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KwarK
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Mohdoo
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m4ini
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Talk about absolutely disconnected from reality. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
He's not the first representative to do this, but it is a second. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On July 13 2017 04:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: A laying of hands on Trump, a truly devout person trying to make the world a better place with love,compassion, selflessness and renunciation of worldly goods. + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/JohnnieM/status/884942560439009281 That is fucking creepy. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:15 KwarK wrote: Come now, no infowars please. pretty sure he doesn't believe it. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24142 Posts
I was going to respond to people saying they were "volunteers", but obviously people have no god damn clue what's going on and are just going to ignorantly and snidely get their lol's. It's really sad. User was warned for this post | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote: This thread is just absolute trash lately. I was going to respond to people saying they were "volunteers", but obviously people have no god damn clue what's going on and are just going to ignorantly and snidely get their lol's. It's really sad. Please dispense with the holier-than-thou broad strokes condemning those who actually find cause to be alarmed by current events, it adds nothing useful to the discussion. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24142 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:50 NewSunshine wrote: Please dispense with the holier-than-thou broad strokes condemning those who actually find cause to be alarmed by current events, it adds nothing useful to the discussion. I wouldn't mind it so much if people were at all focused on how ineffectual our system is and why he's going to get away with it and what we need to do to stop it from happening in the future, but that's not what any of this is about. It's just 100+ pages of "OMG TRUMP RUSSIA!!?!?!?" | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote: This thread is just absolute trash lately. I was going to respond to people saying they were "volunteers", but obviously people have no god damn clue what's going on and are just going to ignorantly and snidely get their lol's. It's really sad. Or you could snidely ignore the article posted about the class action lawsuit bringing that issue through the court system. Honest question here, in your ideal sitting government, what would lawmakers in the federal government done in this case? | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
Russian Officials Overheard Discussing Trump Associates Before Campaign Began WASHINGTON—U.S. intelligence agencies starting in the spring of 2015 detected conversations in which Russian government officials discussed associates of Donald Trump, several months before he declared his candidacy for president, according to current and former U.S. officials. In some cases, the Russians in the overheard conversations talked about meetings held outside the U.S. involving Russian government officials and Trump business associates or advisers, these people said. It isn’t clear which Trump associates or advisers the Russians were referring to, or whether they had any connection to his presidential aspirations. The reports were gathered by intelligence agencies that routinely monitor Russian espionage against the U.S. Such efforts can include monitoring phone calls and emails as well as information from informants. The efforts weren’t aimed at Mr. Trump or his associates, these people said. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:54 GreenHorizons wrote: I wouldn't mind it so much if people were at all focused on how ineffectual our system is and why he's going to get away with it and what we need to do to stop it from happening in the future, but that's not what any of this is about. It's just 100+ pages of "OMG TRUMP RUSSIA!!?!?!?" Ummm, yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Our top elected official is waist-deep in a pretty serious scandal, and the implications are fucking awful. Just because you think it's not the biggest deal of them all doesn't mean other people can't feel differently. Idealistic pontificating about every last nook and cranny of corruption in the system is useless from a practical perspective, so people don't waste their time. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:56 NewSunshine wrote: Ummm, yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Our top elected official is waist-deep in a pretty serious scandal, and the implications are fucking awful. Just because you think it's not the biggest deal of them all doesn't mean other people can't feel differently. Idealistic pontificating about every last nook and cranny of corruption in the system is useless from a practical perspective, so people don't waste their time. How many Americans think about changing your election process to open the door to more political parties? You have only two parties which are more or less the same. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 13 2017 06:03 nojok wrote: How many Americans think about changing your election process to open the door to more political parties? You have only two parties which are more or less the same. I really don't think this is true anymore. Yes, the Democratic party bears some resemblance to republicans of the 80s/90s, but the GOP has gone far off the deep end in the past decade. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 13 2017 06:03 nojok wrote: How many Americans think about changing your election process to open the door to more political parties? You have only two parties which are more or less the same. One thing I've learned throughout this thread is that there is no actual barriers in the rules or process of the election system that bars other parties from participating. It's entirely a social and cultural view of politics that sustains the two party system. Voters don't want to consider anything except Democrats or Republicans, and serious political contenders either stand alone as independents, or bring themselves into the parties to have a "serious" run. Even on a State level, everything is Democrat or Republican, despite no requirement (from what I know) for State governments to affiliate with Federal. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On July 13 2017 06:03 nojok wrote: How many Americans think about changing your election process to open the door to more political parties? You have only two parties which are more or less the same. The only ones that can actually do that are the ones that win through it and have 0 incentive to change things. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 13 2017 06:03 nojok wrote: How many Americans think about changing your election process to open the door to more political parties? You have only two parties which are more or less the same. the parties are really quite different. a fair number of people talk about it a little; and there's often some agreement on some fixes amongst us nobodies; but the political class isn't talking much about the kind of structural fixes that would help. unsurprisingly the partiesw don't want to give up their duopoly. also, few people talk thatt much about intelligent policy anyways, so the news doesn't cover it much; people just don't read that stuff. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24142 Posts
On July 13 2017 05:55 WolfintheSheep wrote: Or you could snidely ignore the article posted about the class action lawsuit bringing that issue through the court system. Honest question here, in your ideal sitting government, what would lawmakers in the federal government done in this case? Okay, I feel like I need to explain why the rocketing of the prison population was a bipartisan effort, and why Democrats like Bill and Hillary Clinton (pretty prominent Democrats) embraced prison labor even in their own home (Gov Mansion) Bill had the power to stop it and didn't, Hillary didn't even think it something worth thinking about. Instead she pontificated on what intellectual shortcomings made these people work for practically nothing for her just for a chance to be outside the prison walls for however long they could (or volunteers as some may call them) That's symbolic of the Democratic party when it comes to prison labor (modern American slavery). I mean I could go and show you how countless prisoners are in prison on bullshit charges (usually a parole/probation violation like smoking pot to deal with how incredibly messed up our country is to people who have paid their debt to society), or how every year people who were sentenced to die by our system are exonerated by pro bono lawyers who are ashamed of a system that can convict an innocent person of a crime they didn't commit. Or how our prisons are in such deplorable conditions it's often cruel and unusual just to have to serve time (so little rehabilitation it's pathetic),or that people without family have no money in prison. That many people report it being easier for them to find drugs inside than out (although more expensive inside), because our "guards" are often just state sanctioned thugs who see their job not as protecting inmates, but punishing them. I mean it's a long and sordid list of the problems with the American Prison Industrial Complex, the idea that some lawsuit shows it's being addressed is absolutely moronic. On July 13 2017 05:56 NewSunshine wrote: Ummm, yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Our top elected official is waist-deep in a pretty serious scandal, and the implications are fucking awful. Just because you think it's not the biggest deal of them all doesn't mean other people can't feel differently. Idealistic pontificating about every last nook and cranny of corruption in the system is useless from a practical perspective, so people don't waste their time. I don't understand how some of you still aren't getting this... The story isn't the "scandal" the story is that this is all theater and you're all going to be disappointed/surprised when it turns out to basically go nowhere (despite how bad it is) and act like folks like myself didn't see this a mile away and tried desperately to get you to see that. Like people keep making fun, but no one has even tried to show how we get enough Republicans to impeach Trump, or how/why he wouldn't just pardon anything that managed to actually make it through a show trial. I don't get if you guys don't understand how the system works (maybe I'm missing something no one has mentioned yet) or are just still thinking something about this is going to plummet Trumps approval among Republicans enough to get ~13+ mystery senators to vote to impeach their party's president? | ||
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m4ini
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Your entire second paragraph answers the first one if you change out some key words. | ||
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