My point was I understand your point, but for me its not OT. And I find it interesting to read.
Also on another note: ridiculing others in your posts is not going to convince people. It's always the others that miss the point 
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i didnt remember 2016 was that awful for inno... i guess it was because for me most of the time he was in the top so the declines in his play dont stand up that much... if that makes any sense. about blizzcon 2017 he is one of the favorites to win it all but i still think he doesnt look untouchable like he was some time in the past and more considering the level od the Zerg present.
nice read btw!
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On November 01 2017 02:58 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 02:13 Hider wrote:On November 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote:On November 01 2017 01:15 DSh1 wrote:On October 31 2017 21:15 BigFan wrote:On October 31 2017 21:08 Hider wrote:On October 31 2017 21:00 BigFan wrote:
I think you should be posting this in another thread, not the place for it here. There isn't any thread where this post wold make sense and I don't want to start a new thread. It's just something that has been on my mind for a lot of years: how amazing his story is and why - if any - narrative deserves to be repeated, this is one. And the context here is Sc2 journalism/writing in general hence why it seemed the most appropriate (out of no good alternatives). Because compared to all of the narratives that has been told over and over, you could write so much interesting stuff about the development of the TvZ meta to 2010 and 2012 while referincing this game. you miss my point. This thread is about Innovation, not MMA or DRG or whoever lol. Make a thread in SCII general and see if there's interest. Alternatively, just write it if you want and don't bother asking if anyone's interested. Folks will read and comment if its good. Anything other SC2 players do is somewhat related to Innovation. Just saying... E.g. I read from this guy that he thinks MMA vs DRG might be better COMPARED to innovation. A message is not only telling what is explicitly written there. Or what does MVP or Life have to do with innovation? Why are they mentioned in the original article ... . You are still missing the point, much like he is lol. He will get a much much better response if he makes a new thread rather than posting here, that was the main point. This thread is for something totally different and unrelated. Other point was that if this is something that he really wants to do, skip asking and just do it already... So I should make a new thread just to tease an article I might write? That sounds absolutely ridiculous and you don't just make an article of that caliber since I would need to dig out old vods (which I am not sure I actually can) in order to get the best context. There are also other types of facts I would like to get correct that I would need to recheck. So, it's ridiculous to try and give your idea a lot more exposure so that you can decide if it's worth writing yet you somehow believe that posting about it in a thread that's barely moving atm is going to do it more good? At this point, it feels like you're trying to dodge writing this lol. Build it and they will come -> write it and they will read. Anyone who's passionate enough about anything will begin writing even before asking for feedback, especially if the story is that damn good. I started writing this article and didn't even bother asking for feedback on whether it was worth it due to the hours involved because to me, it was special, important and I was that passionate about SSL. So, tell me, are you really that passionate MMA vs DRG? edit: my apologies to the OP for derailing, I'll leave this convo with this post. Cheers!
With all due respect to both of you, I guess the issue is already resolved and there is no need to escalate this any further.
Hider: This is OT, but I want to write a nice piece
BigFan: you are OT, not in this thread
Hider: its sc2 stuff too, and no other thread to post this
BigFan: OT!
I mean, Hider prefaced his post that its OT, so BigFan please give him this and let him be. He intended well and I think his article is a good contribution to the thread. His post about his intention to write is as welcome here as in any other sc2 thread, as there are other non-Inno posts here are well. Besides, I don't think he is trying to grab the spotlight away from inno. I mean you are right, and he gets it already. But there is no reason to prolong this.
BLIZZCON HYPE!!! INNO VS SOO
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I know this isn't very much on topic, but I really love waffles. Strawberries and whipped cream are my favorite toppings.
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On November 01 2017 15:53 Ej_ wrote:
I know this isn't very much on topic, but I really love waffles. Strawberries and whipped cream are my favorite toppings.
I think this very much off topic. But it is the nice kind of off topic. Blueberry and cheese are my favorite.
Blizzcon round 1 couldnt come any sooner, then I'd be lounging with Blueberry and cheese and wine with friends and hope that soO and INnoVation wins!
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