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On February 04 2016 20:00 Palmar wrote: I'm trying to think what is the worst moment of marv from tl mafia so I can blackmail him this game by threatening to link to it. too many...
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bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit
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On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread
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On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote: bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit
says the guy who "gives up after 50 words"
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On February 04 2016 19:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit. nvm my last post then, sorry
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On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option.
Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts?
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On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread
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On February 04 2016 20:02 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote: bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit says the guy who "gives up after 50 words" but I read those 50 words with a passion
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On February 04 2016 20:02 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote: bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit says the guy who "gives up after 50 words" But your posts are so boring :/
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do you guys really want me to go back to a 70-30 gifs to words posting style?
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On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes
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On February 04 2016 19:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:55 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:47 ritoky wrote: you don't have time to read the thread, only time to skim a couple pages, but then you have enough time to type a multi-paragraph case on someone? mhmmmm.
i don't even understand your post. why does anything you said make me mafia? especially considering you have 0 context for any of it.
"ritoky interacts with a ton of people"? what does this even mean for a reason? i ask questions and push for reads and thus am mafia? likewat? I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that.
I mean, okay, you elaborated on your first explanation on why disformation's post was shit, okay, granted. But I can't find new information in that huge chunk. You basically repeat what you said the first time already. And I don't understand why you go at him so hard yet refrain from a scum read! You basically say "well guys, he's so bad, here is reason #1-#5, and yeah, I'm going to ignore him" - why don't you just say "well boxerfred is bad, I'm going to ignore him"? Instead you even defend your points although that doesn't make sense, since he's a - what, a town read of yours? I don't understand this.
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On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky?
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On February 04 2016 20:05 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:10 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 18:55 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:47 ritoky wrote: you don't have time to read the thread, only time to skim a couple pages, but then you have enough time to type a multi-paragraph case on someone? mhmmmm.
i don't even understand your post. why does anything you said make me mafia? especially considering you have 0 context for any of it.
"ritoky interacts with a ton of people"? what does this even mean for a reason? i ask questions and push for reads and thus am mafia? likewat? I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that. I mean, okay, you elaborated on your first explanation on why disformation's post was shit, okay, granted. But I can't find new information in that huge chunk. You basically repeat what you said the first time already. And I don't understand why you go at him so hard yet refrain from a scum read! You basically say "well guys, he's so bad, here is reason #1-#5, and yeah, I'm going to ignore him" - why don't you just say "well boxerfred is bad, I'm going to ignore him"? Instead you even defend your points although that doesn't make sense, since he's a - what, a town read of yours? I don't understand this.
because in my heart i am an educator, i want people to get better; people won't learn to rid themselves of terrible play or bad habits unless they are informed otherwise or punished for them.
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Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia.
I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something.
I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there.
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On February 04 2016 19:24 Rels wrote:BF: Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote: And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum?
(1) You think people that puts"big reasonning" should be calling their targets scum. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote: I am here, and ready to things I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote: hello all, i am here On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote: roger that Gold leader So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:55 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote: I am here, and ready to things I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote: hello all, i am here On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote: roger that Gold leader So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? (2) I put some reasonning as to why darth could be scum, I'm not even calling him scum mind you; but you still think my read on him is too strong. Can you explain why you react differently to two situations that seems extremely similar ? Yes. In (1), ritoky lists a whole lot of reasons, making a "big reasoning". I simply do not think that (2) is some kind of "big reasoning" but more of a side note. It's "this guy is really bad and anti-town but I'm not drawing conclusions out of it" vs. "I think this is mafia indicative but I'm not drawing conclusions yet" imho.
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On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote: marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? kinda townie? i know he likes to tryhard as mafia but this would seem a little much to me
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On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote: Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia.
I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something.
I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. good to know you come round to my point of view
late, but it'll do.
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On February 04 2016 19:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote: "I am gonna lynch you even if you're town"? "I am going to ignore your post because I just made up a bad reasoning on why they suck"?
This sentence I can agree with. Also for the amount of posts ritoky made I don't know about him yet. Which is odd. Thanks for putting emphasis on this, it almost went unnoticed. This "I'm going to ignore disformation" thing is strange for various reasons:
1. ritoky has no reason to not think that disformation will be a valuable towny, especially since he said he's town reading him (he did so, didn't he?) 2. the part of ritoky's post I refer to in that sentence seems to be kinda angry, but not really. Where's the point then? It just derails town. 3. ritoky completely ignores this part of my case when he answers, up until now
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it's still a bit weird, sort of reminds me a of a guy called dropbear from way back whose mafia tell would be to write long rambling posts on multiple people where he painted everything they did as scummy
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