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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2016 20:38 GMT
#161
On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote:
I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.

But I don't understand why.

1) I put pressure on FF.
2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure.
3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.


at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /

Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.

That is not the point.............................................

The point is why is a townie sparked to write 5 entire lines on something that is nothing at all???? So HtS just wrote this much:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

To conclude that FF might be scum, or might not be scum.



What went on in HTS her head to make that a prior topic to talk about and solve the game around?

The only reason a townie would feel to need to write all that is to say "Koshi back off, I think ff is most likely town" but that was not it. It was "Koshi back off I think fefe is completely null".

Why would you do that 2 pages into the game? I don't understand. Why not just wait and see what happens? And the entire way how she did it was so odd.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2016 20:39 GMT
#162
On April 21 2016 05:31 Damdred wrote:
My phone bit the dust so I'm using farahs phone until I can go to the store and get one tommorow. But thankfully I'll still make all deadlines.

TT lynch list is pretty bad it's pretty Mich every low hanging fruit in the game at this juncture. Is scum inside it I'm not sure at this point. But it bothers me a small bit.

Koshis also is becoming more towny as he posts more. I would probably lynch any one who wants to kill him or throw suspicion on him. His push on ff wasn't bad and actually seemed logically founded. His push on hts is 100% better.

HTS is the most likely scum in the thread atm, tells koshi that if he's town but continuously talks to him like he's town and doesn't seem really to consider he's scum. And to a small degree back tracks everywhere while over explaining every little detail. It just reeks to me.

I think I'm wrong on ls and he can be town and shouldn't be lynched today.

TT I am torn on, his tone sounds towny and his approach is ok. But his lynch list is so bad and he ignores or downplays things. My gut says just activity wise he has to be town from how he's played his last few scum games.

Yeah kinda think hts is best lynch, which isn't a bad thing. I think,she's leaving her options open on ff incase a wagon builds and she can just jump on super noncommittal one that I think,about it to.

I like an hts lynch more and more

Yes. This is what I am talking about. HtS is not solving the game. Just hedging. And even though a townie hts could say all the things she did as town. It wasn't the time to say those things at that point in the game.

I am not certain on hts atm. But like I said. I would vote her over most others atm
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2016 20:47 GMT
#163
I am reading gumshoe his filter and I have no fucking clue what game he is playing.

Also a really good lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 20 2016 20:50 GMT
#164
are we still mad at me koshi? What do you think of LS?


On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.

Have you done the reading, Fiddy?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 20 2016 20:54 GMT
#165
On April 21 2016 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
are we still mad at me koshi? What do you think of LS?


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.

Have you done the reading, Fiddy?

No I was eating dinner. I've sat down now and got my notepad out and everything.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
April 20 2016 20:55 GMT
#166
On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.




I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
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On April 20 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote:
My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days.

I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!

[1]

Lol Damdred.

I personally hate Plynchs in general tbh. Prob. because I like content and not luck in lynching someone lol (even though I rarely make it easy for people to read me as town via content )

Also yes, was bout to do this.

[3][3/5 for off the bat]

Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches
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On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.

I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done.

Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three
Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke


His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
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On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.

On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread.
HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.



He says:
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.

With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions?
HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS)
Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later.


It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.
On April 20 2016 11:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you being serious right now SL?

3

speaking on behalf of SL
no

On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.

I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways"


I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning.


So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF.


I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation.

Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation?
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On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
4
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective

Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight.

On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Actually no
The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction.


##Vote: Tumblewood


I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2016 21:04 GMT
#167
TT why do you ignore everything posted on hts which isn't bad even if it's in early stages, only look at tumble to scum read but ignore ff who you were unhappy with his answer to you but didn't put him in your lynch list when he semi dodged you?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 20 2016 21:15 GMT
#168
Damdred, why do you think LS is town? You said "I think I'm wrong and he can be town" but no reasoning. You also didn't comment on me, though you said koshi's pressure was(is?) logically founded.




I'm also inclined to agree with Malcolm X and Damdred about HTS. The fact that she's not posted much else isn't helping since it's getting close to bedtime in the UK which means unless she comes back soon we may not hear from her until closer to deadline.




On April 21 2016 05:55 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.




I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote:
My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days.

I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!

[1]

Lol Damdred.

I personally hate Plynchs in general tbh. Prob. because I like content and not luck in lynching someone lol (even though I rarely make it easy for people to read me as town via content )

Also yes, was bout to do this.

[3][3/5 for off the bat]

Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.

I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done.

Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three
Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke


His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.

On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread.
HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.



He says:
Show nested quote +
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.

With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions?
HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS)
Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later.


It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you being serious right now SL?

3

speaking on behalf of SL
no

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.

I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways"


I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning.


So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF.


I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation.

Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation?
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
4
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective

Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Actually no
The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction.


##Vote: Tumblewood



-Bad opening
-pushing a weak reason for a scumread
-not reading closely


Sounds like my town game most of the time

9 i think
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 20 2016 21:15 GMT
#169
On April 21 2016 00:50 Half the Sky wrote:
6/40

Shapelog, I'll rephrase the question.

Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?

That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.

Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.

[5/40]
HTS, when was the last time you played with LS? Because the concerning thing for me in this game is that he is actually giving reads with some explanation. In the last two games I played with him as town, that NEVER happened.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2016 21:20 GMT
#170
On April 21 2016 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
are we still mad at me koshi? What do you think of LS?


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.

Have you done the reading, Fiddy?

I forgot why I would be mad at you so no.

LS is ok for now. 3 good posts. No fluff. Seems honest. Pushes game forward. All based on his train of thought.
On April 20 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
I did noticed but if FF doesn't post more chances are he's scum because I seen his lazy scum game before mind you it was a while ago hedecied he would rather play fall out 4 than playing scum. Also sl I just can't read him properly so I letting other people do it for me due to me misreading him hard when's town because I normally think he's scum nowadays >.<


On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote:
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.

On April 21 2016 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW Tumblewood is most likely town he done similar things in Storm and the latest Newbie game and got scumread for it in those games too.


Why would we kill this guy?
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2016 21:24 GMT
#171
On April 21 2016 06:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred, why do you think LS is town? You said "I think I'm wrong and he can be town" but no reasoning. You also didn't comment on me, though you said koshi's pressure was(is?) logically founded.




I'm also inclined to agree with Malcolm X and Damdred about HTS. The fact that she's not posted much else isn't helping since it's getting close to bedtime in the UK which means unless she comes back soon we may not hear from her until closer to deadline.




Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:55 Tictock wrote:
On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.




I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote:
My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days.

I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!

[1]

Lol Damdred.

I personally hate Plynchs in general tbh. Prob. because I like content and not luck in lynching someone lol (even though I rarely make it easy for people to read me as town via content )

Also yes, was bout to do this.

[3][3/5 for off the bat]

Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.

I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done.

Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three
Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke


His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.

On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread.
HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.



He says:
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.

With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions?
HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS)
Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later.


It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.
On April 20 2016 11:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you being serious right now SL?

3

speaking on behalf of SL
no

On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.

I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways"


I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning.


So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF.


I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation.

Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation?
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
4
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective

Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight.

On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Actually no
The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction.


##Vote: Tumblewood



-Bad opening
-pushing a weak reason for a scumread
-not reading closely


Sounds like my town game most of the time

9 i think


I currently have no opinion about you specifically I have a horrible associative read that involves you I'd rather not say yet.

And I can like someone's push without having a read on the person they are pushing at that point. It showed a towny mindset for koshi that is about far as ny opinion has went.

As for ls I had a scum read in one of my posts about his opening and him rehashing earlier posts.

Now I think he's been ok, he's been helpful and has tried to eliminate people based off meta. I'm not 100% it makes him lock town but it's enough to give him time see how he handles lynch without pressure on him and what he does with his time.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 20 2016 21:24 GMT
#172
On April 21 2016 05:09 Tictock wrote:
Right now I wouldn't be opposed to lynching any of these people for varying reasons.

4. Shapelog
6. Fidei86
7. DoYouHas
8. Tumblewood
9. GlowingBear
11. LightningStrike

So whoever is town in this list if you could pick it up a little...
[image loading]


The reason why I really really don't like this post is that it seems to be something of a "here is who isn't saying much" list, except that it doesn't include SL, who has said one thing so far? (Maybe two?)

Unless there are good reasons for all these names that aren't to do with inactivity, and which will be explained later I guess.

[6/40]
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2016 21:26 GMT
#173
Anyway. I don't have to add too much on HTS atm. Can somebody tell me what they see on gumshoe? He was playing so clear and so good in the last numbered game. Easy townread. Now he is making a terrible case on damdred (which I feel he would do as mafia knowing he said in the last game that he always posts a hard try post as town). And is defending hts pretty hard but his logic is so flawed and he is the only one who sees what he sees. And his suspicion on TT was not that convincing at all.


So. Any reason why he is town?
I had a good night of sleep.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 20 2016 21:30 GMT
#174
Back home now from classes:
On April 21 2016 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to try not to omgus because I always omgus. I think your reason for voting me is silly and contradicts your first post; I am able to prove myself towny later in the game.


I think LS is scum. He asks a joke questions right off the bat but then tries to defend it as 'trying to stir up discussion' when he gets called out for it in sicklucker's fake vote post.
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On April 20 2016 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:37 sicklucker wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
I will not be numbering my posts I like to live on the edge.

dandred for blatantly wasting posts

If you like to live on the edge you saying the Earth is flat?


ok I change my mind that is a complete wasted post and half policy ##vote lightnightstrike

I was trying to stir up discussion but instead you said it was wasted :\ Bad sicklucker bad boy as if you need some tin foil hats. Here is one you can borrow until you go full Vivax:
[image loading]



The fact that LS called someone out for not trying to stir up discussion after making a joke post himself is one thing, but to defend the joke post in the same way you condemned the other post? What kind of useful discussion would his 'earth is flat' question have brought to the game? If anything it wasted a post making sicklucker respond to it. LS is trying to seem like he's contributing.
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On April 20 2016 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf I didn't even notice that he didn't put it in the vote thread lol...... Okay then.....

This post, to me, shows that LS was so worried that he was being scumread right away that he didn't even think to check the voting thread.


I think HTS' reaction to koshi's scumread was a little odd (going from "FF could be mafia" to "I think you're wrong on FF") but I think I understand her reasoning now.

other than that I haven't been reading too closely tbh


6?

[image loading]

So my joke post was kinda in a way I tried to see if I could get any alignment indicative stuff from SL but unfornately it didn't If he thought the Earth was flat I would of called him scum for that fact.
I don't like being scumread as either alignment so that argument is null FF as you seen in most of my town games and Cell which you had been in games with me.
You really want to summon the ace attorney?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 20 2016 21:32 GMT
#175
On April 21 2016 06:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 00:50 Half the Sky wrote:
6/40

Shapelog, I'll rephrase the question.

Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?

That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.

Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.

[5/40]
HTS, when was the last time you played with LS? Because the concerning thing for me in this game is that he is actually giving reads with some explanation. In the last two games I played with him as town, that NEVER happened.

She last played with me in Dark Tournament o.o I had given reads with some explanations before as town.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 20 2016 21:33 GMT
#176
Gumshoe has thrown a bunch of reads out there, he seemed to naturally deflect my early jab at him making mountains out of molehills regarding damdred..

Let's see he has in his filter:

damdred scum town
shape scumlean
HTS town
Me(ff) scumlean


that being said I'm not a fan of the earlygame stuff, and his passive defense of HTS is odd, too. He does seem to be posting naturally, in my eyes, though.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 20 2016 21:34 GMT
#177
On April 21 2016 05:55 Tictock wrote:
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On April 21 2016 05:14 Fidei86 wrote:
2/40

@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.

I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.




I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote:
My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days.

I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!

[1]

Lol Damdred.

I personally hate Plynchs in general tbh. Prob. because I like content and not luck in lynching someone lol (even though I rarely make it easy for people to read me as town via content )

Also yes, was bout to do this.

[3][3/5 for off the bat]

Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.

I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done.

Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three
Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke


His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.

On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread.
HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.



He says:
Show nested quote +
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.

With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions?
HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS)
Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later.


It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you being serious right now SL?

3

speaking on behalf of SL
no

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.

I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways"


I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning.


So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF.


I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation.

Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation?
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
4
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective

Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Actually no
The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction.


##Vote: Tumblewood



This doesn't make Tumblewood scum it as if you forgot about Storm and you never read Newbie Student XX >.< I see him as a newer version of me: Hard to read for some people but given time he easier to read.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 20 2016 21:45 GMT
#178
9/40

I honestly have no idea at this juncture why people are trying to lynch me aside from overexplanation (which I explained at least twice now in thread), but it also seems like my points on GB (and he hasn't returned since) also got lost in the shuffle.

Damdred and Koshi, hedging on what exactly? I gave my explicit reasons for waiting on Fecalfeast at the time I did. The first few posts when he re-entered, particularly the comment on Fidei, seems reflective of his town game.

Damdred, you might want to read gumshoe's post on me - he actually understood what I was trying to say on Koshi and his read on Fecalfeast.

Also you are completely ignoring why I backtracked on Tumbleweed. Try again, or at least read my filter, I know you are one to play a lot on mobile, so assuming you are not mafia trying to get a mislynch, you very well might have missed what I did to get where I am now. Re: Koshi, I read his filter a few times as we were going back and forth and I get the sense he's town even if he's dead wrong on me.

Right now, based on the people I've looked at, GB and LS both look the most suspicious, but I haven't read in depth from page 8 other than the accusations.

I'd also like to see more from sicklucker. IIRC he played a semi-inactive scum game in Drams. We're just north of the halfway point so I do want to see some serious reads soonish.

Updated reads from DYH (yes I know he's generally low volume, but still) and Shapelog would be great. Will probably read Shapelog again given what Tumble said about the quality of his answers, but seeing as how a lot of my townreads are playing and the number of people that have posted less than me, I get the feeling someone has me fooled, one mafia is pushing my lynch and the third is really playing under the radar.

Fidei, the last game I played full stop with LS was Dark Tournament (unaliased, mind you), even the smurf game aside, LS has been upfront about changing his meta since Cell mafia so I am approaching all his posts at face value. As in, yes he's giving reads, but I am checking into why he's making them.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2016 21:47 GMT
#179
Ok HTS. That was a killer good post. Holy damn. Mafia is playing really good indeed.
I had a good night of sleep.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 20 2016 21:50 GMT
#180
On April 21 2016 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Back home now from classes:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to try not to omgus because I always omgus. I think your reason for voting me is silly and contradicts your first post; I am able to prove myself towny later in the game.


I think LS is scum. He asks a joke questions right off the bat but then tries to defend it as 'trying to stir up discussion' when he gets called out for it in sicklucker's fake vote post.
On April 20 2016 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:37 sicklucker wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
I will not be numbering my posts I like to live on the edge.

dandred for blatantly wasting posts

If you like to live on the edge you saying the Earth is flat?


ok I change my mind that is a complete wasted post and half policy ##vote lightnightstrike

I was trying to stir up discussion but instead you said it was wasted :\ Bad sicklucker bad boy as if you need some tin foil hats. Here is one you can borrow until you go full Vivax:
[image loading]



The fact that LS called someone out for not trying to stir up discussion after making a joke post himself is one thing, but to defend the joke post in the same way you condemned the other post? What kind of useful discussion would his 'earth is flat' question have brought to the game? If anything it wasted a post making sicklucker respond to it. LS is trying to seem like he's contributing.
+ Show Spoiler [also] +
On April 20 2016 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf I didn't even notice that he didn't put it in the vote thread lol...... Okay then.....

This post, to me, shows that LS was so worried that he was being scumread right away that he didn't even think to check the voting thread.


I think HTS' reaction to koshi's scumread was a little odd (going from "FF could be mafia" to "I think you're wrong on FF") but I think I understand her reasoning now.

other than that I haven't been reading too closely tbh


6?

[image loading]

So my joke post was kinda in a way I tried to see if I could get any alignment indicative stuff from SL but unfornately it didn't If he thought the Earth was flat I would of called him scum for that fact.
I don't like being scumread as either alignment so that argument is null FF as you seen in most of my town games and Cell which you had been in games with me.
You really want to summon the ace attorney?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hx8WTHcie0

If the ace attourney finds scum, I'm all for it.
I have a feeling it's more like

[image loading]
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