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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 29 2016 07:17 Eden1892 wrote: Shapelog, a word of advice. Focus on what matters. Don't say everything that pops into your head. It's not all gonna be useful. Don't listen to him lol. I love you shapelog. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
@Kush, You fucking saw what mafia did the last two mafia games i played in. They start by telling me not to spam or do shit then become the town leaders and procide to win the game with no votes on them passed d2. Trust me, I have learn not to listen to that kinda of post because it always ends up with me accidentally pushing the god damm mafia agenda for the mafia. If Eden is town, then i take it into consideration post game. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
If we assume mafia helped push the wagon, it would've happened at a point where it wasn't obvious that the lynch would go through, so were talking the first 4 ish votes. Which would be me, Darth, PMT and Trfel. Trfel coming in as the fourth looks pretty suspicious, considering I was leaning towards him being scum. But then theres this, thing (this is how Trfel acts on the Kura vote) On January 29 2016 03:06 Trfel wrote: I mean, mechanically speaking: The best play is to simply not talk about this any more and just not lynch Kuragari42. The reason for this is that time will make this more clear than any amount of analysis, since in time more information about power roles is revealed. Further, talking about this more only gives mafia additional information. Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, which is also possible, I suppose. Followed by: On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 There is no mafia motivation for saying the bolded part, but when you just "jk" it, it could appear like he's just trying to gain some sort of deniability, especially when combined with the "I think I'm getting cold feet". But PMT and Darth (who could potentially be pocketing me) aren't clear of suspicion either. I just don't have much to hinge that suspicion on currently. Also I'm not sure I understand Edens motivation for joining the wagon last minute. He didn't actually need to vote for it to happen. It seems like it could be a ploy to gain some towncred, because mafia don't need to touch the wagon anymore at that point. He also tried to discredit Kuragari's reads (who scumread him). I think noon actually looks kind of spooky now, in the world where he has too much information his play makes a lot of sense. He was quick to disagree with it being a scumslip (which he was right on), he made a big point of forcing Kuragari to claim (which looks towny, but it's sort of an obvious move). All while his vote was parked on a player (albeit a reasonable lynchtarget) who is one of the biggest lynchbaits. Without really pushing that specific lynch. I think I kind of like mexican for sticking with his lynch. He presented which players he would be able to lynch, and didn't back down on his reads to join the Kura bandwagon. This also coincides with the fact that he's a townread of mine. Some of this might be tinfoily, but that's because there aren't any conclusions that are staring me in the face. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 29 2016 08:26 _MexicanAlien wrote: What the even they just made "show all" a premium feature. Hurry up and use filters before they change that to premium too. I think it's just when the forum gets to be too many pages you can't do show all anymore. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari + Show Spoiler + Alur: His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak on darthfoley for changing his opinion on things-.... he was once again not the first one to bring it up Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting. Alur:I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option atm. ##Vote: Kuragari42 Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time). Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same. + Show Spoiler + darthfoley:I'm more than fine with that. ##vote: Kuragari42 This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him. OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well. As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 29 2016 08:30 _MexicanAlien wrote: Long post incoming So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari + Show Spoiler + Alur: His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak on darthfoley for changing his opinion on things-.... he was once again not the first one to bring it up Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting. Alur:I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option atm. ##Vote: Kuragari42 Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time). Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same. + Show Spoiler + darthfoley:I'm more than fine with that. ##vote: Kuragari42 This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him. OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well. As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired. you say it's a sheep. how is that a legit reason. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Alur #573 - 1st vote Kura darthfoley #574 - 2nd vote Kura; reasoning explained PMT #761 - 3rd vote Kura -immediately unvote PMT #762 - vote Onegu (Onegu only had 1 other vote at this time, from Shapelog I believe) PMT #868 hops back on Kura train - still 3rd vote - no explanation Trfefl #869 - 4th Kura vote -Previous post claims that Kura lynch is stupid -Defending Ikido from wagon -Switches off Tumblewood -No reasoning given VC AT TIME OF PMT/Trfel Votes 4 Kuragari (Alur, darthfoley, PMT, Trfel) 3 JesusIncarnate (Noon, Tumblewood, Ikidomari) 1 Tumblewood (MexicanAlien) 1 Ikidomari (Eden) Not voted: Shapelog, Kuragari, Onegu, Jesus Shapelog #871 - vote Ikido (now 4 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Ikido, 1 Tumblewood) Shapelog #872 - unvote Ikido (4 Kura, 3 Jesus, 1 Tumble, 1 Ikido) Shapelog #878 - vote Ikido, "going with gut" (4 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Ikido, 1 Tumblewood) Shapelog #894 - vote Kura (5 Kura, 3 Jesus, 1 Ikido, 1 Tumblewood) -Gut feeling = Ikido -Later blames going with gut on Kura vote Kuragari #935 - vote Tumblewood (5 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Tumblewood, 1 Ikido) Eden #958 - vote Kura (6 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Tumblewood, 1 Ikido) How many times did people vote? Shapelog: 4 (PMT, Onegu, Ikido, Kura) Eden: 4 (Onegu, Trfel, Ikido x2, Kura) darthfoley: 3 (Tumblewood, Jesus, Kura) Trfel: 3 (Onegu, Tumblewood, Kura) PMT: 2 (Onegu, Kura) Alur: 1 (Kuragari) This VCA is not a masterpiece, but I think it clearly throws suspicion on two people specifically: Trfel and Shapelog. Trfel #866: The best play is to simply not talk about this any more and just not lynch Kuragari42. The reason for this is that time will make this more clear than any amount of analysis, since in time more information about power roles is revealed. Further, talking about this more only gives mafia additional information. Trfel #869: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 Notice that he votes literally the post after PMT comes back to the Kuragari wagon, making it 4-3 Kura > Jesus, without giving any explanation why. Also don't like posts that start like this: On January 28 2016 18:07 Trfel wrote: I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads  Similarly, Shapelog has been on every wagon in existence: Onegu, Jesus, Ikido, and Kuragari. Gets his gut feeling mixed up (first says his gut is Ikido, later complains how his gut told him to vote Kura). There is something off about this post. I would've been okay with it perhaps early D1, but this whole "i'm so torn thing!" comes off as fake to me, especially because he only cites other people's reasons... and hasn't made one good case all game. God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not. I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. To me, votes #4 and #5 are the votes that should be analyzed, because at 5-3 Kura > Jesus, no one was going to counter push Jesus. ESPECIALLY with Kuragari voting Tumblewood. Eden voting to make it 6-3 is NAI or maybe even slightly town, because that was the only wagon with momentum at that point. If he had hopped on and Kura had been mafia, it's a different story. In conclusion, i'm scum reading both Shapelog and Trfel | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 29 2016 08:30 _MexicanAlien wrote: Long post incoming So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari + Show Spoiler + Alur: His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak on darthfoley for changing his opinion on things-.... he was once again not the first one to bring it up Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting. Alur:I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option atm. ##Vote: Kuragari42 Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time). Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same. + Show Spoiler + darthfoley:I'm more than fine with that. ##vote: Kuragari42 This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him. OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well. As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired. Just wanna make sure I understand: you're saying you think both Alur and I voted for Kuragari for legitimate reasons? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
I want to know from others how they perceive EoD VC | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
If all of the wagons were town, mafia doesn't really care what happens. As such, people who seem invested at end of day and care about the lynch are more likely town. If there is mafia up for lynch, then obviously people who voted for the flipped town are more suspicious. But that's very poor preflip association analysis to simply assume that mafia wanted Kuragari42 to be lynched. I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative. Tumblewood wasn't going to get lynched, and I already explained my reasons for scumreading him as well as I could. I don't really think that JesusIncarnate is mafia. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 29 2016 08:46 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna make sure I understand: you're saying you think both Alur and I voted for Kuragari for legitimate reasons? Yes. I think your sheep was with good reason and his vote was well based. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
Post 504: Alur says (second time) Kura is not original. Post 505: Trfel makes loooong nonsense harping on Alur's original point on MexicanAlien. Post 533 + 534: Alur gives scumreads and more explanation. Post 535: Trfel asks why Alur SR Kura, even after Alur has already explained his reasoning twice! Post 536: Trfel giving a very long analogy for the MA point. Why is he still taking about this? Post 538: Alur says (third time) reasons for SR Kura. Gives more detail. Post540: Trfel dismisses Alur's read and asks what Alur thinks of Onegu. Why. Just why. Did he really need to know what everyone is thinking of Onegu?? Also, Alur already said what he thought about Onegu in post 533. Post 542: eden says he wishes he didn't have to read all the pages and scumreads Trfel Post 544: Trfel disagrees with eden (no duh) and says this: I generally try to leave things open ended and avoid putting things in people's mouths. it is useful to me to see how other people describe things It is useful??? This game is about town winning, but Trfel wants to collect as much information as he can while not giving any. He does this remarkably well, and since his thread presence is good, if you don't read his posts carefully, it looks like he is contributing!!! Post 549: PMT asks Trfel what his read on Tumbleweed is. This is Trfel's chance to give some original opinions and contribute to the thread. Post 553: I don't have a read on tumbleweed,to be honest. The only thing that stands out is that he seems to be very careful in his posts. a lot of people seem to be suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why? Travel says tumbleweed seems careful, even though not too long ago tumbleweed was making pretty wild accusations at darthfoley. Instead of reading people's reads, he asks some one to tell him what has already been said, clogging up the thread. He fails to give constructive comments. Post 567: Trfel asks Alur why he is SRing Shapelog. Firstly, Alur never scumread Shapelog. Alur never even scum leans him. So why does Trfel ask this???? Post 573+574: Alur and darthfoley vote on Kura. Post 575: Trfel immediately votes for Tumbleweed, ±20 posts after he "has no read on tumbleweed". I could go on, but seriously, Trfel has been playing to clog up the thread with his **** Trfel is MAFIA | ||
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