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On January 29 2016 09:03 Trfel wrote:
Vote count analyses are very different depending on whether or not there is mafia up for lynch.
If all of the wagons were town, mafia doesn't really care what happens. As such, people who seem invested at end of day and care about the lynch are more likely town. If there is mafia up for lynch, then obviously people who voted for the flipped town are more suspicious. But that's very poor preflip association analysis to simply assume that mafia wanted Kuragari42 to be lynched.
I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative.
Tumblewood wasn't going to get lynched, and I already explained my reasons for scumreading him as well as I could. I don't really think that JesusIncarnate is mafia.
So why did you think Kuragari42 NOT slipping blue was a good reason for a lynch??? "His reads didn't seem interesting"????? What the ****!!
Well of course "just stating his reading for the record" is NAI!
Why do you need retrospect to see this?!
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Qr can't vote at night, right? Do all our current votes go down to zero or do they carry on to the next day? Can I change my vote or make a vote for tomorrow?
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Scum quote of the year:
I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting
Courtesy of resident scumbag Trfel.
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On January 29 2016 09:30 nooniansoong wrote:
The VCAs I'm reading kind of suck.
Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote.
This is true. I have heard remarkably little from you regarding your current reads in the game. Mind sharing any?
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On January 29 2016 10:00 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 09:30 nooniansoong wrote:
The VCAs I'm reading kind of suck.
Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote. This is true. I have heard remarkably little from you regarding your current reads in the game. Mind sharing any?
Yes I mind. Braglist1.2 is not ready for release.
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Braglist 1.2
Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Ikidomari
Onegu
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*After writing this, the formatting is a bit hard to follow but it should do. it ended up not being a traditional VCA with play by plays on vote changes. more on the lines of General voting reasons*
So here are the people who voted for the late Kura, I will list their reasons on why and give them a shaddy rating (so like out of the 6, i would rate them 1-6. with 1 being the one with most logical, good reason to lynch Kura. and 6 being the least)
Alur,
Initial vote: On January 28 2016 06:35 Alur wrote:
I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option than Onegu atm.
##Vote: Kuragari42
Reasoning:On January 28 2016 05:21 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:06 Trfel wrote:On January 28 2016 04:58 Alur wrote:On January 28 2016 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Alur, why are you scumreading Kuragari42? His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak onto Darthfoley for changing his opinions on things - and while that did occur, he was once again not the first one to bring it up. He also only stated he was "semi-suspicious" after Darth had thrown suspicion on him. But he's promised us a big post, so I'm not gonna lynch before he's had his word. Either way, I find it improbable that Darth and Kuragari are the same allignment. On a related note, Onegu does seem a little scummy to me (he very much deals in absolutes, I don't see why he'd be so standoffish as town, but once again him being rude town isn't impossible). And like Darth and Kuragi I don't see you being on a scumteam with Onegu. It seems to me like your reasons for scumreading Kuragari42 are based on "these things don't show that he is town" instead of "these things shoe that he is scum". Is this true? Did you look at the way that Onegu has acted towards Shapelog? About Kuragari: About Kuragari: I think lack of original thought, and primarily relying on already existing tendencies is mafia indicative. His posts don't feel like they're coming from a town perspective (to me). However, his blunt admittance to the fact that he's bad at pushing original agendas could be town indicative. So I grant you that we can't rule out a townie without direction.
I'll look into Onegu's interactions with Shapelog, sec.
We start with Alur. The First person to vote Kura up for the lynch. His first intinal reason on Kura was due to a lack of " original thought, and primarily relying on already existing tendencies" However, also bats the eye of Kura possibly be town by saying "his blunt admittance to the fact that he's bad at pushing original agendas could be town indicative." A idea in which he back up throughout the last few hours of day by posting tips to Kura and giving him pointers. Alur also Caught the (in which we know now to not be the case, but since It was debated i shall refer to it as scum slip.
On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 00:48 Kuragari42 wrote:On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment. Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit. Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)?
It also make sense for Alur to more closely read Kura posts due to him voting for him. I also think Alur train of thought was good throughout the discussion. I would Defiantly Put Alur at 1, Just due to his initial reasoning and logic throughout. Even though one could argue that he was a bit wishy washy with the Intial reasoning and then later into the day by posting tips to Kura. I think (from Alur as a whole) these tips were written with Town love.
darthfoley,
1st Vote:On January 28 2016 06:45 darthfoley wrote:
I'm more than fine with that so far.
##Vote: Kuragari42
Reasoning for 1st vote: On January 28 2016 04:56 darthfoley wrote:
I've read through Alur's filter and i'm taking him off my scum list. I've liked his line of questioning/analysis of Kuragari and Trfel today, much moreso than his scum read on Shapelog last night.
In terms of mafia reads: I still scum read Tumblewood, and after reading Alur's argument about Kuragari (and looking at his filter), I scum read him too. Kuragari hasn't provided anything original the entire game, besides saying that I "seem to change my opinions a lot" which is pretty much false. The only substantial read I have changed on is Alur... which I have explained. Kuragari also hasn't posted any reads besides that shallow one on me at the beginning, in which he admits his selective logic is shitty. Think he could be trying to stay on the radar by not throwing out anyone's names.
I'm going to read through Onegu and Trfel filters now... will post my thoughts afterwards.
On January 28 2016 05:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:38 Kuragari42 wrote:
@darth You changed on me, Alur, and Onegu. Imo it's not the substantial reads that matter the most, it's the slight reads.
You also agreed with/praised Eden without reading Onegu's filter. How were you supposed to know that Eden's read wasn't just an attempt to throw suspicion on an experienced player?
You used meta for your TR on Eden when you said it would be a smart move for mafia to start setting up meta shit.
Those combined with your alignment stressing are what made me find you somewhat suspicious. Okay either you're not reading the thread or you're scum. I didn't change my opinion on you lol. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:42 darthfoley wrote:
I don't have strong feelings yet one way or the other. I like that he posted about how I did the same thing as Shapelog, but wasn't getting scrutiny for it. Seems like a town thing to do, rather than pile on the already made target.
Although I think Shapelog has been way more reliant on the "oops i'm noob" posts compared to me, so i'm a little puzzled why those posts wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, but mine would. Not sure I like the "he's a troll so I have no read on him, even though he has the longest filter so far" argument.
Mixed feelings Mixed feelings = null read Alur read i've already explained why I have changed my mind. I literally haven't changed my mind on Onegu at all. I TR him early and he's still on my town lean pile. As I have already explained, I DID NOT town read Eden for his Onegu case. I TR him because of his Shapelog analysis + other reads. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 01:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 22:39 Alur wrote:Oh and darth, you seem more invested now, so that's definitely something. But this series of events seems strange to me: On January 27 2016 12:16 darthfoley wrote:
I would agree that Onegu reads town for me so far. (This was in reply to Tumblewood when he upgraded Onegu to slight townread, and downgraded Trfel to null) Then Eden presents Onegu as his top suspect. Largely based on the same material that you townread Onegu on. Then you go on to say: On January 27 2016 16:26 darthfoley wrote:
Yea I really like these posts from Eden.
He's probably my strongest TR so far. Surely if you thought Onegu was town, you'd discuss the matter with Eden rather than just lauding his post. I for one think it's entirely plausible that Onegu is just asshole town. You look a little flip-floppy here. 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:43 darthfoley wrote:
Oh FYI, I haven't read through Onegu's filter so I don't know about Eden's scum read yet. I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. Show nested quote +Eden, i've been trying to make exactly the point you just made about Shapelog. The scum Kush meta read thing just makes no sense. I also liked Kush's interaction with Pepperminttea. He is playing a lot more substantively this game imo 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now.
Why he unvoted: Tumbleweed and Jesus where better scum. Even goes on record to call Jesus mafia with red lettering.
2nd Vote:On January 29 2016 01:38 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote:On January 29 2016 00:48 Kuragari42 wrote:On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment. Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit. Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari
2nd Reasoning: Scum Slip
Darthfy is currently (until Ikido filps or I see reason why) a scum read of mine. I will try to remain as unbiased as possible, and focus on his voting and reasoning.
Darthfy's 1st reasoning on why Kura is scum is because:
Unoriginal filter: Fair point to make, and also the first time someone mentioned it. Alur later scum reads Kura for the same thing. though I doubt that Alur was aware of his reasons to Scum read Kura when he posted that Kura was scum.
His claim on Darthfy about his reads changing: personally this is a -1 from reasoning to vote as it feels like a OMGUS result. However, Darths points are correct (both about Alur and Onegu) for the most part. So I feel like Darthfy was more defending himself then OMGUS.
Shallow reads: Fine point again.
Overall his early reasoning to vote Kura was in my mind good. sure he could of OMGUS, but it just doesn't feel like it. It feels like a defense to a very lieful post from Kura.
However there is something i do not like about his 2nd vote or more the posts leading up to the vote:
On January 28 2016 13:22 darthfoley wrote:I just want to point out how terrible JesusIncarnate's filter is right now. 1. He talks about how Alur and Tumblewood's reads are similar to his + Show Spoiler +
i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine.
tumblewood has kind of similar reads to mine
. Let's examine that claim; this is the main post i'm looking at + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 22:17 JesusIncarnate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 13:16 darthfoley wrote:
I promise i'm not 8 and that my vocabulary is simply exquisite sick meme Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 13:18 Kuragari42 wrote:
This filter thing is amazing.. I wish I had this in my last game.. sick meme x2 (epic sig btw) anyway. darthfoley is kind of chill, def town for me right now. There posts are quite reactionary. Trifel also a bit towny in my books. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 15:11 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, sorry, I'm not going to give a detailed explanation of my read on PepperMintTea right now because if I'm wrong, that would be a free defense. Which is a pretty stupid thing to do.
I feel that PepperMintTea's reads show critical thinking and an attempt to solve the game, making me think that PepperMintTea is town. I won't elaborate at this time. shit post; town post. Onegu, scummy to me. Posting long essays mean nothing to me. lol people like eden are falling for the simple mafia strat for noobs "I will act stupid and hope people townread me" however i dont agree with their final post in their large manifesto. #368 Shape, scum or not, probably had someone scumreading them, but not anymore. I think the scum took not of the changing reads on shape and quickly either laid off or just changed their reads. okay so to sum this all up. I dont like onegu or shape. folley seems town. Eden is up in the air for me. trfel seems pretty town to me. other people i honestly dont care about. Alur's reads at the time Jesus made this post: Show nested quote +1) Shapelog = most scummy
2) Slight town read on MexicanAlien
3) Slight scum read on darthfoley Tumblewood's reads at the time Jesus makes this post: Show nested quote +Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog JesusIncarnate's reads at the time he made his post: Okay, so 1. He agrees with both on the Shapelog scum read (which was by far the "safest" scum read at that time from a mafia perspective) 2. He disagrees with both on darthfoley... Show nested quote +anyway. darthfoley is kind of chill, def town for me right now. There posts are quite reactionary. ... Isn't reactionary generally used to describe scum play? 3. He agrees with Alur's town read on MexicanAlien; disagrees with Tumblewood's scum read of MexicanAlien 4. Alur barely mentions Onegu, but when he does it seems like it's a slight town read. Tumblewood classifies Onegu as null. JesusIncarnate disagrees with both of them, claiming that he finds Onegu scummy. Now: does this seem like someone who has similar reads to Alur and Tumblewood? Doesn't look like it to me. In fact, it looks scummier the more I look at it. Let's not forget this gem later on: Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 04:02 JesusIncarnate wrote:
@Tumblewood
Shapelog is leaning more town now, but im not outright town-reading them. Other than that its the same. I do not feel confident in lynching Onegu however, the people on the vote are particularly shocking. I'll prob do filter posts when i have more time, as right now i can only read thread and type shit. Okay Shapelog is now town, which is convenient, given that he hasn't provided any reason why his opinion changed (besides perhaps, the town consensus). But, the rest of his reads are the same, i.e. Onegu is the most scummy for him. But then he directly contradicts himself and comes off as wishy-washy regarding the Onegu lynch wagon, saying that the people voting him are shocking: (Trfel, Eden, Noon, Shapelog). This is pretty terrible. I think JesusIncarnate is mafia
On January 28 2016 15:27 darthfoley wrote:
This is not related to Ikidomari per se, but my scum list so far:
1. JesusIncarnate
2. Kuragari
3. Ikidomari (??)
Strongest TRs:
1. Eden
2. Alur
3. PMT
Starting to get town vibes from Tumblewood, so he's off my list for now. I don't really see myself voting for anyone besides Jesus or Ikidomari at this point in time. Maybe if Kuragari continues to be lackluster and a wagon forms somehow.
So Kura goes from being top scum to 3rd scum to 2nd scum. Which is fine.
What I do not like is that how quickly he drops it for the slip. I can't really explain why i think it is so weird (then again i did it too) But then again at the time we thought it was a scum slip and since Kura was on his radar before I think it would make sense for him to drop it.
Also another reason on why i think he made a logically decision on why to vote Kura over Jesus:
On January 29 2016 05:32 darthfoley wrote:
Jesus + Kuragari mafia team?
On January 29 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
Let's say Kuragari is mafia with Jesus
Kura doesn't want to bus one of his mafia teammates, especially when thread sentiment is going against Jesus. Perhaps Jesus is a mafia role and Kura is regular goon? Calls it a townie vs. townie lynch to keep suspicion off of him. Find it interesting Jesus has yet to vote. Understand Onegu's reason given his son's situation
I like the fact that he tries to connect the two, AND the fact that he isn't mindless pushing his top scum read without looking at other possibilities. He still notes Jesus is here and that he is still scum reading him. This makes me really like Darthfy's vote and its logic. It does fall i bit short then Alur's to me, but i can see why some might differ from my opinion.
PepperMintTea,
1st vote:On January 28 2016 23:34 PepperMintTea wrote:
you know i'm going to go with this for now and see what happens
## Vote Kuragari42
ReasoningOn January 28 2016 18:18 PepperMintTea wrote:
Kuragari - Inactive, got himself into a horrible mess trying to pressure darth which was just terrible. Felt like "talking just to talk"
Hasn't done anything else so would lynch
On January 28 2016 18:35 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 18:30 Trfel wrote:I mean, right now he's probably sleeping. But that aside, look at the effort he put into his first analysis post on Shapelog. Detailed, clear explanation. Since then, his reasoning hasn't been so detailed and has felt a bit shallow to me. I'm not paying any attention to his recent inactivity at all. The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum. It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive. I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb? If you read Alur carefully he starts with questioning the townreads and then after more posts from Kuragami he scumreads him stronger, I didn't like the posts by Kura either so I can understand that.
Reason to un vote:On January 28 2016 23:36 PepperMintTea wrote:
actually this is more interesting
## Unvote
## Vote Onegu
2nd vote:On January 29 2016 03:11 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Unvote
## Vote Kuragari42
2nd Vote Reasoning:On January 29 2016 00:22 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).
I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers. Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions.
There is a lot i do not like about her votes and the reasoning behind them. lets start.
On January 28 2016 08:08 PepperMintTea wrote:
Sorry got called away urgently.
Tomorrow I'm going to vote one of four people.
JesusIncarnate, Onegu, Tumblewood, Trfel
I'm too tired to reason it out tonight, but tomorrow morning before work I will explain
PMT didn't even have Kura on her radar till really Darth and Alur started posting about it. She was very inclinded on her own suspects especially Jesus. in fact in the same post she read Kura in:
On January 28 2016 18:18 PepperMintTea wrote:
JesusIncarnate - Superficial list posts early on with surface reads. No explanations or follow up. Woefully inactive
LYNCH
I think that says a lot doesn't it. I mean nothing has really happen in the last few mins to explain why jesus should be read any different then when this post was written. But instead, of pushing her own read forward, she just voted Kura when 2 votes was on him. here reasoning wasn't good or as solid either.
On January 28 2016 18:35 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 18:30 Trfel wrote:I mean, right now he's probably sleeping. But that aside, look at the effort he put into his first analysis post on Shapelog. Detailed, clear explanation. Since then, his reasoning hasn't been so detailed and has felt a bit shallow to me. I'm not paying any attention to his recent inactivity at all. The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum. It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive. I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb? If you read Alur carefully he starts with questioning the townreads and then after more posts from Kuragami he scumreads him stronger, I didn't like the posts by Kura either so I can understand that. Sure Kura was a Scum read of yours. But you literary drop your read on Jesus (who mind you at the time of this post, scum slip was not made nor was anything posted by jesus) who you said LYNCH and was your strongest mafia read at the time.
Your reasoning for voting unvoting and voting Onegu was crappy since you didn't even comment on it. or anything.
Then when you vote for him again you don't even say why you are EVEN VOTING FOR HIM! And afterwards, you just say your "narrowing down the field" All your reasoning to vote him that is posted in the thread was from b/4. And b/4 you didn't even put him into the list of your lynches. I can't really even rate you since you don't even have a god damm reasoning to vote the guy. It is like you came in and saw him getting lynched and voted for him. EVEN WHEN you said yourself that you still was scum reading Tumble.
Trfel,
Vote:On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote:
I guess I was misinterpreting the situation.
##unvote
##vote Kuragari42
Reason: scum slip? On January 29 2016 03:06 Trfel wrote:
I mean, mechanically speaking:
The best play is to simply not talk about this any more and just not lynch Kuragari42.
The reason for this is that time will make this more clear than any amount of analysis, since in time more information about power roles is revealed. Further, talking about this more only gives mafia additional information.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, which is also possible, I suppose.
There is something do not like about Trofls vote. Its the fact that he right before said that he didn't LIKE alur's scum read on Kura before the scum slip.
On January 28 2016 18:30 Trfel wrote:
It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive.
Sure he doesn't say it directly. Be he also doesn't go against it. He talks almost none about Kura b/4 this post. And in the post he is scum leaning/just doesn't like Alur, He felt the case against Kura was unnatural and reactive. Then out of the blue, says that we might of misunderstood the situation but then votes saying he misunderstood the situation. At no point does he even specifically why he is scum reading/lynching Kura. And unlike PMT, he does not even have a 1st reason before the slip to even Vote for Kura. No Reason behind a vote = rank 6
Shapelog,
I am not going to be able to really explain my steps to voting Kura and not be bias. I also feel lazy and do not want to go through my filter. So! Instead I shall try to explain my thought process for voting Kura.
First Kura didn't really pop into my radar until Alur posted about. So I should go below anyone who scum read him b/4 hand.
But throughout time after the scum slip was posted I was very inclined to think he was scum. And for obv. reasons. Votes started to pile onto Kura while Ikido had Eden (and was suppose to have me on it, but i forgot to post my vote since scum slip came up.) and that's it. Darthfy and Alur also made fair points about Ikido, and they had enough reasoning to vote off Kura. I also figured that a few mafia would be/join that wagon. Plus Darth also said Eded shared the same idea he had about how if Ikido as scum will slip tomorrow. So I decided in the end to go with Kura. I thought i might as well put my vote to someone who i thought was scum AND was actually getting lynched. (I also like to point out that I do have a Town lean Jesus. so i wasn't going vote him. I can not remember if i posted about having one on him.)
For the purpose of the list I rank me at 3-4 since i more reasoning behind my vote than Trofl and PMT IMO
Eden1892,
Vote:On January 29 2016 05:34 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
VOTE: Kuragari42
Reasoning: + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 05:05 Eden1892 wrote:
I guess we can lynch this guy for his reads.
If this guy flips town then slap all the dummies voting him because of a "slip" that for sure wasn't one (probably)
But those reads make no sense with the game state. His scum reads are inconsistent as a team (me and Iki are never ever partners) and the reasoning on them is shoddy and just borrowed from what other people are saying. So are the town reads. The whole thing is just right in line with popular town sentiments with nothing firm said either way (it's almost all leans and nothing committed).
I like Iki the best because I'm pretty confident in my initial impression of his posting. But this Kura guy is a fine lynch too based on those reads. On January 29 2016 05:22 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 05:18 Alur wrote:On January 29 2016 05:12 Kuragari42 wrote:
##Vote:Tumblewood
Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise. Sigh don't tell him this I was looking forward to using this data point without him being conscious of t and changing his behavior On January 29 2016 05:30 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 05:27 Kuragari42 wrote:On January 29 2016 05:18 Alur wrote:On January 29 2016 05:12 Kuragari42 wrote:
##Vote:Tumblewood
Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise. A townie lynch v. a townie lynch.. Jesus claims that he is some super-mafia-guru so I figure out of the two of us, town would benefit more from him being alive. Hold up you just said Jesus was a complete unknown to you. Now you're saying he's town? And not just that but that because he says he's good at mafia (with zero display of that in game to back it up), you would rather die yourself than lynch him even though you're confirmed town to yourself??? On January 29 2016 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 04:52 Kuragari42 wrote:
Continued reads...
Slight Scum:
Ikidomari - His posts seem contorted and I tend to find lynch begging a scum (or at the very least anti-town) thing to do. This also fits in with my slight scum read on Eden if Shape's recent lines of post are correct.
Town Lean:
Mexican, noon, Onegu.
Scum Lean:
Alur.
I honestly have no clue:
Jesus.
On January 29 2016 05:38 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean... Yeah
That was virtually a double scum claim all in one. I think.
The only motivator that makes any sense there is saving Jesus the mafia PR.
Especially when he has no prior opinion on Jesus... Looks like keeping his options open for how to read a buddy
Eden started out on the slip. He did not believe the slip to be genuine. In fact he was against it being a scum slip. However, when Kuga posted the "Towny vs. Towny lynch post" Eden jumped on the train. It makes sense, since that was defiantly very scummy and i agree with him about it. It was really a good and practical reasoning to lynch him. Even his thought process about when Kuga voted tumbleweed was good.
However, his vote didn't matter in the grand scale of things. Changing her vote wasn't necessary, as she was not voting for the counter wagon. So she changing her vote last min is NAI to me, as I can see it come from both alignments from her. Ranking her above Darth though because while she didn't scum read Kuga before hand. She did had good reasons to change vote. And also now that i think about it more, is prob more townie then mafia since mafia might of better prosper from being off the main lynch train.
List of Good reasons to vote -> No reason/scummy reasons to vote:
Alur
Eden
Darth
Shapelog
PMT
Trofl (No real reasoning to vote)
I suggest that we push/llok into Trofl and PMT and try to get as much info as possible. Trofl was a town for me throughout d1 for the most part, but revising his voting reasons has gotten me more sus. about him.
PMT has been a scum lean for me. The fact that she rather push Kura then her main scum read Jesus with little to no explanation seems scummy to me in addition to her heavily self-defense filter.
Feel free to do your own List of Good Reasons to vote -> scummy reasons to vote.
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Alright Time to read the thread again .
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I mean, don't blame me that you didn't want to lynch mafia. That's on you.
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On January 29 2016 08:53 darthfoley wrote:
but because I believe a very scummy player (JesusIncarnate or Tumblewood atm) was intentionally saved via the Kuragari wagon.
Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town.
Idk I check his filter in a few.
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On January 29 2016 09:30 nooniansoong wrote:
The VCAs I'm reading kind of suck.
Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote.
GJ kush. I predict a brag list is coming soon with one of them being on it.
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On January 29 2016 10:24 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 08:53 darthfoley wrote:
but because I believe a very scummy player (JesusIncarnate or Tumblewood atm) was intentionally saved via the Kuragari wagon.
Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town. Idk I check his filter in a few. Wow, didn't realize that someone else thought this.
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On January 29 2016 10:02 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 10:00 darthfoley wrote:On January 29 2016 09:30 nooniansoong wrote:
The VCAs I'm reading kind of suck.
Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote. This is true. I have heard remarkably little from you regarding your current reads in the game. Mind sharing any? Yes I mind. Braglist1.2 is not ready for release.
On January 29 2016 10:07 nooniansoong wrote:
Braglist 1.2
Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Ikidomari
Onegu
Fucking knew it.
Now to read this trofl scum case.
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Will read up in a bit. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. I am kinda exhausted.
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On January 29 2016 09:43 _MexicanAlien wrote:Scum quote of the year: Courtesy of resident scumbag Trfel.
Really? Trofl logic behind voting him was because of his reads?
Hold up while i compare Trofls reads to Kura.
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On January 29 2016 10:24 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 08:53 darthfoley wrote:
but because I believe a very scummy player (JesusIncarnate or Tumblewood atm) was intentionally saved via the Kuragari wagon.
Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town. Idk I check his filter in a few.
He's not new. And he was arrogant before the game even started.
On January 23 2016 11:15 JesusIncarnate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 05:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 23 2016 04:57 JesusIncarnate wrote:
i am not a smurf You obviously made an account just to play in this game. What is your story? Have you come from another mafia site or were you a tl lurker without an account who wanted to try mafia? I am a mafia grand master. I have come from multiple other mafia sites.
shape and trfel did you not know about this quote or did you forget it?
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Doesn't matter, he's still ridiculously confident. The "newbie" part isn't important.
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On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote:
READS:
Slight Town:
PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them.
Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point.
Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic.
darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR.
Slight Scum:
Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR.
Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR.
On January 29 2016 04:52 Kuragari42 wrote:
Continued reads...
Slight Scum:
Ikidomari - His posts seem contorted and I tend to find lynch begging a scum (or at the very least anti-town) thing to do. This also fits in with my slight scum read on Eden if Shape's recent lines of post are correct.
Town Lean:
Mexican, noon, Onegu.
Scum Lean:
Alur.
I honestly have no clue:
Jesus.
Kura Reads:
Town Leans: Mexican, Noon/kush, Onegu
Slight town: PMT, Me, Darth, Trofl
Slight scum:Eded, Tumbleweed, Ikidomari
Scum Lean: Alur
Didn't know: Jesus (however, we can guess kura saw him as town based off of town vs town post he made.)
Vs.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 10:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 10:24 Shapelog wrote:On January 29 2016 08:53 darthfoley wrote:
but because I believe a very scummy player (JesusIncarnate or Tumblewood atm) was intentionally saved via the Kuragari wagon.
Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town. Idk I check his filter in a few. Wow, didn't realize that someone else thought this. On January 28 2016 18:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 17:08 _MexicanAlien wrote:
To clarify my point:
Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance.
Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read.
Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed.
Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance.
So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him
1. Unhelpful Townie
2. Mafia Scum
CONTRADICTION
I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but.... Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense. On January 28 2016 18:07 Trfel wrote:I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads  I mean, I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now. I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia.His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me). The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread. I think that PepperMintTea is town and always have. I've generally found PepperMintTea's posts quite insightful, particularly the early read on Shapelog (the nervous/anxious thing, that's an emotion I've commonly felt as town). Generally, players who post actually insightful info and seem to be putting out their own thoughts to solve the game are just town. On January 28 2016 09:38 Trfel wrote:
Nooniansoong, I'm not trying to come off as condescending at all. Like, I can't explain how opposite that is to my goal. I've been trying to show the OPPOSITE, that I trust everyone else enough to let them control the thread and lead things. Town's a team sport, and it always will be. And it's a simple fact that not everyone can be a leader at once in a mafia game.
I've been extremely impressed by the players in this game, not only in terms of effort, but also ability. Not a single player excepted (well okay, maybe Ikidomari but he doesn't have much to judge yet). I'm very sorry for anything I said that may have been interpreted as offensive, because I have no bad feelings towards anyone at all. On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote:TumblewoodTumblewood's first post here shows that he is scumreading Shapelog, and he says that this is because Shapelog made two posts where he said that he isn't scum. Tumblewood's argument is that because a townie wouldn't do this, then Shapelog is mafia. He also said that he had a scum lean of darthfoley because of two posts where darthfoley says that he is town, and adds that darthfoley has weird wording in a sentence (the explanation of the darthfoley read is here, where he says that this is the explanation for the scum lean he mentioned previously). Why is Shapelog a stronger scumread than darthfoley? He didn't mention anything else about their play other than these comments, which is weird. Also note that Shapelog was the top suspect at this time. Tumbleweed returned later and posted this post with new reads. He says that he's suspicious of Onegu, Shapelog, and Trfel. He also ends up with a null read on darthfoley, saying that he hasn't done anything to give him a read. This is really strange, because he described a scum lean on darthfoley previously, for the only reasoning that he's shared about Shapelog, who is still his scum read. There are lots of things I don't like about this post, I won't go into all of them, but it really gives the impression of trying to fit in. He later says that darthfoley's play has been solid lately, which doesn't match with his earlier statement that darthfoley hadn't done much to be read on. In addition to these read issues, Tumbleweed feels like he's responding to questions and thread sentiment, instead of actually wanting to solve the game. Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible. Logically, Tumblewood cannot be scum(suppose to say town, as correction made by trofl). It's possible that he's town and messed up somehow, but given his filter as a whole, I think that he is scum.
Trofls (from what i gather from his filter):
Town Leans: PMT, Jesus?, Me, Ikido, and i think darth
Null: Everyone not listed (might be wrong but i couldn't find anything)
Scum: Alur, Tumbleweed. Onegu?
Also Trofl never did this:
On January 28 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote:
It seems that I misinterpreted a few of Onegu's early posts towards Shapelog. I'm not so sure about him, I need to re-evaluate....
But anyways you share all 4 town reads and 2 of his mafia reads. How the fuck did you vote him off?
I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting
So it is not interesting that he shares 2 of your scum reads and 4 of your TR's? In total 6 reads are the same as you and you though of them as uninteresting? How? You didn't post anything about him having simlar reads with you, which could be used to really explain both sides ( He's town: came to the same conclusions as me or He's mafia because those are my reads and a bunch of others!)but yet you sat idlely by?
I find that hard to believe,
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