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On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up
Happens to an extent in China. China has a bunch of negative stereotypes about white folks, lying, cheating, opportunistic etc. It's entirely plausible that Caucasians could be discriminated against in China on the basis of that. But as a rule the whole "racism needs an element of power" thing holds true and in most of the world white folks have the power. The exceptions where anti white racism can be an actual problem are the same places where power is held by non whites.
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Someones going to have to take china aside and let them know whats wrong about the whole nazi fashion thing going on.
I think that theres some shred of "anti white hate" in the form of hating on the government institutions and government in general that people associate white people with for creating. Ie the cops are a white person thing. I don't think it goes so far as to justify white people saying that its "hating white people" but it does enough to make white people uncomfortable. GH is a perfect recurring example of this in the thread where most of the problems that black people face are attributed to white people oppressing them. (in this example I'm associating where the white people get confused that its white people hate not comparing white people feeling hate with black people feeling hate. I'm also using this example in so far as showing a source of the possible confusion on the side of white people not insinuating that black people are confused for blaming white people for the slave trade and racism that have brought them to their current spot.)
White people see the cops in the area as the good guys and when they see liberals and black people saying that police are the bad guys they get the image that white people are the people that they're blaming.
On July 13 2017 10:57 KwarK wrote:
I still honestly don't know if you're saying the Democrats shouldn't talk about how racist the Trump base is or if you don't think there was a racial component to the Trump Birther movement that propelled him onto the political stage.
I don't want to speak for him but this is what I was thinking after reading this post. I want to say that its the first thing but there is some degree for sure on the second. Obama made white people really uncomfortable. Calling white people racists doesn't win you elections or make you friends except with the people who already agree with you.
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I thought GH was mad because white people literally have the power to stop doing all the shit that is oppressing the black community whenever the fuck they want (prison reform, justice reform, education reform, electoral reform etc) but keep saying that it's not really a priority right now.
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On July 13 2017 12:49 KwarK wrote:
I thought GH was mad because white people literally have the power to stop doing all the shit that is oppressing the black community whenever the fuck they want (prison reform, justice reform, education reform, electoral reform etc) but keep saying that it's not really a priority right now.
The majority party in the USA (Republicans) opposes all of prison reform, justice reform, education reform, electoral reform. They win elections all over the place and they systematically want and run on doing the opposite of those things. A discussion of 'white people' divorced from the political realities driving policy is meaningless.
Prison reform -> they vote for and pay for new prisons
Justice reform -> Sessions is openly rolling back sentencing and drug reforms by Obama/Holder
Education reform -> Devos is pushing insane religious school / charter school nonsense in guise of school choice
Electoral reform -> Republicans and their Justices do their very best to make it hard to vote and marginalize voters of color
EDIT: and just so GH is clear, Dems are on the right side of every one of those issues.
Prison reform -> only Dems at state levels are doing anything here
Justice reform -> Obama/Holder actually did normalize a lot of sentencing disparities
Education reform -> Only Dems try to defend public schools
Electoral reform -> Only Dems back revitalizing the VRA and Holder/Lynch did great work stopping a lot of Voter Suppression efforts when they ran the DOJ
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On July 13 2017 11:41 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up I've seen several people in this thread make the case that not owning up to your white privilege is a problem in America today and does everything from hurt race relations to institutionalizing oppression. When you're talking about, say, poor rural whites forgotten by Dem identity politics, it looks a lot like hatred of white people for not owning up to their original sin of being born white.
jfc, why is it so hard for some white people to acknowledge, cope with, and address their privilege? I've had it as hard as any American here and it's not hard for me to see my male privilege. What about white people/white privilage makes it so damn offensive that people want you to acknowledge it?
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White privilege(or any privilege) is tricky to approach, because it's something that gives preferential treatment to whites specifically by leaving them out of whatever systemic oppression is in place, and so it's something that exists specifically because of the ignorance on the part of the people that enjoy it. It follows that when you do bring it up, the natural response is one of skepticism or indignation.
The bad ones, of course, refuse to acknowledge the issue, and instead dig their heels in.
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On July 13 2017 13:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 11:41 Danglars wrote:On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up I've seen several people in this thread make the case that not owning up to your white privilege is a problem in America today and does everything from hurt race relations to institutionalizing oppression. When you're talking about, say, poor rural whites forgotten by Dem identity politics, it looks a lot like hatred of white people for not owning up to their original sin of being born white. jfc, why is it so hard for some white people to acknowledge, cope with, and address their privilege? I've had it as hard as any American here and it's not hard for me to see my male privilege. What about white people/white privilage makes it so damn offensive that people want you to acknowledge it?
People in general don't acknowledge their privilege, because there's always someone more priviliged than we are. No matter which skin color you are, we always look up at those with more privilege, blaming them instead of actually helping those below us. Because it is easier blaming the rich and wealthy, than actually getting off our lazy asses and helping the poor!
Humans are selfish pricks, that's the sad truth and will never change.
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Might it be that the supposed hate of poor white rural people is coupled with poor and not white?
Would make for a substantial difference because POCs get discriminated no matter their social status.
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On July 13 2017 13:40 NewSunshine wrote:
White privilege(or any privilege) is tricky to approach, because it's something that gives preferential treatment to whites specifically by leaving them out of whatever systemic oppression is in place, and so it's something that exists specifically because of the ignorance on the part of the people that enjoy it. It follows that when you do bring it up, the natural response is one of skepticism or indignation.
The bad ones, of course, refuse to acknowledge the issue, and instead dig their heels in.
I mean I get some stickiness to one's original perceptions, I didn't accept that I was a lifelong receiver of male privilege the first time it was brought to my attention, but it didn't take me years either.
People want to excuse it as a rational reaction, and in some ways it is, but it's also blatantly racist and reflects poorly on the individual's capabilities to absorb new information. That shouldn't be controversial to anyone willing to engage in the concept.
But what I'm looking for is what is it about so many white people and white privilege (that's unique to them) that makes it so hard for them to come to this basic understanding?
On July 13 2017 13:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up Trust me, it's very much a thing in a lot of the world. For example, I had police guarding my community for 6 months after specific threats growing up. Don't propagate ignorance as if you know what all the countries of the world are like.
I'm doubting it was in Scotland, and if it was, I don't think you quite understand what we're talking about, if it wasn't, then it probably fit into the addendum that was presumed, then actually phrased.
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On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up
Trust me, it's very much a thing in a lot of the world. For example, I had police guarding my community for 6 months after specific threats growing up. Don't propagate ignorance as if you know what all the countries of the world are like.
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Would you come to terms that yo are responsible for the slaughter of millions even though you didn't do anything? There is evidence that you are guilty, thought you truly had no hand in the matter. Just by being who you are, you are responsible for that. Would you be able to come to terms with that and preach and practice that it is wrong for your "people" to continue to do this?
Another thing to note, at the turn of the previous century or so, who were the people to majorly benefit from technology and changing times? Who today holds a lot of the power? Start there and work backwards. Then, where are there more instances of perpetuated bribery, corruption, cronyism, etc? Where are most conflicts in the world situated?
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On July 13 2017 12:41 Sermokala wrote:
Someones going to have to take china aside and let them know whats wrong about the whole nazi fashion thing going on.
Are you sure you are not mixing something up? Nazi chic is a thing in Japan, Taiwan and some SEA countries, but not really in China (Nazi is about the only thing China hates more than US). Then again, when you got over 1 billion people, some dumbarses are bound to sneak into news somehow.
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Does anyone remember a few days ago when Team Trump on here sternly declared that the story about Comey leaking classified information was serious? Here is the FOX retraction of an obviously bullshit story.
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On July 13 2017 14:23 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 12:41 Sermokala wrote:
Someones going to have to take china aside and let them know whats wrong about the whole nazi fashion thing going on. Are you sure you are not mixing something up? Nazi chic is a thing in Japan, Taiwan and some SEA countries, but not really in China (Nazi is about the only thing China hates more than US). Then again, when you got over 1 billion people, some dumbarses are bound to sneak into news somehow.
https://www.dailydot.com/culture/nazi-regalia-east-asia/
Naw its a wedding thing in China.
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On July 13 2017 13:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Would you come to terms that yo are responsible for the slaughter of millions even though you didn't do anything? There is evidence that you are guilty, thought you truly had no hand in the matter. Just by being who you are, you are responsible for that. Would you be able to come to terms with that and preach and practice that it is wrong for your "people" to continue to do this?
I do my best with the privileges I have (Straight, Male, American, etc...). Specifically over the last 5 or so years I've been quarreling with myself about how my American privilege passes with it a responsibility for the atrocities we committed/commit. My brain (all of our brains) are specifically designed so that we can shove stuff like the guilt and motivation for action to change/stop such atrocities away into dark corners of our minds, but I make a conscious effort not to just put it away, instead I ask what am I doing to slow/stop it. If I don't have a good answer I try to get one. That means not "Just doing something" but making sure what I'm doing is in what at least I believe (for good reason) to be addressing the issue.
Doesn't mean I think I'm going to stop this stuff all by myself, but it does mean that I accept that "you're either part of the solution or part of the problem" and I'm not trying to be part of the problem.
That's why I'm asking. I've thought about this more than anyone should and I've realized I can't pin it on anything other than they are still most committed/deluded by the myth of the American meritocracy and since virtually all of the privileges (save wealth, disability, etc... for some) were in their corner, they really don't know/accept that American meritocracy is in fact a myth, or at best a highly exaggerated fish tale.
If captive to the idea of a functional American meritocracy I guess I can see how privilege would be harder to see and that is something that is mostly only still prevalent in white and/or affluent groups, where coincidentally, privilege is hardest for them to see.
It's not easy to let go of the idea of a meritocracy for a lot of reasons, not the least of which, being that it undermines either the dream that your hard work will bring you success comparable to the work/accomplishments, or that you are deserving of what you have and others can't be, and that's why you have it and they don't.
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On July 13 2017 13:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 13:40 NewSunshine wrote:
White privilege(or any privilege) is tricky to approach, because it's something that gives preferential treatment to whites specifically by leaving them out of whatever systemic oppression is in place, and so it's something that exists specifically because of the ignorance on the part of the people that enjoy it. It follows that when you do bring it up, the natural response is one of skepticism or indignation.
The bad ones, of course, refuse to acknowledge the issue, and instead dig their heels in. I mean I get some stickiness to one's original perceptions, I didn't accept that I was a lifelong receiver of male privilege the first time it was brought to my attention, but it didn't take me years either. People want to excuse it as a rational reaction, and in some ways it is, but it's also blatantly racist and reflects poorly on the individual's capabilities to absorb new information. That shouldn't be controversial to anyone willing to engage in the concept. But what I'm looking for is what is it about so many white people and white privilege (that's unique to them) that makes it so hard for them to come to this basic understanding? Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 13:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up Trust me, it's very much a thing in a lot of the world. For example, I had police guarding my community for 6 months after specific threats growing up. Don't propagate ignorance as if you know what all the countries of the world are like. I'm doubting it was in Scotland, and if it was, I don't think you quite understand what we're talking about, if it wasn't, then it probably fit into the addendum that was presumed, then actually phrased.
You're asking people to move from a position of "I'm a regular human being that didn't enslave other people or do anything wrong to black people" to " I'm responsible now for the enslavement of other people and things done wrong to black people" and you're wondering why its a hard sell for you?
Edit you more or less answered yourself so I don't think theres anything more to say I guess.
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On July 13 2017 11:53 Danglars wrote:
This is rather topical since haters dismiss that they hate and political disagreement is racism. Why not call groups defending Christian religious liberties as anti-LGBT hate groups? SPLC, oh the depths to which you've fallen.
The ADF is a group based on being professionally offended that they have to interact with less desirable people, using legislation/litigation to diminish undesirables.
ADF is aganist gay marriage/civil unions<-oh hey the supreme court upheld that
ADF wants to ban adoption by same sex couples because children need a mother and a father, which is idiotic considering if you're rich enough you can adopt a child by yourself. They just want to block homosexuality being normalized.
They're are pretty much against anything that isn't old school judaeo-christian but their main thrust is anti-homosexuality.
Here is a few snippets from the ADF over the years
By its very nature, homosexual acts are incapable of bearing fruit – indeed, strictly speaking, they are not sexual, as they are incapable of being generative or procreative. “And in the course of the now hundreds of cases the Alliance Defense Fund has now fought involving this homosexual agenda, one thing is certain: there is no room for compromise with those who would call evil ‘good.’” “We mention the new promotion of pedophilia in the context of talking about the influence of homosexual behavior on college campuses, because, despite all objections to the contrary, the two are often intrinsically linked.” “The issue under rational-basis review is not whether Texas should be concerned about opposite-sex sodomy, but whether it is reasonable to believe that same-sex sodomy is a distinct public health problem. It clearly is.”
Just because you phrase things as a positive does not change the substance. Anyone who has worked in a corporate arena in which the enforced culture has to be framed as a positive knows this.
Hardly call that a group about not hating LGBT community. Sure they are no white supremacist group but is that the bar?
edit:reworded for clarity
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On July 13 2017 14:39 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 14:23 ragz_gt wrote:On July 13 2017 12:41 Sermokala wrote:
Someones going to have to take china aside and let them know whats wrong about the whole nazi fashion thing going on. Are you sure you are not mixing something up? Nazi chic is a thing in Japan, Taiwan and some SEA countries, but not really in China (Nazi is about the only thing China hates more than US). Then again, when you got over 1 billion people, some dumbarses are bound to sneak into news somehow. https://www.dailydot.com/culture/nazi-regalia-east-asia/Naw its a wedding thing in China.
It's 1 dumbarse from 7 year ago, hardly warrant a talking to for a whole country now.
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On July 13 2017 14:42 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 13:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 13 2017 13:40 NewSunshine wrote:
White privilege(or any privilege) is tricky to approach, because it's something that gives preferential treatment to whites specifically by leaving them out of whatever systemic oppression is in place, and so it's something that exists specifically because of the ignorance on the part of the people that enjoy it. It follows that when you do bring it up, the natural response is one of skepticism or indignation.
The bad ones, of course, refuse to acknowledge the issue, and instead dig their heels in. I mean I get some stickiness to one's original perceptions, I didn't accept that I was a lifelong receiver of male privilege the first time it was brought to my attention, but it didn't take me years either. People want to excuse it as a rational reaction, and in some ways it is, but it's also blatantly racist and reflects poorly on the individual's capabilities to absorb new information. That shouldn't be controversial to anyone willing to engage in the concept. But what I'm looking for is what is it about so many white people and white privilege (that's unique to them) that makes it so hard for them to come to this basic understanding? On July 13 2017 13:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up Trust me, it's very much a thing in a lot of the world. For example, I had police guarding my community for 6 months after specific threats growing up. Don't propagate ignorance as if you know what all the countries of the world are like. I'm doubting it was in Scotland, and if it was, I don't think you quite understand what we're talking about, if it wasn't, then it probably fit into the addendum that was presumed, then actually phrased. You're asking people to move from a position of "I'm a regular human being that didn't enslave other people or do anything wrong to black people" to " I'm responsible now for the enslavement of other people and things done wrong to black people" and you're wondering why its a hard sell for you? Edit you more or less answered yourself so I don't think theres anything more to say I guess.
I have to say I think my answer is a LOT better than yours.
Three things jump out at me at the moment:
1. You know the bad things white people have done to black people didn't stop in 1865, 1965, or 2015 right? Like I get everything isn't as bad as the slavery that built this country, but there are plenty of living people (lots in congress specifically) that either directly benefited from, or were there with the racists participating themselves the types of abuses that I'm talking about. As well as plenty being perpetrated every day.
2. No one is saying you are responsible for the enslavement of other people (well except in the way we are all responsible for modern slaver practices), you and the many other people who say things like that should really learn how that looks like a guilty child denying they broke something by saying their parent blames them for everything that has ever broken in their lives, before they were even born!.
3. It sounds like you don't understand or recognize any type of privilege, am I interpreting that correctly?
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On July 13 2017 14:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 14:42 Sermokala wrote:On July 13 2017 13:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 13 2017 13:40 NewSunshine wrote:
White privilege(or any privilege) is tricky to approach, because it's something that gives preferential treatment to whites specifically by leaving them out of whatever systemic oppression is in place, and so it's something that exists specifically because of the ignorance on the part of the people that enjoy it. It follows that when you do bring it up, the natural response is one of skepticism or indignation.
The bad ones, of course, refuse to acknowledge the issue, and instead dig their heels in. I mean I get some stickiness to one's original perceptions, I didn't accept that I was a lifelong receiver of male privilege the first time it was brought to my attention, but it didn't take me years either. People want to excuse it as a rational reaction, and in some ways it is, but it's also blatantly racist and reflects poorly on the individual's capabilities to absorb new information. That shouldn't be controversial to anyone willing to engage in the concept. But what I'm looking for is what is it about so many white people and white privilege (that's unique to them) that makes it so hard for them to come to this basic understanding? On July 13 2017 13:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:On July 13 2017 11:36 Nyxisto wrote:On July 13 2017 11:29 Achamian wrote:On July 13 2017 11:26 KwarK wrote:
No, I totally get that racists get upset when you call them racists. I just don't know if you're trying to say that the racists aren't racists or if you're saying the Democrats should stop calling the racists racist. spoiler alert: there are just as many republicans who hate blacks as there are liberals that hate whites, lets choose teams "hating white people" because they're white isn't actually a thing. The only place where that actually happens is South Africa and that's because of the whole apartheid thing. Nobody has ever institutionalized 'anti-white racism' because of alleged inferiority, that's just one of the long list of imaginary victim complexes that the modern right likes to conjure up Trust me, it's very much a thing in a lot of the world. For example, I had police guarding my community for 6 months after specific threats growing up. Don't propagate ignorance as if you know what all the countries of the world are like. I'm doubting it was in Scotland, and if it was, I don't think you quite understand what we're talking about, if it wasn't, then it probably fit into the addendum that was presumed, then actually phrased. You're asking people to move from a position of "I'm a regular human being that didn't enslave other people or do anything wrong to black people" to " I'm responsible now for the enslavement of other people and things done wrong to black people" and you're wondering why its a hard sell for you? Edit you more or less answered yourself so I don't think theres anything more to say I guess. I have to say I think my answer is a LOT better than yours. Three things jump out at me at the moment: 1. You know the bad things white people have done to black people didn't stop in 1865, 1965, or 2015 right? Like I get everything isn't as bad as the slavery that built this country, but there are plenty of living people (lots in congress specifically) that either directly benefited from, or were there with the racists participating themselves the types of abuses that I'm talking about. As well as plenty being perpetrated every day. 2. No one is saying you are responsible for the enslavement of other people, you and the many other people who say things like that should really learn how that looks like a guilty child denying they broke something by saying their parent blames them for everything that has ever broken in their lives, before they were even born!. 3. It sounds like you don't understand or recognize any type of privilege, am I interpreting that correctly?
Yeah but white things did a lot of good things too. You can't expect people to back at their whole history and just say "well we did these few things wrong so we're all racists and oppressors now and none of it matters". People feel proud of their country and what their ancestors did in this country. painting them all as racists may be accurate but its not something that people will be happy to agree with.
What If someone came to you and said "I think you should feel bad about NWA because they promoted a lot of the gang culture that kills black people every day". I'd be correct in telling you that but you wouldn't feel good with having to agree with me. No one tells swedish people that they have viking privilege because their ancestors raped and pillaged for hundreds of years.
You can't tell people to accept responsibility and then not associate themselves with this new identify that you're placing on them. As a black person you have black privilege because you don't have to experience white privilege /s. If I'm not responsible for the enslavement of other people then why should I care about what happened because of it? I didn't cause the issue and its not my problem if I'm not responsible for what happened.
And shitty things kept happening to black people because of slavery. There are repeated examples in ancient roman times where historians didn't differentiate between people because of the color of their skin. Then slavery comes a round and now black people are for some reason worse then white people. And that keeps happening because one group is on top and wants to stay on top and the other is made powerless to stop them.
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