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What was the case on scott again? He doesn't seem that bad on second look. The only maybe questionable comment I noticed was this:
On September 25 2016 15:49 scott31337 wrote:
I don't think anyone is town-reading or defending Luna - which makes me worry.
But really, it's not that bad.
Gonna have to relook at the epic event listpost....
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On September 28 2016 01:06 Xatalos wrote:Ok, first there's this post: Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. You could look at it as a Lunatic push, but it's really not. It's just a random comment with no follow-up or relevance whatsoever. Could be distancing, could be a genuine throwaway comment, nothing conclusive either way. It was just a forgotten line in a forgotten post. But after that he basically ignores everything Lunatic-related, only making these comments that can't be exactly called as anti-Lunatic: Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote:
What makes you so soure Stutters pr Lunatic? Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 02:33 Skynx wrote:On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions? Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue. AND then there's the worst part: Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 03:38 Skynx wrote:Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all  I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow. If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing. On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. [quote] Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: [quote] Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. [quote] Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. [quote] What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?  Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
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Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
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I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded. It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum? On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote:
So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently? I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna. Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything. On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it. Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it. On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it. All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me. I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident? This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning. Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me. Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on. This post is basically saying just "lynch me or DYH". Nothing about Lunatic at this point. It would make a lot of sense if Skynx was just a Mafia Goon or something and it would suck to lose the Roleblocker, so it would be even better to kill himself than Lunatic? Naturally he votes for DYH though. I guess this means DYH and Skynx probably aren't scum together though. But nothing really makes Skynx town and a lot of things fit with him being Lunatic's partner. 1) Mostly ignoring Lunatic-related events in the thread. 2) No real stance on him except slight reluctance to lynch him. 3) Ultimately preferring to even lynch himself over Lunatic....? Moving on....
My dear Xatalos,
1) You are accusing me of ignoring Lunatic-related events when you're the one trying to shut down blue discussion the moment it started.
2) The WORST PART: You are implying me focussing some one else than scum makes me scum, however half the game is now scumreading DYH. Even Rels of all people who initially tought it was bs. Do you think DYH is town in this case? Do you think my reads on DYH is bullshit? If you not, how does having a logical case on someone else when another mafia dies makes me scum?
3) Mafia 100000% busses here, i don't even have to explain this. Lunatic was unsaveable, he slipped.
4) That post is not saying "lynch me or DYH". I was offski most of D1 so town would be rightfull to lynch me so it was me showing some activity in the short amount of time I had. I made my stance about Luna earlier as u quoted, no need to repeat in every post something Luna related because he flipped scum.
5) Your entire strategy suggesting me sacrificing myself for Luna I have no idea how someone can see that here. So I was afk on purpose to save my scumbuddy on EoD by suggesting myself as a policy lynch???
6) So the whole thing is mostly associative that now Super is dead and Luna is scum and I'm the only off-wagon. Nice try.
Verdict: Scum This is not a push town would make. He's basically invalid and wrong about every point made and reaching conclusions that are totally irrelevant to what he quotes as a reasoning. Big up tho, you made my life easier cuz now i don't have to check your filter to conclude you're highly likely scum.
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Time to check some what DYH and Xata had to say about eachother in 40 pages, I'm sure we're in for a treat.
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Hm, I think ptmc's post goes slightly too far when accusing scott. Maybe only half of those events seem bad in some form. Not really convinced..
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Aww Skynx, I was gunna call Xata scum.
Now I don't get to feel so original.
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On September 28 2016 01:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 01:06 Xatalos wrote:Ok, first there's this post: On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. You could look at it as a Lunatic push, but it's really not. It's just a random comment with no follow-up or relevance whatsoever. Could be distancing, could be a genuine throwaway comment, nothing conclusive either way. It was just a forgotten line in a forgotten post. But after that he basically ignores everything Lunatic-related, only making these comments that can't be exactly called as anti-Lunatic: On September 25 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote:
What makes you so soure Stutters pr Lunatic? On September 26 2016 02:33 Skynx wrote:On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions? Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue. AND then there's the worst part: On September 26 2016 03:38 Skynx wrote:Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow. If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing. On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
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Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
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Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
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That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded. It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum? On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote:
So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently? I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna. Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything. On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it. Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it. On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it. All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me. I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident? This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning. Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me. Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on. This post is basically saying just "lynch me or DYH". Nothing about Lunatic at this point. It would make a lot of sense if Skynx was just a Mafia Goon or something and it would suck to lose the Roleblocker, so it would be even better to kill himself than Lunatic? Naturally he votes for DYH though. I guess this means DYH and Skynx probably aren't scum together though. But nothing really makes Skynx town and a lot of things fit with him being Lunatic's partner. 1) Mostly ignoring Lunatic-related events in the thread. 2) No real stance on him except slight reluctance to lynch him. 3) Ultimately preferring to even lynch himself over Lunatic....? Moving on.... My dear Xatalos, 1) You are accusing me of ignoring Lunatic-related events when you're the one trying to shut down blue discussion the moment it started. 2) The WORST PART: You are implying me focussing some one else than scum makes me scum, however half the game is now scumreading DYH. Even Rels of all people who initially tought it was bs. Do you think DYH is town in this case? Do you think my reads on DYH is bullshit? If you not, how does having a logical case on someone else when another mafia dies makes me scum? 3) Mafia 100000% busses here, i don't even have to explain this. Lunatic was unsaveable, he slipped. 4) That post is not saying "lynch me or DYH". I was offski most of D1 so town would be rightfull to lynch me so it was me showing some activity in the short amount of time I had. I made my stance about Luna earlier as u quoted, no need to repeat in every post something Luna related because he flipped scum. 5) Your entire strategy suggesting me sacrificing myself for Luna I have no idea how someone can see that here. So I was afk on purpose to save my scumbuddy on EoD by suggesting myself as a policy lynch??? 6) So the whole thing is mostly associative that now Super is dead and Luna is scum and I'm the only off-wagon. Nice try. Verdict: Scum This is not a push town would make. He's basically invalid and wrong about every point made and reaching conclusions that are totally irrelevant to what he quotes as a reasoning. Big up tho, you made my life easier cuz now i don't have to check your filter to conclude you're highly likely scum.
OMGUS mucho 
How do my own doings relate to what you did? If I did something "bad", it doesn't atone for you.
DYH isn't confirmed scum. If he were, then you would look somewhat better of course, but that's not the case, and can't be the basis of my read on you.
Like I said, bussing at that point wouldn't have done you any good. In fact, it could have backfired, like could have happened with DYH/scott if one of them is scum.
Well, have fun pushing me if you're scum. If you're town, I'd suggest something more productive.
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On September 28 2016 01:36 Tictock wrote:
Aww Skynx, I was gunna call Xata scum.
Now I don't get to feel so original.
Oh?
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I'll have to be AFK for a while, but I'm sure it'll be fun to read through those cases when I get back.
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Well I'm still a bit behind, but I did get through D1 and I might as well post this now.
I think Xatalos is scum. Reading through the game I had the distinct impression that he waited as long as possible to discuss Lunatic, and when he did was always very wishy-washy about it.
This was the post that first made me raise an eyebrow.
On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This, plus there's Shutter's first post: On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me. Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..
This was well after Lunatic's entrance and after he had fallen under some pressure. I suppose part of this is simply a "What game is he reading?" sort of reaction because this was far from any of the posts that I found interesting.
What really struck me though was that this post implied that Xat had caught-up with the game, but besides asking Rel's his opinion and talking about blues there is literally no mention of Lunatic's posts until here. Which is especially Ironic given Xat was just accusing Skynx of having "no real stance on Lunatic events?" and that was literally my first thought about him while reading.
It's worth noting his later posts as he decides to vote Lunatic as well.
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry not 100% these are in order, these start on pg 3 of Xata's filter On September 25 2016 21:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 17:20 Calix wrote:
Actually Lunatic looks like a better lynch with how he's reacting to the pitiful amount of pressure he's getting and aside from "over-reacts to pressure and is making bad posts out of frustration" I'm confused as to why he's acting like this in the first place. I haven't seen anything explicitly townie from him either.
Anyway, he says he's one of the more productive players - if that's productive then this game is a spam-fest. He also claims he's building a town circle which I have yet to see on both points. (his weird-ass town-read on Stutters doesn't count) I recall him saying he was going to investigate the first few posters or something - has he followed up on that?
With regards to TPR-hunting, again, that's anti-town because scum would just post their TPR-reads into their private chat. It's also insanely retarded to do as town and if Lunatic thought that Stutters was blue then he should have just defended Stutters using his posts to avoid this. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve there but I guarantee that the execution was terrible.
This read is shit because a lot of his actions require a crapload of WIFOM to decipher. His mindset doesn't make any bloody sense to me and I don't see a coherent explanation for his actions for town or scum, so I'd like to clear that up.
This reasoning is similar with Daneler to an extent as I am finding him difficult to place. However he is less disruptive to the chat compared to Lunatic. Yeah, that whole situation seems pretty stupid from any perspective. No reason to out a blue read in any form as town (even in the form of a non-reasoned strong town read -> pretty obviously a blue read), but no reason to start talking about that as scum either (just putting negative attention on himself for no reason). I guess it was some panic decision under pressure. Maybe leaning scum after all because why would he panic so much as town under a little pressure? Hmmm. Well, let's say he would be a lynch candidate, definitely over Stutter. On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? On September 25 2016 21:15 Xatalos wrote:
On second thoughts, I can think of two potential scenarios where those events would make some sense. I think the scum scenario makes a bit more sense, given that he's a newbie. I'll wait a bit more before saying them out loud. On September 25 2016 23:39 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 23:26 Lunaticman wrote:On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons? God ok I'll play your game: Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him. Satisified? "No, how can you know that?" "Because I played with him before" "Really explain!" On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic. I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse. Wasn't it a blue read earlier....? On September 26 2016 02:16 Xatalos wrote:
Huh. Yeah, I wanted to see some more posts before revealing my thoughts on Lunatic, but doesn't seem like anyone is really posting...
So here are the two scenarios that I could imagine earlier:
1) Scum: He was trying to gain some easy credibility by pointing out a town read based on actual reasoning (blue read on Stutters after bluehunting him, as scum tend to bluehunt more often than town). Then he went into a bit of a panic after he got pressured for not reasoning his read and immediately claimed the blue read, which doesn't make much sense as town, but makes a bit more sense as scum since he wanted to relieve the pressure on him ASAP. In hindsight the play was a mistake (claiming Stutters was town without saying the reason), but it would make some sense from scum perspective at the time of doing it, especially since he's a newbie.
2) Town: Actually it was all a big WIFOM play as town to gather reactions and confuse scum bluehunting. However, this seems less likely since he's a newbie and still hasn't claimed anything of this sort despite lengthy posting on the topic.
So all things considered, him being scum makes quite a bit more sense IMO. On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions? On September 26 2016 02:25 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, not totally sure, but I think he still seems a bit worse than DanelerH atm.
As for others, can't say I've found anything especially suspicious otherwise. Stutters' thing against Soul still confuses me. As for Jealous, I guess he could be scum, he's been pretty passive/blendy, but nothing really jumps out as scummy from him that I've noticed.
There is a lot there, the stuff that I noticed was just how hard of a time Xata had calling Luna scum, he seems like he really wants to try and defend him in some of these posts, yet just can't quite do it. It reads exactly to me like a mafia who realizes he needs to bus and over-elaborates theread on his mate.
It's weaker, but I also get the distinct impression that around the time of the quote from the top of this post (around pg 14) that Xata was kinda drawing attention away from what was some mounting pressure on Lunatic. That might be a bit of confirmation bias there though.
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On September 28 2016 01:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 01:31 Skynx wrote:On September 28 2016 01:06 Xatalos wrote:Ok, first there's this post: On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. You could look at it as a Lunatic push, but it's really not. It's just a random comment with no follow-up or relevance whatsoever. Could be distancing, could be a genuine throwaway comment, nothing conclusive either way. It was just a forgotten line in a forgotten post. But after that he basically ignores everything Lunatic-related, only making these comments that can't be exactly called as anti-Lunatic: On September 25 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote:
What makes you so soure Stutters pr Lunatic? On September 26 2016 02:33 Skynx wrote:On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions? Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue. AND then there's the worst part: On September 26 2016 03:38 Skynx wrote:Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow. If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing. On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
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Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
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I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
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Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded. It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum? On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote:
So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently? I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna. Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything. On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it. Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it. On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it. All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me. I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident? This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning. Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me. Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on. This post is basically saying just "lynch me or DYH". Nothing about Lunatic at this point. It would make a lot of sense if Skynx was just a Mafia Goon or something and it would suck to lose the Roleblocker, so it would be even better to kill himself than Lunatic? Naturally he votes for DYH though. I guess this means DYH and Skynx probably aren't scum together though. But nothing really makes Skynx town and a lot of things fit with him being Lunatic's partner. 1) Mostly ignoring Lunatic-related events in the thread. 2) No real stance on him except slight reluctance to lynch him. 3) Ultimately preferring to even lynch himself over Lunatic....? Moving on.... My dear Xatalos, 1) You are accusing me of ignoring Lunatic-related events when you're the one trying to shut down blue discussion the moment it started. 2) The WORST PART: You are implying me focussing some one else than scum makes me scum, however half the game is now scumreading DYH. Even Rels of all people who initially tought it was bs. Do you think DYH is town in this case? Do you think my reads on DYH is bullshit? If you not, how does having a logical case on someone else when another mafia dies makes me scum? 3) Mafia 100000% busses here, i don't even have to explain this. Lunatic was unsaveable, he slipped. 4) That post is not saying "lynch me or DYH". I was offski most of D1 so town would be rightfull to lynch me so it was me showing some activity in the short amount of time I had. I made my stance about Luna earlier as u quoted, no need to repeat in every post something Luna related because he flipped scum. 5) Your entire strategy suggesting me sacrificing myself for Luna I have no idea how someone can see that here. So I was afk on purpose to save my scumbuddy on EoD by suggesting myself as a policy lynch??? 6) So the whole thing is mostly associative that now Super is dead and Luna is scum and I'm the only off-wagon. Nice try. Verdict: Scum This is not a push town would make. He's basically invalid and wrong about every point made and reaching conclusions that are totally irrelevant to what he quotes as a reasoning. Big up tho, you made my life easier cuz now i don't have to check your filter to conclude you're highly likely scum. OMGUS mucho How do my own doings relate to what you did? If I did something "bad", it doesn't atone for you. DYH isn't confirmed scum. If he were, then you would look somewhat better of course, but that's not the case, and can't be the basis of my read on you. Like I said, bussing at that point wouldn't have done you any good. In fact, it could have backfired, like could have happened with DYH/scott if one of them is scum. Well, have fun pushing me if you're scum. If you're town, I'd suggest something more productive.
So you just flat out ignored all the pointers I made which kinda underlined how your push was horribad. They were all also supposed to explain how none of what you said associated scum me with Luna flipping scum.
Now DYH is getting lynched, you can't bus him aswell can you?
This might end up being a very short game.
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I'll admit that case is basically just a large association case, still need more time to fully catch-up and read deeper.
I think I can also see why DYH has gotten some votes today, and I did notice some similar associative stuff with him as I did with Xata, just not as pronounced imo.
Also I'm kinda confused why Super got killed unless he started going ham during the night. If there isn't some crazy obv town series of mega posts he made at night then I'd put money on him being killed due to remaining scum being vets.
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Alright i should finish reading, but it will have to wait till later today.
People I haven't really mentioned yet.
Scott, prob town but kinda null. Rels is a bro and I kinda agree with the read he had on Scott earlier. He's saying stuff that makes sense and is easy to follow, so prob town.
Jealous, also pretty null. Something in the back of my head is telling me he is town, but I don't know where that voice got it's info.
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On September 28 2016 01:57 Tictock wrote:Well I'm still a bit behind, but I did get through D1 and I might as well post this now. I think Xatalos is scum. Reading through the game I had the distinct impression that he waited as long as possible to discuss Lunatic, and when he did was always very wishy-washy about it. This was the post that first made me raise an eyebrow. Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This, plus there's Shutter's first post: On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me. Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved.. This was well after Lunatic's entrance and after he had fallen under some pressure. I suppose part of this is simply a "What game is he reading?" sort of reaction because this was far from any of the posts that I found interesting. What really struck me though was that this post implied that Xat had caught-up with the game, but besides asking Rel's his opinion and talking about blues there is literally no mention of Lunatic's posts until here. Which is especially Ironic given Xat was just accusing Skynx of having "no real stance on Lunatic events?" and that was literally my first thought about him while reading. It's worth noting his later posts as he decides to vote Lunatic as well. + Show Spoiler +Sorry not 100% these are in order, these start on pg 3 of Xata's filter On September 25 2016 21:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 17:20 Calix wrote:
Actually Lunatic looks like a better lynch with how he's reacting to the pitiful amount of pressure he's getting and aside from "over-reacts to pressure and is making bad posts out of frustration" I'm confused as to why he's acting like this in the first place. I haven't seen anything explicitly townie from him either.
Anyway, he says he's one of the more productive players - if that's productive then this game is a spam-fest. He also claims he's building a town circle which I have yet to see on both points. (his weird-ass town-read on Stutters doesn't count) I recall him saying he was going to investigate the first few posters or something - has he followed up on that?
With regards to TPR-hunting, again, that's anti-town because scum would just post their TPR-reads into their private chat. It's also insanely retarded to do as town and if Lunatic thought that Stutters was blue then he should have just defended Stutters using his posts to avoid this. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve there but I guarantee that the execution was terrible.
This read is shit because a lot of his actions require a crapload of WIFOM to decipher. His mindset doesn't make any bloody sense to me and I don't see a coherent explanation for his actions for town or scum, so I'd like to clear that up.
This reasoning is similar with Daneler to an extent as I am finding him difficult to place. However he is less disruptive to the chat compared to Lunatic. Yeah, that whole situation seems pretty stupid from any perspective. No reason to out a blue read in any form as town (even in the form of a non-reasoned strong town read -> pretty obviously a blue read), but no reason to start talking about that as scum either (just putting negative attention on himself for no reason). I guess it was some panic decision under pressure. Maybe leaning scum after all because why would he panic so much as town under a little pressure? Hmmm. Well, let's say he would be a lynch candidate, definitely over Stutter. On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? On September 25 2016 21:15 Xatalos wrote:
On second thoughts, I can think of two potential scenarios where those events would make some sense. I think the scum scenario makes a bit more sense, given that he's a newbie. I'll wait a bit more before saying them out loud. On September 25 2016 23:39 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 23:26 Lunaticman wrote:On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons? God ok I'll play your game: Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him. Satisified? "No, how can you know that?" "Because I played with him before" "Really explain!" On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic. I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse. Wasn't it a blue read earlier....? On September 26 2016 02:16 Xatalos wrote:
Huh. Yeah, I wanted to see some more posts before revealing my thoughts on Lunatic, but doesn't seem like anyone is really posting...
So here are the two scenarios that I could imagine earlier:
1) Scum: He was trying to gain some easy credibility by pointing out a town read based on actual reasoning (blue read on Stutters after bluehunting him, as scum tend to bluehunt more often than town). Then he went into a bit of a panic after he got pressured for not reasoning his read and immediately claimed the blue read, which doesn't make much sense as town, but makes a bit more sense as scum since he wanted to relieve the pressure on him ASAP. In hindsight the play was a mistake (claiming Stutters was town without saying the reason), but it would make some sense from scum perspective at the time of doing it, especially since he's a newbie.
2) Town: Actually it was all a big WIFOM play as town to gather reactions and confuse scum bluehunting. However, this seems less likely since he's a newbie and still hasn't claimed anything of this sort despite lengthy posting on the topic.
So all things considered, him being scum makes quite a bit more sense IMO. On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions? On September 26 2016 02:25 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, not totally sure, but I think he still seems a bit worse than DanelerH atm.
As for others, can't say I've found anything especially suspicious otherwise. Stutters' thing against Soul still confuses me. As for Jealous, I guess he could be scum, he's been pretty passive/blendy, but nothing really jumps out as scummy from him that I've noticed. There is a lot there, the stuff that I noticed was just how hard of a time Xata had calling Luna scum, he seems like he really wants to try and defend him in some of these posts, yet just can't quite do it. It reads exactly to me like a mafia who realizes he needs to bus and over-elaborates theread on his mate. It's weaker, but I also get the distinct impression that around the time of the quote from the top of this post (around pg 14) that Xata was kinda drawing attention away from what was some mounting pressure on Lunatic. That might be a bit of confirmation bias there though.
By the time I made the DanelerH post there wasn't really much about Lunatic. He had only made his Stutters read, didn't yet claim it was a blue read. Once he did, I admit I might have focused too much on the blue issue, but it kind of felt like he could have genuinely blue read Stutters and it took priority for me. Once I reread the situation from the perspective of Lunatic being scum and faking it, I came to the conclusion that he was probably scum and started pushing him among the first people... Can't really compare my actions to Skynx who never pushed or voted him...
I think my analysis of the situation was pretty good, even if I say it myself. Why would I only consider the possibility of him being scum? It wasn't a sure-fire scum lynch, but a probable enough one, and I still stand by my stances for the day.
Now I'll be AFK for an hour or so...
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On September 24 2016 09:43 DoYouHas wrote:
Nevermind, I can just look it up myself.
Calix and Xata read pretty townie to me.
Don't know about you other 3 yet.
First tr, few hours into game. I mean surely there is shit ton of explanation how Xata is different to 'other 3' here.
On September 24 2016 11:26 DoYouHas wrote:
I think I like you as well Stutters. Good on ya.
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I'll try to get into something beyond these gut reads tomorrow, hopefully when a few more people have posted. As is I'm pretty happy with tonight. 3/5 for my town pile and 2 I need to think about and watch. Gnight.
Few hours later, townread solidified by putting into townpile, again not much behind it.
On September 26 2016 10:32 DoYouHas wrote:
Ok, here is where I'm at for the night
Mafia
Jealous
Town
Rels
SEQ
Calix
Stutters
Skynx
Probably Town
Xata
Looking better post-flip
Dane
Unsure
Scott
Superbia
ptmc
Dane(again)
48 hours later, sudden drop and separation from clear townreads with no mentioning of Xata at all in posts taking place in that 48 hours.
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I guess we only have to decide which one goes first. In meantime i'll read some others for fun brb.
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So Xata, you saying your scum reads are DYH, Skynx with me as a possible third, is that correct?
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Yeah I like ptmc post flip. I townread him on tone earlier even I dunno why i put him neutral on my list lol
His page 2 is like 90% game progressing stuff, posts reads, pueshes people to post reads, reaches reasonable conclusions man its actually a beauty.
On September 27 2016 17:02 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2016 09:22 DoYouHas wrote:
Response to Rels:
#1. I actually had 3 people I thought were likely scum D1. I also gave 4 town reads. I can't really respond to you saying everyone one of my reads is scummy since I don't know what that means.
I currently have no scum reads. I think I was wrong on Jealous and I'm not going to just jump to another person until I reassess the game. This just is what it is. I don't think it is scummy to realize a flaw in your own case, in fact I think it shows that I wasn't just trying to attack Jealous, I genuinely thought he was scum. But apparently for no other reason than him attacking Lunatic, which after the flip is kind of hard to sell? Show nested quote +
For claiming to know my meta you have a strange way of repeating history. In the exact game you reference you come after me for having low volume, for not liking the way I voted, and for not having scum reads, all around D1 and N1. Sound familiar? The case that caught HtS came AFTER a reassessment of the game and AFTER being attacked by yourself and others for not having scumreads. You paint me as a mover and shaker that gets shit done but forget that I really wasn't until I gained a mound of town cred for my role in getting HtS lynched. It is eerie how similar this early game dynamic between us is.
#2. "DYH baited a conversation" sounds so devious. As if I was luring Stutters into some big mistake. Which was what exactly? Talking to me? Talking about ptmc? I phrased it the way I did because why the hell not. I don't have a plan or a scheme or a reason outside of wanting to hear what he thought of ptmc and doing so before disagreeing with him about SEQ. Which is exactly what happened. I don't know where you are getting, "Stutters didn't take the bait". He gave me 2 solid thoughts on ptmc. Just because they were brief and my thoughts on SEQ weren't doesn't change that.
i don't care about either side on these points Show nested quote +
#3. Me in respect to the Luna lynch is the only decent point you make here. I didn't think providing a town read on Stutters without a reason made him scum. After all, I had done the exact same thing and everyone focusing on Luna completely ignored it. I was actually thinking he was town, even after the power role crap even though it was anti-town. It was far from a confident read, but that was the way I was leaning. It wasn't until he had shut down for a goodly length of time that I started accepting him as a good lynch target. With him actually flipping scum my hesitancy in pursuing him and voting him doesn't look good, fair enough.
so, you agree that a case against you makes sense Show nested quote +
However, here is where your argument is just bad. I did not like the play of Dane and Jealous, I thought their play was scummy. Their suspicions happened to be on Luna.
I don't agree that they "happened to be" on Luna. They called him out for playing weird, and his play just got weirder from it. And why would you focus on only Dane and Jealous, when literally the whole thread except for you, scott and stutters (and superbia) was pressuring Lunatic? Show nested quote +
I thought Luna's play was anti-town and it was his lack of activity that pushed him into scummy territory. I wasn't putting forth my guess for the complete scum team, I was putting forth the people who looked scummy enough to me that I would want to lynch them, without drawing on pre-flip association.
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Every way you characterize me as scum is undercut by something else you don't like.
I don't want to analyse Luna but I engage Jealous on the topic. I 'defend' Luna by putting Dane and Jealous in my lynch list, but do nothing to move the lynch. I 'bus' Luna but in no way set myself up to look good on the flip.
I feel like the bus was too quick for mafia to react with a decent bus anyway. Yes Show nested quote +but I would be the most half-measure, lackluster scum ever, failing to take advantage of anything. I would really hope you would realize I'm better than that.
so far i see very little good from you. Easily leaning towards the half-measure scum. Show nested quote +
Lastly, this isn't my scum meta. As scum I lurk, I position myself to look good the vast majority of the time, and I'm addicted to being right.
I don't care about this. Show us you're towny instead of defending your play from D1!
This mentality I like aswell.
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On September 28 2016 02:36 scott31337 wrote:
So Xata, you saying your scum reads are DYH, Skynx with me as a possible third, is that correct?
Scumreads DYH, scumreads me for scumreading DYH when I was supposed to scumread Luna. Feelsbadman.
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I have to cook. Reading others after the break.
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DYH, what's your reasoning for Town-reading Stutters? I'm looking through your filter, but I can't find anything to explain it.
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