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On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter.
But you do realize that this "overquote" thing you say is part of my case against ritoky, right? He went overboard with his explanation to why disformation is bad.
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On February 04 2016 20:06 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:05 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 19:10 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 18:55 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 18:47 ritoky wrote:
you don't have time to read the thread, only time to skim a couple pages, but then you have enough time to type a multi-paragraph case on someone? mhmmmm.
i don't even understand your post. why does anything you said make me mafia? especially considering you have 0 context for any of it.
"ritoky interacts with a ton of people"? what does this even mean for a reason? i ask questions and push for reads and thus am mafia? likewat? I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that. I mean, okay, you elaborated on your first explanation on why disformation's post was shit, okay, granted. But I can't find new information in that huge chunk. You basically repeat what you said the first time already. And I don't understand why you go at him so hard yet refrain from a scum read! You basically say "well guys, he's so bad, here is reason #1-#5, and yeah, I'm going to ignore him" - why don't you just say "well boxerfred is bad, I'm going to ignore him"? Instead you even defend your points although that doesn't make sense, since he's a - what, a town read of yours? I don't understand this. because in my heart i am an educator, i want people to get better; people won't learn to rid themselves of terrible play or bad habits unless they are informed otherwise or punished for them.
While this is nice, it doesn't change a thing.
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On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote:
Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia.
I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something.
I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there.
Could you then, instead of looking at me, look at ritoky and review my case?
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On February 04 2016 20:12 Palmar wrote:
it's still a bit weird, sort of reminds me a of a guy called dropbear from way back whose mafia tell would be to write long rambling posts on multiple people where he painted everything they did as scummy
if you actually think i am scum, then i might have to start spamming lynch palmar.
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not really, his post was basically what it looks like when you try to explain a tone read.
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On February 04 2016 20:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:12 Palmar wrote:
it's still a bit weird, sort of reminds me a of a guy called dropbear from way back whose mafia tell would be to write long rambling posts on multiple people where he painted everything they did as scummy if you actually think i am scum, then i might have to start spamming lynch palmar.
I'm talking about bf, not you.
meh~~
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boxerfred, you're wrong. move on.
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On February 04 2016 20:17 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote:
Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia.
I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something.
I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. Could you then, instead of looking at me, look at ritoky and review my case?
Just wait in the shadows bro. I don't think Ritoky is the lynch here.
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This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to
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Okay. I think I now answered everything that came up in the last 3 pages, so I gotta continue to work. Just one clarification: I am not saying that every single thing ritoky said is scum indicative. I am just pointing out that every single reason he brought up regarding why disformation's post is shit feels constructed to me! Note how he makes so many reasons up for a post that has 4 lines. And only AFTER that explanation he decides to ignore disformation now, a player that, listening to thread sentiment, is generally rather town read.
I see a pattern: push someone, and as soon as the realization happens that noone is quickly jumping the train, refrain from the final "you're scum" call and instead go down the "bad town" route, which is not constructive nor helpful.
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On February 04 2016 20:19 ritoky wrote:
boxerfred, you're wrong. move on.
On February 04 2016 20:11 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:37 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote:
"I am gonna lynch you even if you're town"? "I am going to ignore your post because I just made up a bad reasoning on why they suck"?
This sentence I can agree with. Also for the amount of posts ritoky made I don't know about him yet. Which is odd. Thanks for putting emphasis on this, it almost went unnoticed. This "I'm going to ignore disformation" thing is strange for various reasons: 1. ritoky has no reason to not think that disformation will be a valuable towny, especially since he said he's town reading him (he did so, didn't he?) 2. the part of ritoky's post I refer to in that sentence seems to be kinda angry, but not really. Where's the point then? It just derails town. 3. ritoky completely ignores this part of my case when he answers, up until now
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On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to
that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended
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it's alright dude, you can tunnel me all day 1, then when i get shot night 1 you'll realize you're wrong, then day 2 everyone will lynch you because you've been so wrong and talked about literal nothing else in your filter and have no leg to stand on in defense of yourself.
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On February 04 2016 20:27 ritoky wrote:
it's alright dude, you can tunnel me all day 1, then when i get shot night 1 you'll realize you're wrong, then day 2 everyone will lynch you because you've been so wrong and talked about literal nothing else in your filter and have no leg to stand on in defense of yourself.
bf is pretty town bro.
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On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended
the basis of the townread was not that though, the original reason he got townread was activity + wanting to take dreamflower. He correctly predicted I'd talk him out of it.
It was very impressive.
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On February 04 2016 20:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.
I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended the basis of the townread was not that though, the original reason he got townread was activity + wanting to take dreamflower. He correctly predicted I'd talk him out of it. It was very impressive.
activity because he could easily scumhunt/talk about mechanics usefully and make plays
the basis is totally that :>
not that it wasn't impressive 
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The only thing impressive about that game was the town. There weren't enough lynches in the game to kill all mafia. As soon as superbia had to lynch 1 townie he fell through and get massively scumread between the easiest misslynches in the world.
It isn't hard to look townie when you can actually lynch mafia EVERY FUCKING DAY for 5 days straight.
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On February 04 2016 20:39 Koshi wrote:
The only thing impressive about that game was the town. There weren't enough lynches in the game to kill all mafia. As soon as superbia had to lynch 1 townie he fell through and get massively scumread between the easiest misslynches in the world.
It isn't hard to look townie when you can actually lynch mafia EVERY FUCKING DAY for 5 days straight.
koshi is VA scum?
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Nha. I can't take games like that seriously. The best team clearly lost.
How town played that game was 15 times better than superbia. The guy just had to have a 6 page filter between 19 page townies and lynch his teammates since D1.
So hard.
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I'm out for a bit
make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play
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