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On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 23:48 Sentenal wrote:
If I had to make a wild guess, my guess is that it would be related to Conqueror's Haki. In the past, Luffy has used Conqueror's Haki to control animals, and when it comes down to it, Zou is a big animal. It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings. Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 01:01 1oo wrote:On March 31 2016 19:45 Mensol wrote:
lol thats Scratchmen Apoo who is talking to Kaidou. Seems like Kid, Hawkins and Apoo became Kaidou's underlings. I thought so too, but i dont think Kidd would make himself an underling. Maybe only Apoo (and Hawkins?) joined after Kidd got shit on. In the square before we see the Apoo den-den mushi we see cell bars, so I'd assume someone among the three (probably Kidd) was beaten up and imprisoned by Kaidou. I can't really see what's behind the bars though.
true, i didn't notice it first but it may well be kidd (edit: that's his shoes i guess)
so actually almost all of the supernovae are the underlings of the yonkou right now
an other question would be who condamned zou to walk for the rest of times (maybe someone from wano ? )
that one hit was great btw
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On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 23:48 Sentenal wrote:
If I had to make a wild guess, my guess is that it would be related to Conqueror's Haki. In the past, Luffy has used Conqueror's Haki to control animals, and when it comes down to it, Zou is a big animal. It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings. Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 01:01 1oo wrote:On March 31 2016 19:45 Mensol wrote:
lol thats Scratchmen Apoo who is talking to Kaidou. Seems like Kid, Hawkins and Apoo became Kaidou's underlings. I thought so too, but i dont think Kidd would make himself an underling. Maybe only Apoo (and Hawkins?) joined after Kidd got shit on. In the square before we see the Apoo den-den mushi we see cell bars, so I'd assume someone among the three (probably Kidd) was beaten up and imprisoned by Kaidou. I can't really see what's behind the bars though.
It looks to be that way, i saw this picture in another forum: http://i.imgur.com/zAaPfTX.png
That's kid's leg.
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On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him.
Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon
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Guys the elephant's name isn't Zou, it's Zunisha. Zou is the country on the back of Zunisha.
Also I feel like Jack has the potential to become a reoccurring villain like Ultros. Always showing up to stuff and screwing around. Tbh he feels more like comic relief now more than anything. Just keeps fucking up, haha.
Unless of course he grabbed on to that fucking trunk and is climbing up as we speak.
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On April 01 2016 11:56 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him. Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon
That's your opinion, of course presented as fact, but we actually have no idea if Luffy could have given the order or not. The text seems to indicate that he could not. Luffy actually says: "All I can do is hear, the voice doesn't listen to me." And we find out that even Roger and Lord Oden couldn't talk to the beast either "A majestic voice they were unable to converse with." That doesn't sound at all like just anyone who can hear him can talk to him, in fact, it sounds an awful lot like only Momo could actually speak to Zunisha, just as Shirahoshi was the only one who could control the sea kings. Once they know what to do, Luffy again defers to Momo because "I think your voice can reach it."
You really just have a kneejerk reaction to shut down any speculation except your own don't you?
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edit: also, Kinemon basically confirms it's a special power of Momo's on page 20.
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On April 01 2016 12:15 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys the elephant's name isn't Zou, it's Zunisha. Zou is the country on the back of Zunisha.
Actually, it's hard to say. Momonosuke and Luffy are the only two who call the elephant Zou instead of Zunisha, and we know that they were the ones hearing the elephant's thoughts, thus implying the elephant is calling itself Zou. It's possible the name was arbitrarily changed sometime over history. Also, zou literally just means elephant, which creates intentional ambiguity between the country and the elephant, but the different spellings of zou in Japanese suggest that Momonosuke and Luffy refer to the elephant as Zou, not "elephant," but certainly not Zunisha.
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On April 01 2016 13:19 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him. Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon That's your opinion, of course presented as fact, but we actually have no idea if Luffy could have given the order or not. The text seems to indicate that he could not. Luffy actually says: "All I can do is hear, the voice doesn't listen to me." And we find out that even Roger and Lord Oden couldn't talk to the beast either "A majestic voice they were unable to converse with." That doesn't sound at all like just anyone who can hear him can talk to him, in fact, it sounds an awful lot like only Momo could actually speak to Zunisha, just as Shirahoshi was the only one who could control the sea kings. Once they know what to do, Luffy again defers to Momo because "I think your voice can reach it." You really just have a kneejerk reaction to shut down any speculation except your own don't you? + Show Spoiler +edit: also, Kinemon basically confirms it's a special power of Momo's on page 20. + Show Spoiler +
cause Kinemon is totally the keeper of all wierd immortal elephant lore...
did you consider that noone could converse with it because it did not want to converse? and only now that shit was getting serious did it deem it neccesary to converse?
it could also be that Momos power is more advanced then Luffys for whatever reason or perhaps it can only take orders from descendants of momos family, or maybe Luffy was just mistaken in all of it, he was asking questions not giving orders and wasnt getting a response so thought he couldnt talk to it but Zushina might be unable to hear anything but orders and was just shouting out under the assumption, or hope, that someone could hear him
or maybe like the minks Zushina has loyalty to Momos house so didnt want to listen to luffy
and im not shutting down any speculation, thats waht YOUR doing, im offering an opinion of how i think things are going thats all
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On April 01 2016 13:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 13:19 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him. Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon That's your opinion, of course presented as fact, but we actually have no idea if Luffy could have given the order or not. The text seems to indicate that he could not. Luffy actually says: "All I can do is hear, the voice doesn't listen to me." And we find out that even Roger and Lord Oden couldn't talk to the beast either "A majestic voice they were unable to converse with." That doesn't sound at all like just anyone who can hear him can talk to him, in fact, it sounds an awful lot like only Momo could actually speak to Zunisha, just as Shirahoshi was the only one who could control the sea kings. Once they know what to do, Luffy again defers to Momo because "I think your voice can reach it." You really just have a kneejerk reaction to shut down any speculation except your own don't you? + Show Spoiler +edit: also, Kinemon basically confirms it's a special power of Momo's on page 20. + Show Spoiler + cause Kinemon is totally the keeper of all wierd immortal elephant lore... did you consider that noone could converse with it because it did not want to converse? and only now that shit was getting serious did it deem it neccesary to converse? it could also be that Momos power is more advanced then Luffys for whatever reason or perhaps it can only take orders from descendants of momos family, or maybe Luffy was just mistaken in all of it, he was asking questions not giving orders and wasnt getting a response so thought he couldnt talk to it but Zushina might be unable to hear anything but orders and was just shouting out under the assumption, or hope, that someone could hear him or maybe like the minks Zushina has loyalty to Momos house so didnt want to listen to luffy and im not shutting down any speculation, thats waht YOUR doing, im offering an opinion of how i think things are going thats all
My favorite part is how, like usual, you are just presenting your speculation as gospel, while all other speculation is just wrong. I also like how consistently you do so.
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Hahaha oh god. Sitting in a coffee shop reading the chapter and burst out laughing when Jack got rektttt by the elephant.
That was bloody brilliant. Didn't Jack say something about a 1 hit ko? Well he was half right XD.
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Cool things:
1) One piece is now entering "VS. Four Emperors Arc"
2) Kidd is a prisoner? Apoo infiltrated Kidd's base as a spy of Kaido? Seems likely
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3) What was Zunisha's crime? Theories: helped destroy the ancient kingdom? was a weapon ancient weapon?
4) Why was Momo able to communicate with Zunisha and not Luffy? Choice or was it because Momo had the ability? Momo was a descendant of the person who punished Zunisha so only he could supercede the previous order? Interesting.
5) Is Jack dead? Unlikely that he would be killed off screen but what is his role in upcoming Arc?
6) Why is the girl in the bottom left panel so, seemingly, disturbed by Jack's willingness to destroy Zunisha? Does she not like violence? Or am I just thinking this over too much... + Show Spoiler +
7) Zunisha is Sasake's other brother? + Show Spoiler +
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momonosuke is the chosen one, he could do things even his father couldn't
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On April 01 2016 18:45 Makro wrote:
momonosuke is the chosen one, he could do things even his father couldn't
or Gol D Roger
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Elephant too good, that's what I want to see lol
and oda surely never drag out the story, I cannot wait to go to the next island
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On March 31 2016 22:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
this is what happens when you address the elephant in the room
The competition thus far has been a farce
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On April 01 2016 14:14 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 13:55 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 13:19 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him. Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon That's your opinion, of course presented as fact, but we actually have no idea if Luffy could have given the order or not. The text seems to indicate that he could not. Luffy actually says: "All I can do is hear, the voice doesn't listen to me." And we find out that even Roger and Lord Oden couldn't talk to the beast either "A majestic voice they were unable to converse with." That doesn't sound at all like just anyone who can hear him can talk to him, in fact, it sounds an awful lot like only Momo could actually speak to Zunisha, just as Shirahoshi was the only one who could control the sea kings. Once they know what to do, Luffy again defers to Momo because "I think your voice can reach it." You really just have a kneejerk reaction to shut down any speculation except your own don't you? + Show Spoiler +edit: also, Kinemon basically confirms it's a special power of Momo's on page 20. + Show Spoiler + cause Kinemon is totally the keeper of all wierd immortal elephant lore... did you consider that noone could converse with it because it did not want to converse? and only now that shit was getting serious did it deem it neccesary to converse? it could also be that Momos power is more advanced then Luffys for whatever reason or perhaps it can only take orders from descendants of momos family, or maybe Luffy was just mistaken in all of it, he was asking questions not giving orders and wasnt getting a response so thought he couldnt talk to it but Zushina might be unable to hear anything but orders and was just shouting out under the assumption, or hope, that someone could hear him or maybe like the minks Zushina has loyalty to Momos house so didnt want to listen to luffy and im not shutting down any speculation, thats waht YOUR doing, im offering an opinion of how i think things are going thats all My favorite part is how, like usual, you are just presenting your speculation as gospel, while all other speculation is just wrong. I also like how consistently you do so.
i honestly have no idea how you get that impression, im offering several different possibilities
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On April 01 2016 16:22 Sharkey wrote:Cool things: 1) One piece is now entering "VS. Four Emperors Arc" 2) Kidd is a prisoner? Apoo infiltrated Kidd's base as a spy of Kaido? Seems likely + Show Spoiler +3) What was Zunisha's crime? Theories: helped destroy the ancient kingdom? was a weapon ancient weapon? 4) Why was Momo able to communicate with Zunisha and not Luffy? Choice or was it because Momo had the ability? Momo was a descendant of the person who punished Zunisha so only he could supercede the previous order? Interesting. 5) Is Jack dead? Unlikely that he would be killed off screen but what is his role in upcoming Arc? 6) Why is the girl in the bottom left panel so, seemingly, disturbed by Jack's willingness to destroy Zunisha? Does she not like violence? Or am I just thinking this over too much... + Show Spoiler +7) Zunisha is Sasake's other brother? + Show Spoiler +
I don't know if Apoo was there to spy on Kidd. Remember, Kaido only showed up when he tried to kill himself and fell from the Sky on them. There is no way anyone could have predicted that. He probably jumped ship after it happened.
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On April 01 2016 13:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 13:19 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him. Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon That's your opinion, of course presented as fact, but we actually have no idea if Luffy could have given the order or not. The text seems to indicate that he could not. Luffy actually says: "All I can do is hear, the voice doesn't listen to me." And we find out that even Roger and Lord Oden couldn't talk to the beast either "A majestic voice they were unable to converse with." That doesn't sound at all like just anyone who can hear him can talk to him, in fact, it sounds an awful lot like only Momo could actually speak to Zunisha, just as Shirahoshi was the only one who could control the sea kings. Once they know what to do, Luffy again defers to Momo because "I think your voice can reach it." You really just have a kneejerk reaction to shut down any speculation except your own don't you? + Show Spoiler +edit: also, Kinemon basically confirms it's a special power of Momo's on page 20. + Show Spoiler + cause Kinemon is totally the keeper of all wierd immortal elephant lore... did you consider that noone could converse with it because it did not want to converse? and only now that shit was getting serious did it deem it neccesary to converse? it could also be that Momos power is more advanced then Luffys for whatever reason or perhaps it can only take orders from descendants of momos family, or maybe Luffy was just mistaken in all of it, he was asking questions not giving orders and wasnt getting a response so thought he couldnt talk to it but Zushina might be unable to hear anything but orders and was just shouting out under the assumption, or hope, that someone could hear him or maybe like the minks Zushina has loyalty to Momos house so didnt want to listen to luffy and im not shutting down any speculation, thats waht YOUR doing, im offering an opinion of how i think things are going thats all
I agree, there's lots of different possibilities, but your initial reply was more like "lol, no you're wrong," which is clearly not good for discussion or for the forum to be honest. It would be great if we could use this thread to actually discuss the manga and different theories and not just have it be a stupid troll fest.
Anyway, I think the text clearly indicates a strong possibility that the ability to command Zunisha is an ability that only belongs to Momosuke. My speculation is that this may mean he is one of the ancient weapons. Just as the princess of the Merfolk may inherit the ability, so may the prince of the Wano kingdom (this may be related to the eternal alliance between Zou and Wano). We also see the parallels with Shirahoshi in their weak/crying but "trying to be strong" personalities, and Luffy's somewhat rough treatment of them in order to make them shape up. Zunisha's role as the instrument of the ancient weapon may very well be why she/he has been punished. This also may explain why Doffy wanted so badly to capture Momo, as he may have inside knowledge that there's a possibility of him being the ancient weapon.
I'm not saying it's right, just that it's an interesting possibility.
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On April 02 2016 00:50 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 13:55 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 13:19 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2016 08:52 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 01 2016 01:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems more similar to Shirahoshi's power to control sea kings.
I was literally just thinking of this and wondering if it meant Momo was one of the ancient weapons and if that might explain why Doffy was so interested in capturing him. Luffy could have given an order too, its different from the Sea Kings that only obey the Mermaid Princess, Zou is something that wants to do things but cannot do anything without an order, so at best in this scenario he would be the ancient weapon That's your opinion, of course presented as fact, but we actually have no idea if Luffy could have given the order or not. The text seems to indicate that he could not. Luffy actually says: "All I can do is hear, the voice doesn't listen to me." And we find out that even Roger and Lord Oden couldn't talk to the beast either "A majestic voice they were unable to converse with." That doesn't sound at all like just anyone who can hear him can talk to him, in fact, it sounds an awful lot like only Momo could actually speak to Zunisha, just as Shirahoshi was the only one who could control the sea kings. Once they know what to do, Luffy again defers to Momo because "I think your voice can reach it." You really just have a kneejerk reaction to shut down any speculation except your own don't you? + Show Spoiler +edit: also, Kinemon basically confirms it's a special power of Momo's on page 20. + Show Spoiler + cause Kinemon is totally the keeper of all wierd immortal elephant lore... did you consider that noone could converse with it because it did not want to converse? and only now that shit was getting serious did it deem it neccesary to converse? it could also be that Momos power is more advanced then Luffys for whatever reason or perhaps it can only take orders from descendants of momos family, or maybe Luffy was just mistaken in all of it, he was asking questions not giving orders and wasnt getting a response so thought he couldnt talk to it but Zushina might be unable to hear anything but orders and was just shouting out under the assumption, or hope, that someone could hear him or maybe like the minks Zushina has loyalty to Momos house so didnt want to listen to luffy and im not shutting down any speculation, thats waht YOUR doing, im offering an opinion of how i think things are going thats all I agree, there's lots of different possibilities, but your initial reply was more like "lol, no you're wrong," which is clearly not good for discussion or for the forum to be honest. It would be great if we could use this thread to actually discuss the manga and different theories and not just have it be a stupid troll fest. Anyway, I think the text clearly indicates a strong possibility that the ability to command Zunisha is an ability that only belongs to Momosuke. My speculation is that this may mean he is one of the ancient weapons. Just as the princess of the Merfolk may inherit the ability, so may the prince of the Wano kingdom (this may be related to the eternal alliance between Zou and Wano). We also see the parallels with Shirahoshi in their weak/crying but "trying to be strong" personalities, and Luffy's somewhat rough treatment of them in order to make them shape up. Zunisha's role as the instrument of the ancient weapon may very well be why she/he has been punished. This also may explain why Doffy wanted so badly to capture Momo, as he may have inside knowledge that there's a possibility of him being the ancient weapon. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's an interesting possibility.
in that case though wouldnt his father have been the current possessor of the ability since Momo wasnt born when he was on Zushina?
plus Momo was given to Caesor for his giantification experiments, he would have been killed if he hadnt been so stalwart as to refuse candy, also i disagree with him being "weak but trying to be strong" he showed strength in Punk Hazard nearly escaping alone, the problem is the things hes facing is way beyond a 10 y/o kids ability to really process
plus the ability to control all the sea kings is on another level then being able to control one elephant, the fact that it can be sealed (imo) is enough to discredit it as an ancient weapon that are supposed to be like world destroying level danger
i really think Kinemon was definently just talking about the power to hear Zushina
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