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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways" I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning. So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF. I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote: Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained. I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways" I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning. So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF. I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation. Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation? On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 21 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote: You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble. I finally get to do it before Gumshoe you cunt, this will never be forgiven XD Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO. To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that. dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / : now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys. six I thunk? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it. I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here! [1] I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here. this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect). | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 21 2016 01:26 Tumblewood wrote: .... It would also help to know whether you have a tendency to be overexplainy as town/scum. I am fairly verbose as both alignments. (Even more so with the post-restriction, I will make sure that I avoid EBWOPs.) Also read your filters from Storm and NSM20, first couple of pages you are pretty open-ended and then your arguments even if wrong, were still a bit more substantial than early game. So I can buy the argument that your play isn't outside the scope of town play. I can see posts 139/140/144 coming from a town Tumbleweed. In fact 144 was also what I was thinking about GB. (More on that below.) On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote: Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained. [...] I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways" [...] Your gut is wrong but since you mentioned the lack of commitment I'll go ahead and give you examples as to why I said what I did: Town lazy meta - most recently NSM 18 (I coached a townie), Carol and Titanic 7 (I remember these because I tried getting him lynched for his laziness out of ignorance) Town active meta - Not Themed Mafia (I was scum and buddied the shit outta him) Mafia active meta - Carnaval do Brasil, Ippo (hosted/cohosted these games) Mafia lazy meta - Dark Tournament (we were mafia together) So no, I have enough knowledge and direct interaction with him that I shouldn't commit to a read and that I am deliberately waiting to see more. On GB, GB's been around here long enough to know that bolding names is the same as voting for them, that's how it's done. So I also don't understand post 142 - I wonder if GB is trying to make something out of nothing (which is scummy). sicklucker explicitly said in post 118 his posts were just for reactions. It is implied that he's gotten nothing out of them (second sentence). GB I'm curious as to whether you have any reads on anyone else. Your filter exclusively focus on sicklucker, there's been quite a bit of stuff happening with other people. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO. To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that. Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it. Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well". Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere. It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that. Why could he be mafia at that moment in time? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 21 2016 03:06 Koshi wrote: Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it. Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well". Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere. It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute. cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun. I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me. I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac? That said I dont like this bit from tic as well Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh. in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_- | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Koshi, assuming you are town, I think you are completely misunderstanding most of how I'm presenting things. I'll start with post 148. If you wanted me to sum up in 1-2 lines the 5 liner that you are having issues with, what I'm saying to you is that you are town, but I think you're wrong on Fecalfeast - and I'm just explaining why - and my basis for that is the more intimate knowledge that I have on him (better explained in post 147). That's it. Post 149 what I was getting at there is that your argument for him for being underwhelming is something I considered NAI (again better explained in post 147), and that other criteria that will revolve around me better able to evaluate him (i.e. voting, VCA, NK analysis, late game play). Right now, he's null - hence the wording "he could be mafia". Because right now the state of his play could be coming from either alignment. Am I making better sense? | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Yay, another game without a 'confirm' window. Is this a thing now? Anyway, was busy at work this afternoon and am then planning to go for a swim when I get back, but I'll be on later. If you all could work out who the Mafia are me before then, that'd be great. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
But I don't understand why. 1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town. But I don't understand why. 1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF. at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /  Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I think LS is scum. He asks a joke questions right off the bat but then tries to defend it as 'trying to stir up discussion' when he gets called out for it in sicklucker's fake vote post. On April 20 2016 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: I was trying to stir up discussion but instead you said it was wasted :\ Bad sicklucker bad boy as if you need some tin foil hats. Here is one you can borrow until you go full Vivax: ![[image loading]](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53016c21e4b0484cf754d052/t/55536c41e4b0a7df4f94aa44/1431530562676/) The fact that LS called someone out for not trying to stir up discussion after making a joke post himself is one thing, but to defend the joke post in the same way you condemned the other post? What kind of useful discussion would his 'earth is flat' question have brought to the game? If anything it wasted a post making sicklucker respond to it. LS is trying to seem like he's contributing. + Show Spoiler [also] + On April 20 2016 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf I didn't even notice that he didn't put it in the vote thread lol...... Okay then..... This post, to me, shows that LS was so worried that he was being scumread right away that he didn't even think to check the voting thread. I think HTS' reaction to koshi's scumread was a little odd (going from "FF could be mafia" to "I think you're wrong on FF") but I think I understand her reasoning now. other than that I haven't been reading too closely tbh 6? | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On April 21 2016 04:04 Fidei86 wrote: 1/40 Yay, another game without a 'confirm' window. Is this a thing now? Anyway, was busy at work this afternoon and am then planning to go for a swim when I get back, but I'll be on later. If you all could work out who the Mafia are me before then, that'd be great. something about this screams 'IDK how to enter the game' to me. someone throw me a tinfoil hat 7 | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything. Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town? 5 btw I didn't ask for your reads just what your thoughts were. In fact if you notice in last big post I didn't call anyone town or scum (thought you might imply that based off what I said). So "idk maybe town" isn't really what I was hoping for. Mixed feelings about Koshi's push on FF, on the one hand I like the pressure but I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy about FF. In fact if I had to point to anything that might make me lean scum on FF it would be his lazy townread on me, but Koshi kinda did that too. + Show Spoiler + Part of me wonders if Koshi was trying to buddy me in #116. Calls my post "really good" and sets the bar, and proceeds to imitate the formatting I used. Just a tinfoil thought... I guess I agree with HtS about FF too, I've seen him lazy as town and scum. Tbh I'm not sure he's really done anything alignment indicative yet, partially why I asked him about Damdred (figuered he plays with Damdred a lot so might have some thoughts). @LS what made you have this expectation of me? TT post irked me a bit yes because considering the start of the game I would expect him to try to stir up discussion sooner rather than later due to post restrictions :\ Also why did you bring up your last scum game when you are saying HtS is going after you for being an easy target? On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote: I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here. IIRC you played fairly well in that game and have been working to improve your play in general. So that kinda works against you being an "easy target". Just feels like OMGUS to me, and kinda weak omgus at that. Part of that is that you spent 4 posts on this point, but didn't really say anything in any of them. On April 21 2016 01:26 Tumblewood wrote: I liked LS's comment that Tictock was making a post to say that he wouldn't be contributing. The only people I am considering as possible scum right now are you, Shape, and TT but that's obviously subject to change. I am townleaning Koshi because of his solid entrance, but I don't think that Damdred has done anything he couldn't do as scum. I am also getting used to your style, so I can't yet be sure whether your method of reading me is scummy or just unfamiliar. It would also help to know whether you have a tendency to be overexplainy as town/scum. I made a post saying I'd be around later, idk how you interpenetrate that as saying I won't be contributing. Sure if I never followed that up then this is a point, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that I did follow up... So why are you (or were you in this post) thinking that I or HtS are mafia? You actually said this: HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. Which besides being kinda funny (you are only thinking that you are town) it's odd that you put LS on the same level of townyness as yourself. Was there more to this read or is it just because you like his comment about my open? Getting towny vibes from Koshi now, #148 and #149 in particular feels like a townie pushing his thoughts. Also kinda like the latest couple of posts from FF and I kinda agree with his point about Fidei's opening. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
4. Shapelog 6. Fidei86 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 9. GlowingBear 11. LightningStrike So whoever is town in this list if you could pick it up a little... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ERxkPzh.jpg) | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure. I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
TT lynch list is pretty bad it's pretty Mich every low hanging fruit in the game at this juncture. Is scum inside it I'm not sure at this point. But it bothers me a small bit. Koshis also is becoming more towny as he posts more. I would probably lynch any one who wants to kill him or throw suspicion on him. His push on ff wasn't bad and actually seemed logically founded. His push on hts is 100% better. HTS is the most likely scum in the thread atm, tells koshi that if he's town but continuously talks to him like he's town and doesn't seem really to consider he's scum. And to a small degree back tracks everywhere while over explaining every little detail. It just reeks to me. I think I'm wrong on ls and he can be town and shouldn't be lynched today. TT I am torn on, his tone sounds towny and his approach is ok. But his lynch list is so bad and he ignores or downplays things. My gut says just activity wise he has to be town from how he's played his last few scum games. Yeah kinda think hts is best lynch, which isn't a bad thing. I think,she's leaving her options open on ff incase a wagon builds and she can just jump on super noncommittal one that I think,about it to. I like an hts lynch more and more | ||
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