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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 16 2016 15:50 GMT
#3301
I still rather believe in NM who believes in his meta reads despite saying he doesn't like meta reads.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
February 16 2016 15:54 GMT
#3302
On February 17 2016 00:48 Rels wrote:
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

Now make a JUST DO IT PARODY.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 16 2016 15:59 GMT
#3303
On February 17 2016 00:50 disformation wrote:
I still rather believe in NM who believes in his meta reads despite saying he doesn't like meta reads.

BTW something HTS didn't say I think was that I loved your way of nitpicking every argument made in thread, you were the kinda "fact checker" of the thread which was pretty cool
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 16 2016 16:00 GMT
#3304
On February 17 2016 00:54 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 00:48 Rels wrote:
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

Now make a JUST DO IT PARODY.

2commercial4me
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 16 2016 16:13 GMT
#3305
On February 16 2016 23:38 Half the Sky wrote:
disformation - Well done. Not only you were easily readable as town, but you've finally found a scumhunting method that works for you, VCA and post-day 1 motives. You also did a good job on figuring out whom to sheep when you weren't 100% sure, I think Palmar's said this but that is an underrated skill as town that I think is very important. The next step is simply to combine different scumhunting methods in terms of figuring out who was most likely mafia. If you take some of the things you did day 4 like for Moosy, figuring out thoughts going nowhere and applied it to day 1-2, all the better. You had some tinfoil too early (e.g. at one point you had a Rels/marvellosity/Mage/+1 scumteam which is just insane tbh) and tinfoil is generally ferretted out by an exhaustive multi-day VCA or NK wifom/pure lategame. It's generally not an effective use of time to consider tinfoil early on, but otherwise very solid play in the late game and taking charge when the early-game leaders were gone.

Thanks for the kind words.
Not sure what got me this town read D1 actually. Prolly just looked like I was trying to figure out the game?
That particular tinfoil was a response to VA being like "let us just use N1 to WIFOM the scum team to hell". Was pretty sure on Rels and marv and NM was a truly insane tinfoil at that point.
I didn't feel like I was taking charge or something, I was just basically the only one still trying hard to figure out stuff, cause I was super paranoid I had missed some clue or something. Also the dead thread made it easier to take my time and look at inconsistencies and stuff.

On February 17 2016 00:59 Rels wrote:
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On February 17 2016 00:50 disformation wrote:
I still rather believe in NM who believes in his meta reads despite saying he doesn't like meta reads.

BTW something HTS didn't say I think was that I loved your way of nitpicking every argument made in thread, you were the kinda "fact checker" of the thread which was pretty cool

Another thing I probably didn't do on purpose/was noticing I was doing. Also made a lot easier by the thread moving slow as hell.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 16:22:32
February 16 2016 16:16 GMT
#3306
On February 17 2016 00:44 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 17 2016 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Anything tips for me HTS? I never actually had to replace into a slot before honestly.


Took a look at your filter. 6 pages for 3 autolynches isn't bad at all, and save for a few self-meta posts (disclaimer: I am being nitpicky) overall, your probing, PoEing, etc should have had you pretty easily read as town as others might have been slacking off. Onegu with zero activity and an isolated vote left you in a bad position (it is what it is) so even with other players not being as familiar with you, you still managed to put your thoughts out there and get yourself townread.

You were unaware miller though, had you been checked, your case might have been harder and I could have seen the players who didn't know you as well go for a percentage play lynch. But this is beyond your control, I think overall you did just fine and enough people were aware of the possibility of a miller they would have weighted your play.

Fair enough. Idk how I would of dealt with being red checked as a miller. I never had been a miller before this game.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 16:27:07
February 16 2016 16:25 GMT
#3307
One more issue I forgot to mention - this is primarily aimed at other people here who host or co-host. As I'm sure most players noticed, the day 1 flip took unusually long. This was explained in the obs QT as to why, but just a heads up - what happened is that right when I announced the lynch in thread, and before I posted the flip, it was noticed that Shapelog and I were getting two different vote counts before the timestamp/clock showed xx:00 on his school's computer and my comp at home was showing xx:59.

With JAT/Palmar switching, we know that switch changed the outcome of the vote. To ensure the right votes are counted where it's extremely close, BH, who also recently found out this issue, had advised us to use the quote function for when a vote is cast, to determine the true TL server time, which is the time to use if a vote should be on time, and not the timestamp, which is the time on your computer clock.

I know there were a few other games that had the issue where the TL timer might have been a minute or whatever off from the clock time on the computer, but now we know the issue.

So going forward, just something I feel hosts (if they aren't already aware) should keep an eye out for if you are counting together with a cohost and you are dealing with last-second vote shennanies.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 16 2016 16:46 GMT
#3308
Thanks for the analysis HtS! I really enjoyed D1 because it was pretty juicy between Zyrre/Palmar and we got a lot of good info from the wagons, even if we lynched wrong. I got way too lazy as the game kinda ground to a halt.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 16 2016 17:01 GMT
#3309
Read through the obs qt, completely understand why people were starting to really doubt my play. I kinda just rode my d1 towncred till the end which is pretty scummy. Meh, will improve on that next go round
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 16 2016 19:19 GMT
#3310
On February 16 2016 23:17 Spikasaur wrote:
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On February 16 2016 21:54 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 16 2016 19:27 marvellosity wrote:
ez game ez life

well done town


Hopefully your other half liked what we had here, maybe will sign up in the future for a game someday?


Yiss. 'Tis very interesting. Like listening to a morbid version of Big Brother on the radio. Maybe after a few more watches, as a lot of the game seems to be poking on how people have previously played - obv something a newb will have no use in. Looking forward to seeing more of this tho!

True. Real experience comes from playing though. And a newb who tries to win the game will have more use than a few people who aren't newbs.
On February 17 2016 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ahh no.. i was referring to kush's post, i think that was what he was meaning.
On the nomination, I personally don't think murdering an almost afk mafia team is some spectacular play but that's something almost noone agrees with me on and i don't really care.

Maybe. But maybe part of the reason for a bad/afk mafia performance is a good town performance. Also a way way way worse town almost won best town 2015 so... :/
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 16 2016 19:50 GMT
#3311
On February 16 2016 11:18 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 11:10 NocturneMage wrote:
I meant you and bf, he had you listed above boxerfred, so I interpreted that as you were day 1 and boxerfred was after.

damn it's late. gonna turn in. ggs again.

and hts, watch it with the kp plz
(kidding, I'm aware it's not easy to host, just giving her shit)

seriously though, thanks hosts as usual.

Oh, btw b4 I forget: you should be a bit careful about tilting.
Scum would have probably shot you either way, but I felt the post where you were really raging at HtS about the strong arm shot was fairly blue indicative.
I remember you went at Trfel super hard in DT, too.
Just step back a bit. I know it is easier said then done, but I don't think that stuff is good for your play.


Points taken. Thanks. Dark Tournament there was specific language that Trfel used that made me think he was out to get me, I think had I approached it a different way I might have had a different outcome.

Admittedly I'd have raged at HTS even as VT and the mafia actually yolo shot me from their QT, still not a great post considering others commented on balance and I know dick all on that. Bah. I will admit I get kinda get a bit invested in these games as both alignments I'll admit but I'll do my best to try and not come off as a dick next time. I know it's a turnoff for some.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 16 2016 20:09 GMT
#3312
Also random question, has anyone heard from Moosy? Did he seriously just afk and not tell anyone? Or did something actually happen to him? Hopefully not another situation like Eversince in Fullmetal.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 20:32:40
February 16 2016 20:28 GMT
#3313
On February 17 2016 04:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ahh no.. i was referring to kush's post, i think that was what he was meaning.
On the nomination, I personally don't think murdering an almost afk mafia team is some spectacular play but that's something almost noone agrees with me on and i don't really care.

Maybe. But maybe part of the reason for a bad/afk mafia performance is a good town performance. Also a way way way worse town almost won best town 2015 so... :/

well many things that won 2015 were "wrong" in my opinion anyways so...
just to clarify i - by no means - don't think the town played bad, they played really good, especially NM had a hell-of-a-fucking-game (and his performance was 100% nomination-worthy), but the town's collective performance was not "spectacular", it was imo how the game should go against a 75% afk mafia team.

EDIT: as for the "wrong on the 2015" thing, i don't really know or have any examples and it was an exaggerated example, i don't even really care about the nominations or power ranks or shit like that. but like for one -- when i read the thread, i personally can't figure out how a cop who lynches their green check is better play (gets more votes) than the case that made the cop lynch their green check.. It just makes zero sense to me.
table for two on a tv tray
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 16 2016 22:49 GMT
#3314
On February 17 2016 04:50 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 11:18 disformation wrote:
On February 16 2016 11:10 NocturneMage wrote:
I meant you and bf, he had you listed above boxerfred, so I interpreted that as you were day 1 and boxerfred was after.

damn it's late. gonna turn in. ggs again.

and hts, watch it with the kp plz
(kidding, I'm aware it's not easy to host, just giving her shit)

seriously though, thanks hosts as usual.

Oh, btw b4 I forget: you should be a bit careful about tilting.
Scum would have probably shot you either way, but I felt the post where you were really raging at HtS about the strong arm shot was fairly blue indicative.
I remember you went at Trfel super hard in DT, too.
Just step back a bit. I know it is easier said then done, but I don't think that stuff is good for your play.


Points taken. Thanks. Dark Tournament there was specific language that Trfel used that made me think he was out to get me, I think had I approached it a different way I might have had a different outcome.

Admittedly I'd have raged at HTS even as VT and the mafia actually yolo shot me from their QT, still not a great post considering others commented on balance and I know dick all on that. Bah. I will admit I get kinda get a bit invested in these games as both alignments I'll admit but I'll do my best to try and not come off as a dick next time. I know it's a turnoff for some.

Yeah, I get being invested in games, just look how much time/effort I tried to put into a game that was pretty dead, or how whiny I got in the scum QT of DT, but I don't think posting on tilt is very productive and might as you said rub some ppl the wrong way.

On February 17 2016 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 04:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 17 2016 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ahh no.. i was referring to kush's post, i think that was what he was meaning.
On the nomination, I personally don't think murdering an almost afk mafia team is some spectacular play but that's something almost noone agrees with me on and i don't really care.

Maybe. But maybe part of the reason for a bad/afk mafia performance is a good town performance. Also a way way way worse town almost won best town 2015 so... :/

well many things that won 2015 were "wrong" in my opinion anyways so...
just to clarify i - by no means - don't think the town played bad, they played really good, especially NM had a hell-of-a-fucking-game (and his performance was 100% nomination-worthy), but the town's collective performance was not "spectacular", it was imo how the game should go against a 75% afk mafia team.

EDIT: as for the "wrong on the 2015" thing, i don't really know or have any examples and it was an exaggerated example, i don't even really care about the nominations or power ranks or shit like that. but like for one -- when i read the thread, i personally can't figure out how a cop who lynches their green check is better play (gets more votes) than the case that made the cop lynch their green check.. It just makes zero sense to me.

I think I already nominated or endorsed a nomination for NM to be most improved player 2016.
This was another great performance for him. His last few town games were really really good. His last performance as scum was also pretty good, which was part of made me so paranoid towards him D1. Want to see him roll scum in a vet game now.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 17 2016 17:12 GMT
#3315
On February 17 2016 05:09 NocturneMage wrote:
Also random question, has anyone heard from Moosy? Did he seriously just afk and not tell anyone? Or did something actually happen to him? Hopefully not another situation like Eversince in Fullmetal.


Can't speak for anyone else but I know I haven't.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2016 19:33 GMT
#3316
Thanks for the heads up, HtS, and for hosting. Also to the co-hosts! I enjoyed the game, although I guess that Chez' playstyle and Moosy's afk'ing really made the last day/night phases hard. Great work from NM, I guess we just sheeped the right opinions once marv and koshi were locked.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 18 2016 03:13 GMT
#3317
Sorry for the shitty ending guys. Apologies to hosts as well and for making anyone worried.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 18 2016 03:16 GMT
#3318
On February 16 2016 07:03 disformation wrote:
Should I cease to be around, remember to try and get MD to explain/answer these:

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 09:42 disformation wrote:
On February 14 2016 09:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Chez is probably lying. There's a pretty large logical fallacy in his claim as I already stated. xP But if we have 2 mislynches we're in a good spot anyway.

On February 11 2016 11:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I also actually kind of think Chezinu is fake claiming for a specific reason but meh. He likes playing games so I like him.

Yeah, you stated so, but you never explained.

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 01:15 disformation wrote:
On February 10 2016 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On February 10 2016 08:20 Rels wrote:
Going to sleep. See you tomorrow. Kinda grumpy at those flips.

I actually think we are in good spot. Vayne/Koshi then boxer is probably last tbh.

On February 11 2016 11:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fuck, i forgot boxerfred was in the game lol. are we townreading him or scumreading him?


Care to explain what happened between those posts?
Why are you so interested in the thread consent?
What is your current read on boxerfred?

Also while having some town / scum reads you have never pushed anyone this game...

XD I'll do mhy best.

Chezinu says he tried to bait out the strongarm during night 2(?) I think. But that means that either he was actually trying to bait, or he was posting random stujff at end of night. Since it's totally a Chezinu thing to try and bait, I was going to argue that Chezinu was lying about having a blue role and was just looking to save himself after tryhing to bait out the strong arm during that night phase as VT.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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