My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.
101
The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
110
Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.
Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.
Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.
On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened
LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo.
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\ Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that.
He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop.
LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic.
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it.
I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own.
That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm.
Okay let me make this straight: Yes I didn't like his vote but the way he broke it down seem very town and something I do expect from a town!gumshoe based on previous experience with him. Weird does not equal me scumreading someone just makes something weird >.< About the tinfoil hat guy: I like that picture and thought it was hillrious is does represent Vivax in a nutshell for me ^_^
On April 20 2016 21:56 Half the Sky wrote: 2/40
My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.
101
The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
110
Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.
Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.
Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.
TT post irked me a bit yes because considering the start of the game I would expect him to try to stir up discussion sooner rather than later due to post restrictions :\
My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.
101
The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
110
Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.
Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.
Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.
Yeah, I noticed the fact he was small twisting things as I am reading. The question thing I feel like could come from either alignment (even with the info in the thread) from tumble, as his style is to open up with some...questionable questions lol.
Usually, he becomes easier for me to read later into the game, as his motives are clearer and such, and his thought process becomes easier for me to see.
My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.
101
The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
110
Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.
Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.
Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.
TT post irked me a bit yes because considering the start of the game I would expect him to try to stir up discussion sooner rather than later due to post restrictions :\
He did come back though. Which is good. As someone who just rolled scum with TT, this is very different. In storm (Team rebels 4 life) TT has/had been suffering from rolling scum a lot, which reflected in his play. He was moot. In fact, he posted something simlar as a opening here, and never follow threw. Even in Devil, he wasn't this quick with reads or anything (IIRC). Most of the first 24 hours were him joking. with me in particular.
I still going through his read list to see if anything stands out.
On post 123, I get what you (LS) are trying to say, but regardless of the post-restriction, that does not make him mafia, never mind you failed to notice/observe/whatever his subsequent post, and if you did it hasn't changed your opinion on him. Look at people like sicklucker and Fecalfeast, those two are hanging back to some extent - and Koshi even mentioned the same - so from your perspective why the double standard or at least why not take note of them?
I did noticed but if FF doesn't post more chances are he's scum because I seen his lazy scum game before mind you it was a while ago hedecied he would rather play fall out 4 than playing scum. Also sl I just can't read him properly so I letting other people do it for me due to me misreading him hard when's town because I normally think he's scum nowadays >.<
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
LS, I drink wine as town and whisky as mafia. Fidei was the one who drinks Sauvignon Blanc after mislynches. Get it right please.
On a serious note, though, I'm still concerned you think (confirm/deny????) Tictock could be mafia? Clarify that please? You haven't said jack all on that after it was pointed out.
I can buy the point on SL, but Fecalfeast is lazy and has been so as both alignments. I was mafia in Dark Tournament with him - the game which you reference - so I know for a fact his laziness wasn't what made him mafia, it was the manner in which he bussed me after I was (effectively) redchecked. (Mage being the free DT check in that case.) That drew Shining's attention after I flipped not because he was a low-volume poster. As stated, there is still likely Fecalfeast could be mafia but this isn't the reason why. I am going to use other criteria to evaluate him. (NB: Everyone else, I bring this up since LS relies heavily on meta to read people.)
Irregardless, I'm not picking at you because you're an "easy" target - there are IMO a number of contentious statements/arguments in your posts that I'm trying to pick out just like I did in SOTW 2. Also I'm confused at best by you referencing the games on yourself - by your own admission you changed your meta very recently, so I'm just trying to take your posts in this game, in isolation and work from there.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
Jesus LS, you already at 12/40 posts. When you make another post btw, can you reply about what I said about TT last game? Want to see your opionons on it.
I don't know what to make of Hts's vote. Some of it sounds like she is still trying to figure you out + Show Spoiler +
Look at people like sicklucker and Fecalfeast, those two are hanging back to some extent - and Koshi even mentioned the same - so from your perspective why the double standard or at least why not take note of them?
in a way. So the timing is a bit off IMO.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Go ahead and scum read me. Makes me better as town
HtS is a female lol. So she has different opinions then you. That is a normal game of mafia, and I don't think that really is reason to be sus. of people.
Also, lol, you think you are town ^^? Also followup, nothing strucked me off while reading TT's read list. [7]
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?
That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.
Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.
My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.
101
The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
110
Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.
Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.
Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.
Yeah, I noticed the fact he was small twisting things as I am reading. The question thing I feel like could come from either alignment (even with the info in the thread) from tumble, as his style is to open up with some...questionable questions lol.
Usually, he becomes easier for me to read later into the game, as his motives are clearer and such, and his thought process becomes easier for me to see.
My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.
101
The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
110
Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.
Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.
Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.
TT post irked me a bit yes because considering the start of the game I would expect him to try to stir up discussion sooner rather than later due to post restrictions :\
He did come back though. Which is good. As someone who just rolled scum with TT, this is very different. In storm (Team rebels 4 life) TT has/had been suffering from rolling scum a lot, which reflected in his play. He was moot. In fact, he posted something simlar as a opening here, and never follow threw. Even in Devil, he wasn't this quick with reads or anything (IIRC). Most of the first 24 hours were him joking. with me in particular.
I still going through his read list to see if anything stands out.
Noted although his second post seems fine at first glance I will go more into it later.
On April 21 2016 00:09 Half the Sky wrote: 4/40
LS, I drink wine as town and whisky as mafia. Fidei was the one who drinks Sauvignon Blanc after mislynches. Get it right please.
On a serious note, though, I'm still concerned you think (confirm/deny????) Tictock could be mafia? Clarify that please? You haven't said jack all on that after it was pointed out.
I can buy the point on SL, but Fecalfeast is lazy and has been so as both alignments. I was mafia in Dark Tournament with him - the game which you reference - so I know for a fact his laziness wasn't what made him mafia, it was the manner in which he bussed me after I was (effectively) redchecked. (Mage being the free DT check in that case.) That drew Shining's attention after I flipped not because he was a low-volume poster. As stated, there is still likely Fecalfeast could be mafia but this isn't the reason why. I am going to use other criteria to evaluate him. (NB: Everyone else, I bring this up since LS relies heavily on meta to read people.)
Irregardless, I'm not picking at you because you're an "easy" target - there are IMO a number of contentious statements/arguments in your posts that I'm trying to pick out just like I did in SOTW 2. Also I'm confused at best by you referencing the games on yourself - by your own admission you changed your meta very recently, so I'm just trying to take your posts in this game, in isolation and work from there.
Well the imagery is what I going for as they didn't have a good whisky picture for that type of setting. He was even lazier than normal in his scum game like I asked him to do something he wouldn't do it because he wanted a zero effort scum game. Well you were obsing the game that why I referenced it.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
I liked LS's comment that Tictock was making a post to say that he wouldn't be contributing. The only people I am considering as possible scum right now are you, Shape, and TT but that's obviously subject to change. I am townleaning Koshi because of his solid entrance, but I don't think that Damdred has done anything he couldn't do as scum. I am also getting used to your style, so I can't yet be sure whether your method of reading me is scummy or just unfamiliar. It would also help to know whether you have a tendency to be overexplainy as town/scum.
Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?
That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.
Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.
I think it's townie because that's the kind of post scum just ignores. After playing Storm and XX with him, I don't really scumread him for having bad reasons for his reads, because that seems to be NAI for him.
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