On April 20 2016 18:20 sicklucker wrote:
do you have anything else to add
do you have anything else to add
Me? Nope. Just this is like the 3rd person in the last few months with scumslips... Other than that I got nothing.
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
April 20 2016 11:26 GMT
#1541
On April 20 2016 18:20 sicklucker wrote: do you have anything else to add Me? Nope. Just this is like the 3rd person in the last few months with scumslips... Other than that I got nothing. | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
April 20 2016 11:27 GMT
#1542
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rsoultin
Netherlands15129 Posts
April 20 2016 11:44 GMT
#1543
On April 20 2016 20:26 Onegu wrote: Me? Nope. Just this is like the 3rd person in the last few months with scumslips... Other than that I got nothing. oneguuuuuu please tell me the one time you've called me town in ages (apart from that amazing lylo win against ows <3) you're town. pretty please? cause i don't think you are :/ the saaaadness | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
April 20 2016 12:08 GMT
#1544
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
April 20 2016 12:17 GMT
#1545
On April 20 2016 21:08 sicklucker wrote: plz tell me the other people you have caught with scumslips... because I been in like most of your recent games and I cant recall one Fword dude in a recent newbie and I think it was kush in another. | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
April 20 2016 12:20 GMT
#1546
On April 20 2016 20:44 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2016 20:26 Onegu wrote: On April 20 2016 18:20 sicklucker wrote: do you have anything else to add Me? Nope. Just this is like the 3rd person in the last few months with scumslips... Other than that I got nothing. oneguuuuuu please tell me the one time you've called me town in ages (apart from that amazing lylo win against ows <3) you're town. pretty please? cause i don't think you are :/ the saaaadness Huh? We havent played with each other in ages and my memory isnt very good. Plus you still are scum. Everytime I think you arent I have to smack myself... | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
April 20 2016 12:22 GMT
#1547
On December 31 2015 00:44 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote: I have re-read the game from the start (yay no work!) and here is where my head is at at the moment. The reads are generally ordered from towniest to scummiest. Town Irishbound - I liked that from the outset he considered a wide range of players (see #408). Although I am null-y on Scott, it is hard to fault Irish's reasoning. Moreover, the fact that he has been on Scott for his posts, rather than some of the other low activity players (eg Onegu, Gigya) suggests that he's scum-hunting rather than looking for an easy out. Finally, I thought that his read on me was honest and the fact that he asked Alex for guidance (at #416) felt like a genuine cry for help. Shapelog - I really, really don't like Shape's approach to posting. Spam posting like he does is a pretty effective mafia tactic to confuse the thread and dissuade people from reading their filter. HOWEVER, I note that he had more than a page of filter in pre-game. Moreover, his posting has struck me more as someone who wants to play the game and is impatient with everyone else (see eg #232). That, to me, is something that a relatively new player would find difficult to replicate as mafia. I also liked him criticising GB for giving him a town read at #302 - as mafia it's much easier just to take the read and pocket it rather than challenge it. Finally, his list post at #448 covered all the bases for a town list post for me. The Cow - I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts. His read on me seemed very genuine and is actually something I agree with, in that I struggle to condense my thoughts down as far as I would like, and I tend to focus on ephemera (tone, overall posting strategy) rather than digging down into the weeds of detail. I like that he comes in with strong reads on Scott and Kmatt, then follows them up with helpful questions. I think most people (myself included) have been giving Irish a free-pass so far, so it's very useful to have someone sense-checking that as well. Null Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that. Alex/NM - Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town. Fair enough. My reads on Alex are coloured by the same thing - we've been town together twice. He is doing his usual prodding / poking and asking lots of questions. One concern I have is that I see the progression for his Scott read, and his GB read seems to be foreshadowed at #391, but I'm not sure he really has given any particular read on Kush/Noon to date? I agree with the read, but I'm not sure how he got there. GB - I have played with GB a fair few times before, but he plays differently every time and I usually rely on others to give a good read on him. Here, he has really given out town reads with very little supporting evidence (he 'liked' Alex's opening at (#195), when that was a JOKE OPENING!), and then placed a vote on Kmatt without explanation (#333). As an experienced player, this sort of high-read / low-analysis approach would be easily explained as either lazy/distracted town or mafia. Someone said that GB is in another game at the moment, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. There are definitely better lynches today. Kmatt - The big red flag for me here is what others have already pointed out - he seems very reluctant to give reads. That is understandable for a new player in his first game (#383). He does make an interesting point on GB that I kinda agree with (#197 - GB trying to buddy up to the thread). I think there are a lot of better lynches than Kmatt, but he's definitely someone to look back at if he doesn't start firming things up through D2. Scott - This is ugh. I think I'm actually better qualified than most people to read Scott, given that we've played three games together and I have given him a lot of attention in each. Yes, he and I have been town in each. HOWEVER, as I said before he has a number of different playstyles that seem to accord to how busy he is. And this is probably a mean thing to say, but I don't think he switches it up to keep his meta clean and I'm not sure he could. All that said, his content is totally garbage. He has had garbage content before as town. His read on Noon ("why would he TR me going against thread sentiment") is utterly idiotic, mostly because at that point there wasn't much thread sentiment against Scott AND because Noon's read was obviously weak. I don't want to jump straight onto Scott today because I think there are better lynches, and because (unlike others) he is very capable of coming back into the thread and being useful. Scum Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo. Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content. Policy Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent. I'm going to vote Gigya for now, but I'd consolidate onto Onegu or Kush if necessary later. ##Vote -- Gigya Right here! Read the bit on me. He calls me a mislynch. Fword dude knows I am town. He scumslipped here 100% Lynch with fire. No one believed me and he flipped mafia. It was basically all I yelled that entire game. | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
April 20 2016 12:26 GMT
#1548
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JustAnotherScummer
165 Posts
April 20 2016 13:08 GMT
#1549
On April 20 2016 10:41 rsoultin wrote: meh shape i really cba tbh...it would require more than a filter dive cause it's generally about being disassociated with the thread and a filter dive doesn't show that. might bother next day phase if i'm not nk'd ^^ Small things........ | ||
JustAnotherScummer
165 Posts
April 20 2016 13:12 GMT
#1550
On April 20 2016 13:23 Onegu wrote: Just for the record when I say something is a scumslip I expect people to follow me. He scum slipped again too rofl. | ||
justanothertownie
16243 Posts
April 20 2016 14:31 GMT
#1551
On April 20 2016 11:55 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote: lol okay yeah townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons) townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way) scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention) scum: tw lock and load tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat) though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^ over and out folkets hum im pretty sure jat was not all about lynching an un cced doctor. That was me I am pretty sure I said we should lynch him all day and had my vote on him before you said anything about it. If I was mafia with him I would try to make him do things in the qt and not in the thread. Considering his behaviour scum knew the whole day he wouldn't try at all. So why would I ever write something like that when it clearly only gets stupid people to scumread me? | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15129 Posts
April 20 2016 14:43 GMT
#1552
On April 20 2016 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2016 11:55 sicklucker wrote: On April 20 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote: lol okay yeah townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons) townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way) scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention) scum: tw lock and load tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat) though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^ over and out folkets hum im pretty sure jat was not all about lynching an un cced doctor. That was me I am pretty sure I said we should lynch him all day and had my vote on him before you said anything about it. If I was mafia with him I would try to make him do things in the qt and not in the thread. Considering his behaviour scum knew the whole day he wouldn't try at all. So why would I ever write something like that when it clearly only gets stupid people to scumread me? lol okay tbh this abrasiveness is also part of my townread on jat though i'm not sure if he'd do it as scum so that's why i didn't mention it earlier lol >< and no i won't be able to explain the difference between his natural argumentativeness that is often taken wrong and actual abrasiveness so don't even ask. just saying what's part of my read not trying to get anyone to agree @shape...yeah i'm just calling you town right now. like i get you want me to go into things in depth when it was mostly gut to begin with, and you might be using that to try to read me, but the things i remember are: - not liking your approach as a smurf in general cause it was annoying to read and just fluffy in a lot of places, though you did point out some decent things in the fluff which is why i wasn't really considering you for a d1 lynch too much - the eod vote on tumble (this i could still see a scum!shape doing, though ironically i think it's actually more likely if tumble ends up being scum) - the doc divergence (kinda out of the blue while everyone else is talking about actually relevant things <- and i saw a lot of this in the game we were just scum in) - the comment on scum being in that list was just soooo like silly scum!shape lol but obv you could do that as town, too ^ none of this makes you scum. some of it i could see coming from scum though so it's hard for me to confidently townread you that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things so yeah tldr: just not interested in parsing your filter out when i think you're probably town anyway and other lynches take priority ^^ | ||
justanothertownie
16243 Posts
April 20 2016 14:56 GMT
#1553
On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote: that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15129 Posts
April 20 2016 14:58 GMT
#1554
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol >< (and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15129 Posts
April 20 2016 15:07 GMT
#1555
On April 20 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote: that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too. unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^) related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers) | ||
justanothertownie
16243 Posts
April 20 2016 15:08 GMT
#1556
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote: also, just for the record, in regards to tumble i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol >< (and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) There are a lot of things in his filter where I really have trouble to see how a townie could ever think this even besides the things you pointed out. The problem I have is that he is so openly obstinate and irritating that it would be pretty insane mafia play actually. In most cases this behaviour comes from townies. Maybe I should check his other scumgames to get a baseline for that. I vaguely remember Koshi scumreading the dude for being cocky?! If that is true he might just be mafia. | ||
Rels
France13467 Posts
April 20 2016 15:10 GMT
#1557
Day 1 final votecount + Show Spoiler + GlowingBear: (6) Justanothertownie, Obiwanshinobi, Palmar, rsoultin, Superbia, tumblewood Superbia: (3) Tumblewood: (3) gumshoe, Rsoultin: (1) Onegu Day 2 final votecount + Show Spoiler + Superbia: (9) Gumshoe, Onegu, Obiwanshinobi, justanothertownie, sicklucker, rsoultin, justanotherscummer, rels, tumblewood Not voting: (1) Superbia | ||
Rels
France13467 Posts
April 20 2016 15:12 GMT
#1558
Tumble not jumping on Superbia but jumping on GB is a indeed a good point considering Superbia was RB. | ||
justanothertownie
16243 Posts
April 20 2016 15:16 GMT
#1559
On April 21 2016 00:07 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote: On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote: that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too. unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^) related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers) Unsurprisingly I don't have as much or as strong townreads as you do. SL irritates me because not long ago he said I was a really easy townread and this game he is doing everything he can to be able to scumread me. Like calling me "one of the best scummer" or something like that which is extremely uncharacteristic for him. There are other reasons for why he isn't someone I would go for in the near future though. Gumshoe is fine for now. Rels is basically null because there are some townie things and some scummy about him. Not my prefered lynch though. OWS is more or less the same. I would be more confident about him being town had he actually pushed the cc thing. He just complained and did nothing about it. Which sadly is something I could see town Obi do though. Onegu can die in a fire. I never lived in the U.S.?! | ||
justanothertownie
16243 Posts
April 20 2016 15:16 GMT
#1560
On April 21 2016 00:12 Rels wrote: JAT for some reason I thought you voted Superbia D1 ? Tumble not jumping on Superbia but jumping on GB is a indeed a good point considering Superbia was RB. No, I didn't. I had the vote already typed out after I said I would sheep Palmar on him but then he claimed so I stayed on GB. | ||
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