EPTOn October 04 2016 07:41 Skynx wrote:
Disfo played better than all town combined lol
Disfo played better than all town combined lol
Pretty sure he sheeped my Xata read...
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Pretty sure he sheeped my Xata read... | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On October 04 2016 07:48 Calix wrote: +1 I am curious to see how this dude plays. Apparently there must be something more to that scrub if he gets called 'scumformation'  He'll always be Waffleboy to me ^.^ | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Ergo, his town play can look quite scummy, hence scumformation. | ||
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Jealous
10333 Posts
On October 04 2016 05:29 Calix wrote: In general, I think I was way too focused on 'looking townie' with my posting and thus I didn't do enough pushing of mafia objectives. Thus I'm concluding that I played terribly. I'll take tips from anyone  Yea, I kinda alluded to this in my coach QT: "Xata seems null at best to me, Stutters is MIA and formerly scummy, Scott is still pretty firmly town to me. I'm honestly more suspicious of the people who are "firmly" town like Calix and Rels because I feel like they knew they had cancer in their body and amputated it when it was too late (when Luna fucked up) and are still riding off of that + their first good impressions. It's damn hard to find what's scummy about them, it's more the sense of them playing too perfect or too town and being too trusted that's got me paranoid. " Once Rels was out, I was starting to strongly suspect you, but didn't have enough traction. Today was going to be the day that I try to make a case on you - I had set aside the next 3 hours for this, I come back, and it's over ): GG everyone, sorry for being MIA and weak so much of the game, IRL is OP. Maybe when life calms down a bit I shall return. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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Jealous
10333 Posts
Or maybe scum was just too paranoid and second-guessing. | ||
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
I laughed a lot when skynx said he didn't realize he was a blue role because he was "afk" to much and then returns to win the game. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 04 2016 22:27 Skynx wrote: I wasn't really afk, i just forgot about being a doc so i actually presented myself for lynch for real and forgot to send actions N2. )= | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On October 04 2016 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Someone can correct me here but disformation's play as both alignments, but even more so as town, is marked by paranoia to the extent he hedges on every player. I think now he has probabilities to tell people whom he's really townreading more than someone else, but he will always tinfoil the most towny players like mad. Ergo, his town play can look quite scummy, hence scumformation. I'm not hedging, ppl are just jealous cause my reads flow like water. And I think MafiaMage started calling me scumformation after a game, where I was scum in and he was town in. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 04 2016 14:06 Jealous wrote: Finished reading the scum QT, funny how my not doing much of anything helped town a fair amount. Might be a solid strategy for the future when I roll VT. Or maybe scum was just too paranoid and second-guessing. Is the scum QT worth reading? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
It is IMO, it is pretty interesting to follow Xata and Calix thought process during the game. But the end is pretty depressing | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 05 2016 07:19 Rels wrote: It is IMO, it is pretty interesting to follow Xata and Calix thought process during the game. But the end is pretty depressing Thank you. Will get around to read it sometime. Also, Skynx is one heck of a good doctor. Grack in HM3 and TT in this game. Hats off to him and his medical instincts. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Still though you'd be surprised what can happen even from a position that seems unwinnable, especially when town was a bit more in the dark than I think you guys were assuming near the end. Oh and feel free to make fun of me for those bad reasons to scumread you Calix, lol. That was more just me failing to articulate the gut read I had in a reasonable way. | ||
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AFK Jungle
Russian Federation59 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On October 04 2016 07:14 Calix wrote: Rels' post reminded me of something. How do you guys properly assess your scum partners' posts? Any tips there? I feel like I was being too harsh on my scum buddies because I knew that they were scum and thus pushed them for things which otherwise would have gone unnoticed. Might have been why Lunatic died. (although I was being lenient on Xatalos - I would have been all over his hedge-posts as town, lol) I wanted to respond to this. Sorry the lateness. Personally, i evaluate my position on my teammates by following the logic i call E.E.W.V.T.I which stands for: Evaluate Endgame Want Verus Town Ideology the first half, "Evaluate Endgame Want" is what you WANT the read to be. If your bussing, than you want a SR on your teammate. If you want to keep them around, you want a TR. The goal of any good scum team is to keep all your teammates alive, so I will assume you as well want to do that. Look at your partner's posts, and think "what about them are towny". Then list those ideas, and contrast them to what is stopping you from using those points in a TR. Lets say I was your partner. I posted a few posts and you have: Pro Town: Mindset Wants to solve the game Early vote Pro Scum: Tone You see I have a tonal issue. You than communicate to me that problem, while making a weaker read/post that puts you potentially in the place to townread me. Such as a town lean or just following the logic in my post. This course, needs to be balanced out by the actual town's views, or "Verus town Ideology" I cannot tell you how many times I looked better on a teammate, by looking at town's reads as scum. Basically compare other peoples reads to the read you want to give a team mate. Going back to that list you made, and adding points that other players come up with. A course, sometimes you must go against the thread to save a player (or bus them), so do take this with a grain of salt. some notes: -never look like you have TMI ever, especially in regards to a reading a teammate. Not reading, or overly reading your mate will result in associative reads. -Always look like you are trying to solve a enigma. Town will pick up that something is up if you auto-town read your teammate. Make it not obv that your E.E.W is showing to town. -Do not fear going against your E.E.W. for a short time frame. Don't change it, but don't feel like you have to stick to that plan. This goes back to the last tip of trying to look like your busy. -D1 is the hardest day for this. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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