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On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you.
You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be).
If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet.
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On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet.
Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes.
Thank you for your service, On_Slaught.
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On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught.
I'm fairly sure the majority of people naturally take it as that in here though.
Noone here is in a position to really (have to) make sense of it. We're a bunch of people discussing these things. Nothing more and nothing less than this.
That's basicly what I meant with my previous I am aware that from a legal point of view or what's actually going to happen that's not a bad thing and I would want people to require proof but as some random guy on an internet forum?
At some point you just go "man that's fucked up" and wether it's fucked up enough to ACTUALLY be a point to get someone in troubles isn't something I perceive to be part of the discussion here... maybe some opinions here and there but nothing more than that
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On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught.
You believed Trump's lies about not colluding with the Russians for a solid year. Your partisan support of Dear Leader will be well remembered Comrade.
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The blinders are on thick today.
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On July 13 2017 03:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:29 KwarK wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You did spend quite a while insisting that "I hope you will drop this" as part of a conversation about whether Comey wanted to keep his job wasn't illegal because there was no instruction to drop it there, only a hope that Comey would. Whether that kind of absurd gymnastics counts as shilling in your mind is up to you. You're kinda missing the point that I made about the "I hope you will drop this" line. But more importantly for our immediate purposes, how can it be shilling when, so far, I've been proven right? We'll see what Mueller does, but at this point given that the leftists' and media's attention are elsewhere, it's pretty clear to me that everyone who is half-way reasonable has concluded that Trump did nothing wrong there.
You being proven right so far is limited entirely to "congress hasn't impeached him yet". That's it. Every line you've previously drawn saying "yes, but he didn't do X" has been retrenched as it turns out that he did do the thing in question. Links between peripheral members of his campaign like Carter Page and Russia have become Sessions, Flynn, Manafort, Kushner and now Trump Jr. We've gone from "sanctions weren't discussed" to "you can't prove sanctions were discussed" to "sanctions were discussed but that's fine". We've gone from "it could have been anyone" to "it was Russia" to "it was Russia and they knew it" to "it was Russia and they knew it because they were working together and taking meetings to discuss it".
It's like you're arguing that the case of the defence lawyer has been proven right because the client hasn't been found guilty. While the trial is still ongoing. After the defence lawyer has had to concede that actually their client did have a motive. And he was there that night. And does own a gun. And that gun does match the bullets in the victim. And he was the man identified by witnesses as doing it.
I get innocent until proven guilty and Trump hasn't been impeached yet, but no part of this could in any way be viewed as you being proven right. Every defence you have mounted to date has been retracted. All the claims you've made but one have been proven wrong, and the jury is still out on that last one.
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On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught.
Aren't you an attorney? You should certainly understand that what is legal is not necessarily ethical. Implying comments on the Trump-Russia thing are either issues of legality or "pure innuendo for mere political purposes" is a comically obvious false dichotomy.
You've ignored every question about DTjr's conduct except that of illegality, despite there being tons of ethical and conflict of interest questions that are relevant right now that have nothing to do with the legality of DTjr's conduct.
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On July 13 2017 03:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught. You believed Trump's lies about not colluding with the Russians for a solid year. Your partisan support of Dear Leader will be well remembered Comrade.
YET AGAIN, colluding with the Russians to do what, exactly? Bake a cake? Have a martini? Piss on some whores? I can think of any number of types of lawful instances of collusion that can occur.
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Trump's defense of Jr sure does look a lot like the way he defended Flynn.
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On July 13 2017 03:46 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught. You believed Trump's lies about not colluding with the Russians for a solid year. Your partisan support of Dear Leader will be well remembered Comrade. YET AGAIN, colluding with the Russians to do what, exactly? Bake a cake? Have a martini? Piss on some whores? I can think of any number of types of lawful instances of collusion that can occur.
Why not ask Trump Jr. what he thought they were meeting to do? He wrote it down. But sure, if we ignore all the actual proof then yeah, it could have been baking a cake for all we know.
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On July 13 2017 03:47 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump's defense of Jr sure does look a lot like the way he defended Flynn.
junior is his son though, so i guess we can appreciate a robust defense of one's own blood.
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On July 13 2017 03:45 mozoku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught. Aren't you an attorney? You should certainly understand that what is legal is not necessarily ethical. Implying comments on the Trump-Russia thing are either issues of legality or "pure innuendo for mere political purposes" is a comically obvious false dichotomy. You've ignored every question about DTjr's conduct except that of illegality, despite there being tons of ethical and conflict of interest questions that are relevant right now that have nothing to do with the legality of DTjr's conduct.
The arguments being launched around here generally haven't been about ethics. They've been about illegality. I've been responding on those grounds.
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On July 13 2017 03:46 xDaunt wrote:
colluding with the Russians to do what, exactly? Bake a cake? Have a martini? Piss on some whores?
Let's play 'what comes next?' with our host, KwarK!
So, xDaunt, what comes next?very high level and sensitive information that is part of Russia and it's government's support for Mr. Trump
Is it
A) in his effort to bake a cake
B) in his ongoing election campaign
C) and his pissing on whores
What thing that Mr. Trump was doing in 2016 was Russia, and it's government, supporting?
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On July 13 2017 03:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:46 xDaunt wrote:
colluding with the Russians to do what, exactly? Bake a cake? Have a martini? Piss on some whores? Let's play 'what comes next' with our host, KwarK! So, xDaunt, what comes next? Show nested quote +very high level and sensitive information that is part of Russia and it's government's support for Mr. Trump Is it A) in his effort to bake a cake B) in his ongoing election campaign C) and his pissing on whores
Fake news, you made no mention of the [potential] martini party.
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On July 13 2017 03:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 03:34 On_Slaught wrote:On July 13 2017 03:24 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 03:14 NewSunshine wrote:On July 13 2017 02:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2017 02:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
How can you keep swallowing the lies DJT feeds you? I know you want to spin for him, but come on. DJT out and out lied about the contents of that meeting on Saturday. Then on Tuesday you are ready to believe him when he says nothing came of it? (DJT is speaking through DonJR and Hannity) How many more times are you going to get left holding the bags after the lies are dispelled? At what point do you get a sense of skepticism about the latest lies about what went down in that meeting? I'm not swallowing anything from Trump. In fact, I'm one of the few people not swallowing anything from anyone. Well just because you refuse to accept information doesn't mean it isn't correct. What information am I not accepting? In my world, information means facts and does not include speculation. Here's the template for most every conversation that I've had with TL's leftist/liberal posters on this Trump stuff: TL Leftist/Liberal: Trump did X, which is illegal! xDaunt: What do you base that on? TL Lefist/Liberal: Fuck you! You're a shill for Trump! Frankly, y'all should be embarrassed about this. Y'all are making it way too easy on me and others to fuck with you. You keep talking as if this were a trial. Trump doesn't have to be proven guilty of a crime to completely undermine his ability to act as President, or get impeached for that matter. He is already dangerously close to being a lame duck President (If healthcare and taxes fail he 100% will be). If you're stuck on "conviction worthy evidence" then just ignore everyone and wait for Mueller's report. Certainly if there is anything he will find it and he will be using a higher standard of proof than anyone commenting on the internet. Ah, so now we come to the ugly truth. Y'all, being hyperpartisan, are more than happy to tarnish Trump with pure innuendo for mere political purposes. Thank you for your service, On_Slaught.
Dah fuck? How did you come to that conclusion? That would only make sense if he actually did nothing wrong (which almost no-one here believes; I'm sure even you in your heart of hearts). My point is that because this isn't a court of law that the same burden doesn't apply to costing him his job in a real or practical sense.
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I think it is pretty obvious what the next shoes to drop will be. First we are going to get proof that DJT knew about the Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting. Second we will get the real story of what Natalia Veselnitskaya had to say. Then the substance of what was coming from the Russian Government -> Agalarov -> Emin -> Goldstone -> DonJR/DJT pipeline is going to come out. EDIT: remember that Agalarov is one of Trump's few personal friends.
The emails report that Agalarov had met with Russia’s chief government prosecutor and that the latter offered to provide “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary [Clinton] and her dealings with Russia.” The intermediary, Rob Goldstone (a publicist for Agalarov’s pop-star son, Emin), told Trump Jr. that the information “would be very useful to your father” and — more significant — that it was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
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Consequently, we now have solid documentary evidence that the Trump campaign, fully aware that Putin’s regime wanted to help Trump and damage Clinton, expressed enthusiasm and granted a meeting to a lawyer sensibly understood to be an emissary of the regime. Top Trump campaign officials attended the meeting with the expectation that they would receive information that could be exploited against Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-donald-trump-jr-emails-definitely-show-collusion-but-collusion-in-what/2017/07/12/7b579394-666f-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html?utm_term=.d79e22f1026f
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I'm curious to see how Goldstone was informed about what would be talked about before he contacted Jr. If those emails exist, that will be juicy when they are leaked.
Having said that, I imagine the Russians are smarter than having that on the record.
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Again, what was offered? And more importantly, what did the Trump team do in response? That there was a meeting is mostly inconsequential in and of itself.
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On July 13 2017 04:06 xDaunt wrote:
Again, what was offered? And more importantly, what did the Trump team do in response? That there was a meeting is mostly inconsequential in and of itself.
You're describing the Trump campaign accepting a meeting where sanctions were discussed in the understanding that they would be given material that incriminated Hillary as part of the Russian government's support of Trump as inconsequential.
If it emerged that Trump had spent a night in a motel with an underage prostitute you'd say that we really need to know which positions they fucked in before you could make a judgement.
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On July 13 2017 04:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 04:06 xDaunt wrote:
Again, what was offered? And more importantly, what did the Trump team do in response? That there was a meeting is mostly inconsequential in and of itself. You're describing the Trump campaign accepting a meeting where sanctions were discussed in the understanding that they would be given material that incriminated Hillary as part of the Russian government's support of Trump as inconsequential. If it emerged that Trump had spent a night in a motel with an underage prostitute you'd say that we really need to know which positions they fucked in before you could make a judgement.
First, I'm not sure that we know what was discussed. Second, that there may have been a discussion isn't the real issue. The issue is whether there was an agreement and actual quid pro quo of some kind. I don't need to know the sexual positions, but I do need to know that the dick is wet.
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