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Rels, I think that Palmar's hard push early on and then having no strong opinions at End of Day is very possible for him as town. His activity/investment level is really strange like that.
Here is a link to Palmar's filter from Gaiden 2 (town). He opened the game with a very strong push against (town) justanothertownie, which is similar to his push against The Shining this game. I'm pretty sure that his play died off really heavily after this push, he was nearly lynched Day 2.
I think that making a push like Palmar makes isn't necessarily hard as scum, but the way that Palmar does it is much hard to replicate as scum than a normal push. I've never seen Palmar push something aggressively Day 1 like that as mafia, so it's possible that he is mafia, however I feel he's probably town.
Also, for the record, I think I've thought of most of the things that Rels said about DoYouHas already and still kind of think that he's town.
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On December 03 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:30 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:Good morning I just woke up. On December 03 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:Palmar might be scum: an unsure accusationI don't have a strong scumread on Palmar. There is no slip to be found in his filter. But I know Palmar is a strong scum player, so it's super unlikely to find a slip in there. Here is why I'm suspicious of him: 1. His reads followed the thread sentiment D1D1, Palmar started by tunneling Shining on something true but small. This is NAI. But after that, Palmar's posts about people were boring. Just boring. Examples: On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.
Still bad, still a good default lynch.
I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".
Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.
Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play
OK to lynch the guy with the most votes ATM. All active players are given a pass for today. OK to lynch on of the two uesless. On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible? On December 03 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o LS are you mafia? On December 03 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Also, I'm warming up to the idea of lynching Fidei, he kinda deserves it. On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). On December 03 2015 04:13 Palmar wrote:
Also the reason I might lynch you james is because you sound like a fucking machine all the time. On December 03 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Kush didn't do anything, he just said a bunch of words that might as well have been generated in a random read generator. All of this is boring with minimal scumhunt. And this culminates in ... 2. Palmar was apathetic towards the lynch; when he is proud of his D1 capacitiesPalmar is proud of his D1 reads: On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:
Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. But after stopping his Shining push, his reads were boring. At EOD, he was super apathetic and sheeped Trfel into Moosy, then Damdred into LS, then followed the thread sentiment to kush: On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 07:51 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote:
Do people like... ever... build good cases anymore? Palmar, you're not doing anything yourself, so you're going to have to stop this. Remember in Mini Mafia Down Under 2? We had a really good case and push against Alakaslam and you ruined it for a policy lynch. I realize that you're extremely talented and one of the best players on the site, but it's still possible that once in a while, someone else knows something that you don't (and just because they can't explain it well doesn't invalidate this). You don't need to attack me as well. I know this?? That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that. On December 03 2015 07:56 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the LS lynch is good.
I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make. This is possibly an overexplanation He also left the thread 1 hour before deadline to come back 10 minutes for it for no good reason, when it always is the crucial moment to decide a good lynch: On December 03 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to watch tv for half an hour or so.
I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it. ConclusionGood cop check / vig shot. Honestly I think he's playing like he did in metal min or very similar esp the way he was posting towards Shining during early Day 1. Here his fitler from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=Palmar I don't really care about The Shining push, as it's super easy to reproduce that as scum (tunneling someone on something specific). Not that it makes scum either. 1 - Were his reads boring in that game too ? 2 - Was he apathetic and not really caring of the lynches ? 1.a little bit esp his coag read just because he hates coag.(he didn't really give a real read on coag as far I remember from rereading his filter in that game) 2. If he thinks someone is mafia he does try to lynch them but he didn't outside of me until kush made that comment about why he(kush) wanted to lynch me. Have you ever played / obsed scum!Palmar ? What is different from what you just said ? Yes I have two times. first time around he tried hard Day 1 even thoguh it was in the weekend(He doesn't like playing on the weekend as town) and wass somewhat useless that entire esp just calling me a wizard for his read on me(Titanic I had a cunning plan). The 2nd game he was useless and he didn't try to do jack shit the entire game(Assassination).
Alright. I obsed a game where he was scum with marv and whoever and he was far from useless. Talking about this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=Palmar
So I don't think this meta read means anything. I usually don't like meta read; applied to a good scum player, they are difficult to make, 'cause of course he is going to play like his town meta.
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On December 03 2015 22:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:30 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:Good morning I just woke up. On December 03 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:Palmar might be scum: an unsure accusationI don't have a strong scumread on Palmar. There is no slip to be found in his filter. But I know Palmar is a strong scum player, so it's super unlikely to find a slip in there. Here is why I'm suspicious of him: 1. His reads followed the thread sentiment D1D1, Palmar started by tunneling Shining on something true but small. This is NAI. But after that, Palmar's posts about people were boring. Just boring. Examples: On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.
Still bad, still a good default lynch.
I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".
Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.
Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play
OK to lynch the guy with the most votes ATM. All active players are given a pass for today. OK to lynch on of the two uesless. On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible? On December 03 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o LS are you mafia? On December 03 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Also, I'm warming up to the idea of lynching Fidei, he kinda deserves it. On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). On December 03 2015 04:13 Palmar wrote:
Also the reason I might lynch you james is because you sound like a fucking machine all the time. On December 03 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Kush didn't do anything, he just said a bunch of words that might as well have been generated in a random read generator. All of this is boring with minimal scumhunt. And this culminates in ... 2. Palmar was apathetic towards the lynch; when he is proud of his D1 capacitiesPalmar is proud of his D1 reads: On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:
Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. But after stopping his Shining push, his reads were boring. At EOD, he was super apathetic and sheeped Trfel into Moosy, then Damdred into LS, then followed the thread sentiment to kush: On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 07:51 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote:
Do people like... ever... build good cases anymore? Palmar, you're not doing anything yourself, so you're going to have to stop this. Remember in Mini Mafia Down Under 2? We had a really good case and push against Alakaslam and you ruined it for a policy lynch. I realize that you're extremely talented and one of the best players on the site, but it's still possible that once in a while, someone else knows something that you don't (and just because they can't explain it well doesn't invalidate this). You don't need to attack me as well. I know this?? That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that. On December 03 2015 07:56 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the LS lynch is good.
I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make. This is possibly an overexplanation He also left the thread 1 hour before deadline to come back 10 minutes for it for no good reason, when it always is the crucial moment to decide a good lynch: On December 03 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to watch tv for half an hour or so.
I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it. ConclusionGood cop check / vig shot. Honestly I think he's playing like he did in metal min or very similar esp the way he was posting towards Shining during early Day 1. Here his fitler from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=Palmar I don't really care about The Shining push, as it's super easy to reproduce that as scum (tunneling someone on something specific). Not that it makes scum either. 1 - Were his reads boring in that game too ? 2 - Was he apathetic and not really caring of the lynches ? 1.a little bit esp his coag read just because he hates coag.(he didn't really give a real read on coag as far I remember from rereading his filter in that game) 2. If he thinks someone is mafia he does try to lynch them but he didn't outside of me until kush made that comment about why he(kush) wanted to lynch me. Have you ever played / obsed scum!Palmar ? What is different from what you just said ? Yes I have two times. first time around he tried hard Day 1 even thoguh it was in the weekend(He doesn't like playing on the weekend as town) and wass somewhat useless that entire esp just calling me a wizard for his read on me(Titanic I had a cunning plan). The 2nd game he was useless and he didn't try to do jack shit the entire game(Assassination). Alright. I obsed a game where he was scum with marv and whoever and he was far from useless. Talking about this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=PalmarSo I don't think this meta read means anything. I usually don't like meta read; applied to a good scum player, they are difficult to make, 'cause of course he is going to play like his town meta.
I will check that game out as I didn't obsed it.
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On December 03 2015 22:54 Trfel wrote:Rels, I think that Palmar's hard push early on and then having no strong opinions at End of Day is very possible for him as town. His activity/investment level is really strange like that. Here is a link to Palmar's filter from Gaiden 2 (town). He opened the game with a very strong push against (town) justanothertownie, which is similar to his push against The Shining this game. I'm pretty sure that his play died off really heavily after this push, he was nearly lynched Day 2. I think that making a push like Palmar makes isn't necessarily hard as scum, but the way that Palmar does it is much hard to replicate as scum than a normal push. I've never seen Palmar push something aggressively Day 1 like that as mafia, so it's possible that he is mafia, however I feel he's probably town. Also, for the record, I think I've thought of most of the things that Rels said about DoYouHas already and still kind of think that he's town.
OK I obsed that game and I remember Palmar going crazy on JAT. I went to EOD on his filter and he's just sheeping. So meta points to town.
I don't agree with "the way that Palmar does it is much hard to replicate as scum than a normal push". He just pointed out something illogical and continually attacked Shining on stuff that didn't make sense. On the contrary, I think it's easy to fake. And he did say something weird about fidei during that push: on one hand "free townread in the process", on the other hand "I said fidei's post was fine, not that fidei is town".
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On December 03 2015 22:59 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 22:56 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:30 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:Good morning I just woke up. On December 03 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:Palmar might be scum: an unsure accusationI don't have a strong scumread on Palmar. There is no slip to be found in his filter. But I know Palmar is a strong scum player, so it's super unlikely to find a slip in there. Here is why I'm suspicious of him: 1. His reads followed the thread sentiment D1D1, Palmar started by tunneling Shining on something true but small. This is NAI. But after that, Palmar's posts about people were boring. Just boring. Examples: On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.
Still bad, still a good default lynch.
I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".
Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.
Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play
OK to lynch the guy with the most votes ATM. All active players are given a pass for today. OK to lynch on of the two uesless. On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible? On December 03 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:
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Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o LS are you mafia? On December 03 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Also, I'm warming up to the idea of lynching Fidei, he kinda deserves it. On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). On December 03 2015 04:13 Palmar wrote:
Also the reason I might lynch you james is because you sound like a fucking machine all the time. On December 03 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Kush didn't do anything, he just said a bunch of words that might as well have been generated in a random read generator. All of this is boring with minimal scumhunt. And this culminates in ... 2. Palmar was apathetic towards the lynch; when he is proud of his D1 capacitiesPalmar is proud of his D1 reads: On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:
Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. But after stopping his Shining push, his reads were boring. At EOD, he was super apathetic and sheeped Trfel into Moosy, then Damdred into LS, then followed the thread sentiment to kush: On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 07:51 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Palmar, you're not doing anything yourself, so you're going to have to stop this.
Remember in Mini Mafia Down Under 2? We had a really good case and push against Alakaslam and you ruined it for a policy lynch.
I realize that you're extremely talented and one of the best players on the site, but it's still possible that once in a while, someone else knows something that you don't (and just because they can't explain it well doesn't invalidate this). You don't need to attack me as well. I know this?? That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that. On December 03 2015 07:56 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the LS lynch is good.
I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make. This is possibly an overexplanation He also left the thread 1 hour before deadline to come back 10 minutes for it for no good reason, when it always is the crucial moment to decide a good lynch: On December 03 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to watch tv for half an hour or so.
I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it. ConclusionGood cop check / vig shot. Honestly I think he's playing like he did in metal min or very similar esp the way he was posting towards Shining during early Day 1. Here his fitler from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=Palmar I don't really care about The Shining push, as it's super easy to reproduce that as scum (tunneling someone on something specific). Not that it makes scum either. 1 - Were his reads boring in that game too ? 2 - Was he apathetic and not really caring of the lynches ? 1.a little bit esp his coag read just because he hates coag.(he didn't really give a real read on coag as far I remember from rereading his filter in that game) 2. If he thinks someone is mafia he does try to lynch them but he didn't outside of me until kush made that comment about why he(kush) wanted to lynch me. Have you ever played / obsed scum!Palmar ? What is different from what you just said ? Yes I have two times. first time around he tried hard Day 1 even thoguh it was in the weekend(He doesn't like playing on the weekend as town) and wass somewhat useless that entire esp just calling me a wizard for his read on me(Titanic I had a cunning plan). The 2nd game he was useless and he didn't try to do jack shit the entire game(Assassination). Alright. I obsed a game where he was scum with marv and whoever and he was far from useless. Talking about this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=PalmarSo I don't think this meta read means anything. I usually don't like meta read; applied to a good scum player, they are difficult to make, 'cause of course he is going to play like his town meta. I will check that game out as I didn't obsed it.
OK. I got that you're a meta using player, but be careful with good scum players - they will replicate their town meta.
If I had to chose, I would prefer having your take on this:
On December 03 2015 12:52 Trfel wrote:Like, here's something that's really been bugging me. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
Sure LS usually even if he is wrong is a strongish prescense in the thread giving his opinion and trying to get people to interact with him while he gives scum reads.
He lacks real reads in the thread, the few he has given have been little substance. The one scum read I can tell in his filter was Trfel that he has totally backed off of. He isn't looking to push anyone he is just existing.
This is Damdred's scumread of LightningStrike this game, that started the whole LightningStrike wagon. Now, look at Newbie Student Mafia VIII (for reference, Damdred, LightningStrike, and I (Trfel) were all town. At one point in this game, I scumread LightningStrike for actually having no scumreads. Here's the quote: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:LightningStrikeSome people don't learn. I am one of them. On March 19 2015 23:35 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 22:56 Damdred wrote:
Ls what are your current reads Town: Exo: He seemed to be his normal self some questions but I waiting for him to case someone at some point in the game after playing with him in Newbie LX. rsoultin: She seems to happy to roll Mafia this game I would think she would be Mad at rolling Mafia again esp with me in the game but she seems to be having fun with her posts so far (She rolled Mafia in Horns of Africa and Titanic) Also she died way to early in JOAT because of mean HTS wanting to get rid of her so she wouldn't figure HTS out in JOAT  She also my whisper so listen to her on me. Holyflare: Some decent questions and plays similar to how he did in Horns when I played with him plus answering a meta point to me about Mafia!Rayn is more useless than Town!Rayn but idk what Rayn post would indicate that he's useless tbh :| Vivax: Vivax is Vivax and that means he just crazy but I think he's trying hard this game and more likely Town than Mafia upon the fact he's trying so hard but he's crazy so meh. Trfel: I finding his entrance odd but who the hell claims Mafia Day 1 except for Damdred in Imperial lol..... He got some decent questions and also can't wait for him to case someone even if he case the hosts (For those who didn't check Mini Mafia Down Under 2 he cased the host and it was funny as hell 10/10 would want him to case a host again). Bill Murray: Asking some decent questions and my first time playing with him and seems to engage with his Mafiaread of Eden and noticing some stuff I don't think others did at the time. Eden1892: Had some trolling stuff early on which I kinda expect from him as Town compared to Mafia with some decent questioning regarding me to rsoultin. Also his filter is much bigger than his filter as Mafia from experience playing with him. Superbia: Much more serious already and already down to business which I think makes him more Town than Mafia knowing in Campus was kinda trolling in Day 1 and was useless in Imperial. Breshke: Short filter but some of his questions ande thoughts to be something I would think he would do as Town more so than Mafia esp his little thing on sicklucker. Null: Damdred: Seems to be a his townie self but I remember he looked so townie yet he was Mafia in Titanic so I need another Day of him being alive to make a good read. Artanis: As I said earlier he looked so Townie in Imperial yet he was Mafia but he also had a bad game as Mafia in Student VI so idk I need some more time to figure him out prob by Day 2 since I know he's a player by reputation being one of the best players in TL Mafia. raynpelikoneet: Seems much angrier than normal idk if it's truely alignment indicative about him but HF says he's useless as Mafia compared to Town but his filter seems Palmar centric with some side tracks O_o Palmar: Trolling a good amount I don't think it's alignment indicative for him since he loves to troll as both alignment from my experience with him cept for Metal Mini when he was super serious. Alakaslam: Slam is Slam and I can't really read him and I know he's the true king of WIFOM as either alignemnt so meh. Onegu: Very short filter and not really doing much but I remember him being kinda meh as town compared to Mafia but I need some more posts from him. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore after Linux when he was Mafia and he always bounces off the walls as either alignment and did make some incorrect statements about self meta but he done that as either alignment. I think he becomes obvious Mafia at Day 2/3 area from my experience with him and seeing him playing as Mafia so I waiting for Day 2 to make my read on him. Fecalfeast: He not raging about his role with time and idk if it's alignment indicative for him from my experience with him being town :| Sorry for the long wait for my post I was updating it while checking the thread so I wouldn't be so lost and added in info while making the post! This is a post that LightningStrike made in TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy. Note that he provided a bunch of town reads, and then a bunch of null reads. No scumreads at all. On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? Compare that to LightningStrike's first post in this game. Notice the similarities? He actually doesn't provide a scumread for the entire game. Almost all of his filter is asking questions. The vast majority of his reads are in this one post. On April 20 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly this game si rather inactive and it kinda bad because scum can just hang back and not post :| LightningStrike didn't do anything to change the thread activity, he isn't pressuring anyone. LightningStrike is actually a good lynch here. ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike Read the arguments in this quote, and compare them to what Damdred said about LightningStrike this game. Damdred accuses LightningStrike of not having a strong presence, only one scum reads, no pushes, just existing. In Newbie Student Mafia VIII (quote above), I accused LightningStrike of having no scum reads, and just asking questions, not pressuring anyone, and not doing anything to change the thread activity. These are very similar reads. Here is Damdred's response to my case from Newbie Student Mafia VIII: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 03:59 Damdred wrote:zzzz On February 09 2015 01:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Yes gobbledydook been pretty inconsistent and his posting is weird but it's still early in the day and I never played with him before so I can't use meta on him
I still finding it weird you got a instant town read on me after I posted like twice before you called me town.
Here my pile for each type of read for now:
Town:
Rayn: Brought a early case and been pushing it pretty hard.
Lian: Because he actually trying this game asking some good questions towards oh and he not copying my meta like he did in Void I think it was.
Geript: His first post seem very much like his play in Student V although he seem to wasting some posts on fluff though if he trying to limit his posting.
Keirathi: He been very defensive early due to rayns case and kept on telling ryan he is town it really odd play from him also asking lots of questions and trying to lead discussion with rayn
Damdred: Seems like himself asking questions but he doing a over the top meta read on me is kind of unusual for him to do that on me o.o
Null:
OWS: Lots of 1 liners and lacking much content from him to make a good read on him.
Slam: I finding it hard to read him this game but everyone told me he's hard to read correctly but his vote on Keirathi without much reason is striking me odd.
sicklucker: I can't read him correctly anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was scum on Day 1 I need to see his play in N1 and D2 to see if he's town or scum.
LM: Never posted.
must of been scum here to. wait he was town. Like I said in guardians that's not how you read ls Dismissing this case by saying "that's not how you read LightningStrike" seems to be extremely contradictory to Damdred bringing up the same case in this game. I realize that Damdred focused on the "big list post with no scum reads" part, but the conclusions that I was making from LightningStrike's filter (largely the post... read the filter from that game for yourself and you see that this post was one of the few things of substance in his filter) and the conclusions that Damdred made about LightningStrike this game are very very similar. In this game, Damdred tries to show that LightningStrike is mafia because his only real scum read, on me (Trfel), he backed off of (implying that no scum reads = mafia), which is how he says not to read LightningStrike above. Am I missing something? Damdred, explanation please?
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On December 03 2015 23:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 22:54 Trfel wrote:Rels, I think that Palmar's hard push early on and then having no strong opinions at End of Day is very possible for him as town. His activity/investment level is really strange like that. Here is a link to Palmar's filter from Gaiden 2 (town). He opened the game with a very strong push against (town) justanothertownie, which is similar to his push against The Shining this game. I'm pretty sure that his play died off really heavily after this push, he was nearly lynched Day 2. I think that making a push like Palmar makes isn't necessarily hard as scum, but the way that Palmar does it is much hard to replicate as scum than a normal push. I've never seen Palmar push something aggressively Day 1 like that as mafia, so it's possible that he is mafia, however I feel he's probably town. Also, for the record, I think I've thought of most of the things that Rels said about DoYouHas already and still kind of think that he's town. OK I obsed that game and I remember Palmar going crazy on JAT. I went to EOD on his filter and he's just sheeping. So meta points to town. I don't agree with "the way that Palmar does it is much hard to replicate as scum than a normal push". He just pointed out something illogical and continually attacked Shining on stuff that didn't make sense. On the contrary, I think it's easy to fake. And he did say something weird about fidei during that push: on one hand "free townread in the process", on the other hand "I said fidei's post was fine, not that fidei is town".
Talking about these:
On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process!
On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote:
Literally 4 posts at the time of mine but I'm expected to come up with some magic reads other than talking about what was actually posted? That's just trying to discredit me for BS and I know my alignment so what may look good to you, Palmar, is absolutely trash to me.
And what looks good about the rest of that post? It's a long post and the only thing I got from it is I'm scum, DYH questioning Rels is towny, but Rels is also towny off of some metaread, and everyone else is null. It's an unneccessarily long and hard to read post for minimal reads when his first paragraph asks for no spam, presumably to make the game easier to read. Counter-intuitive. You gonna play hardball? Okay, we can play hardball. I read the first page, and your posts stood out like a sore thumb. It was very, very obvious you had no intention of actually moving discussion along. You posted for the sake of posting. I didn't expect you to come up with reads, I just expected you to say something that wasn't so clearly just to post. If you were actually genuinely interested in the youtube video thing you talked about you'd have said something more about it. I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia.
On December 01 2015 09:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:32 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:23 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:21 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote:
Why is Palmar the worse looking one exactly though? Because there is no explanation for his read whatsoever. Fidei scumleans me so 3 minutes later, Palmar decides I'm 100% scum with no explanation. Well now you have the explanation so I'm 100% town right? No more like 70% and just really bad and cocky. I can understand where your scumread on me comes from, especially since I OMGUSd you but your defense of Fidei to me looks really suspect when you only share one scumlean on D1 and you shouldn't have any idea what his alignment is if you're town. I'm not fucking defending Fidei you moron, I'm just calling his post fine. In a normal game mafia players make hundreds of "fine" posts. No one is dumb enough to give himself away with every post.What I am doing is questioning your logic in suspecting Fidei, and trying to see if you could possibly believe what you're saying. So far I don't really see it. I've read Fidei's post 5 times now and I just don't understand how saying true shit about you makes him mafia. It's such a leap.
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On December 03 2015 23:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 22:59 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:56 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 22:30 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:Good morning I just woke up. On December 03 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:Palmar might be scum: an unsure accusationI don't have a strong scumread on Palmar. There is no slip to be found in his filter. But I know Palmar is a strong scum player, so it's super unlikely to find a slip in there. Here is why I'm suspicious of him: 1. His reads followed the thread sentiment D1D1, Palmar started by tunneling Shining on something true but small. This is NAI. But after that, Palmar's posts about people were boring. Just boring. Examples: On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.
Still bad, still a good default lynch.
I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".
Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.
Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play
OK to lynch the guy with the most votes ATM. All active players are given a pass for today. OK to lynch on of the two uesless. On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible? On December 03 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:
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LS are you mafia? On December 03 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Also, I'm warming up to the idea of lynching Fidei, he kinda deserves it. On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). On December 03 2015 04:13 Palmar wrote:
Also the reason I might lynch you james is because you sound like a fucking machine all the time. On December 03 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Kush didn't do anything, he just said a bunch of words that might as well have been generated in a random read generator. All of this is boring with minimal scumhunt. And this culminates in ... 2. Palmar was apathetic towards the lynch; when he is proud of his D1 capacitiesPalmar is proud of his D1 reads: On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:
Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. But after stopping his Shining push, his reads were boring. At EOD, he was super apathetic and sheeped Trfel into Moosy, then Damdred into LS, then followed the thread sentiment to kush: On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. On December 03 2015 07:51 Palmar wrote:
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I know this??
That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that. On December 03 2015 07:56 Palmar wrote:
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This is possibly an overexplanation He also left the thread 1 hour before deadline to come back 10 minutes for it for no good reason, when it always is the crucial moment to decide a good lynch: On December 03 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to watch tv for half an hour or so.
I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it. ConclusionGood cop check / vig shot. Honestly I think he's playing like he did in metal min or very similar esp the way he was posting towards Shining during early Day 1. Here his fitler from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=Palmar I don't really care about The Shining push, as it's super easy to reproduce that as scum (tunneling someone on something specific). Not that it makes scum either. 1 - Were his reads boring in that game too ? 2 - Was he apathetic and not really caring of the lynches ? 1.a little bit esp his coag read just because he hates coag.(he didn't really give a real read on coag as far I remember from rereading his filter in that game) 2. If he thinks someone is mafia he does try to lynch them but he didn't outside of me until kush made that comment about why he(kush) wanted to lynch me. Have you ever played / obsed scum!Palmar ? What is different from what you just said ? Yes I have two times. first time around he tried hard Day 1 even thoguh it was in the weekend(He doesn't like playing on the weekend as town) and wass somewhat useless that entire esp just calling me a wizard for his read on me(Titanic I had a cunning plan). The 2nd game he was useless and he didn't try to do jack shit the entire game(Assassination). Alright. I obsed a game where he was scum with marv and whoever and he was far from useless. Talking about this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=PalmarSo I don't think this meta read means anything. I usually don't like meta read; applied to a good scum player, they are difficult to make, 'cause of course he is going to play like his town meta. I will check that game out as I didn't obsed it. OK. I got that you're a meta using player, but be careful with good scum players - they will replicate their town meta. If I had to chose, I would prefer having your take on this: Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 12:52 Trfel wrote:Like, here's something that's really been bugging me. On December 03 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
Sure LS usually even if he is wrong is a strongish prescense in the thread giving his opinion and trying to get people to interact with him while he gives scum reads.
He lacks real reads in the thread, the few he has given have been little substance. The one scum read I can tell in his filter was Trfel that he has totally backed off of. He isn't looking to push anyone he is just existing.
This is Damdred's scumread of LightningStrike this game, that started the whole LightningStrike wagon. Now, look at Newbie Student Mafia VIII (for reference, Damdred, LightningStrike, and I (Trfel) were all town. At one point in this game, I scumread LightningStrike for actually having no scumreads. Here's the quote: On April 21 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:LightningStrikeSome people don't learn. I am one of them. On March 19 2015 23:35 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 22:56 Damdred wrote:
Ls what are your current reads Town: Exo: He seemed to be his normal self some questions but I waiting for him to case someone at some point in the game after playing with him in Newbie LX. rsoultin: She seems to happy to roll Mafia this game I would think she would be Mad at rolling Mafia again esp with me in the game but she seems to be having fun with her posts so far (She rolled Mafia in Horns of Africa and Titanic) Also she died way to early in JOAT because of mean HTS wanting to get rid of her so she wouldn't figure HTS out in JOAT She also my whisper so listen to her on me. Holyflare: Some decent questions and plays similar to how he did in Horns when I played with him plus answering a meta point to me about Mafia!Rayn is more useless than Town!Rayn but idk what Rayn post would indicate that he's useless tbh :| Vivax: Vivax is Vivax and that means he just crazy but I think he's trying hard this game and more likely Town than Mafia upon the fact he's trying so hard but he's crazy so meh. Trfel: I finding his entrance odd but who the hell claims Mafia Day 1 except for Damdred in Imperial lol..... He got some decent questions and also can't wait for him to case someone even if he case the hosts (For those who didn't check Mini Mafia Down Under 2 he cased the host and it was funny as hell 10/10 would want him to case a host again). Bill Murray: Asking some decent questions and my first time playing with him and seems to engage with his Mafiaread of Eden and noticing some stuff I don't think others did at the time. Eden1892: Had some trolling stuff early on which I kinda expect from him as Town compared to Mafia with some decent questioning regarding me to rsoultin. Also his filter is much bigger than his filter as Mafia from experience playing with him. Superbia: Much more serious already and already down to business which I think makes him more Town than Mafia knowing in Campus was kinda trolling in Day 1 and was useless in Imperial. Breshke: Short filter but some of his questions ande thoughts to be something I would think he would do as Town more so than Mafia esp his little thing on sicklucker. Null: Damdred: Seems to be a his townie self but I remember he looked so townie yet he was Mafia in Titanic so I need another Day of him being alive to make a good read. Artanis: As I said earlier he looked so Townie in Imperial yet he was Mafia but he also had a bad game as Mafia in Student VI so idk I need some more time to figure him out prob by Day 2 since I know he's a player by reputation being one of the best players in TL Mafia. raynpelikoneet: Seems much angrier than normal idk if it's truely alignment indicative about him but HF says he's useless as Mafia compared to Town but his filter seems Palmar centric with some side tracks O_o Palmar: Trolling a good amount I don't think it's alignment indicative for him since he loves to troll as both alignment from my experience with him cept for Metal Mini when he was super serious. Alakaslam: Slam is Slam and I can't really read him and I know he's the true king of WIFOM as either alignemnt so meh. Onegu: Very short filter and not really doing much but I remember him being kinda meh as town compared to Mafia but I need some more posts from him. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore after Linux when he was Mafia and he always bounces off the walls as either alignment and did make some incorrect statements about self meta but he done that as either alignment. I think he becomes obvious Mafia at Day 2/3 area from my experience with him and seeing him playing as Mafia so I waiting for Day 2 to make my read on him. Fecalfeast: He not raging about his role with time and idk if it's alignment indicative for him from my experience with him being town :| Sorry for the long wait for my post I was updating it while checking the thread so I wouldn't be so lost and added in info while making the post! This is a post that LightningStrike made in TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy. Note that he provided a bunch of town reads, and then a bunch of null reads. No scumreads at all. On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? Compare that to LightningStrike's first post in this game. Notice the similarities? He actually doesn't provide a scumread for the entire game. Almost all of his filter is asking questions. The vast majority of his reads are in this one post. On April 20 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly this game si rather inactive and it kinda bad because scum can just hang back and not post :| LightningStrike didn't do anything to change the thread activity, he isn't pressuring anyone. LightningStrike is actually a good lynch here. ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike Read the arguments in this quote, and compare them to what Damdred said about LightningStrike this game. Damdred accuses LightningStrike of not having a strong presence, only one scum reads, no pushes, just existing. In Newbie Student Mafia VIII (quote above), I accused LightningStrike of having no scum reads, and just asking questions, not pressuring anyone, and not doing anything to change the thread activity. These are very similar reads. Here is Damdred's response to my case from Newbie Student Mafia VIII: On April 21 2015 03:59 Damdred wrote:zzzz On February 09 2015 01:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Yes gobbledydook been pretty inconsistent and his posting is weird but it's still early in the day and I never played with him before so I can't use meta on him
I still finding it weird you got a instant town read on me after I posted like twice before you called me town.
Here my pile for each type of read for now:
Town:
Rayn: Brought a early case and been pushing it pretty hard.
Lian: Because he actually trying this game asking some good questions towards oh and he not copying my meta like he did in Void I think it was.
Geript: His first post seem very much like his play in Student V although he seem to wasting some posts on fluff though if he trying to limit his posting.
Keirathi: He been very defensive early due to rayns case and kept on telling ryan he is town it really odd play from him also asking lots of questions and trying to lead discussion with rayn
Damdred: Seems like himself asking questions but he doing a over the top meta read on me is kind of unusual for him to do that on me o.o
Null:
OWS: Lots of 1 liners and lacking much content from him to make a good read on him.
Slam: I finding it hard to read him this game but everyone told me he's hard to read correctly but his vote on Keirathi without much reason is striking me odd.
sicklucker: I can't read him correctly anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was scum on Day 1 I need to see his play in N1 and D2 to see if he's town or scum.
LM: Never posted.
must of been scum here to. wait he was town. Like I said in guardians that's not how you read ls Dismissing this case by saying "that's not how you read LightningStrike" seems to be extremely contradictory to Damdred bringing up the same case in this game. I realize that Damdred focused on the "big list post with no scum reads" part, but the conclusions that I was making from LightningStrike's filter (largely the post... read the filter from that game for yourself and you see that this post was one of the few things of substance in his filter) and the conclusions that Damdred made about LightningStrike this game are very very similar. In this game, Damdred tries to show that LightningStrike is mafia because his only real scum read, on me (Trfel), he backed off of (implying that no scum reads = mafia), which is how he says not to read LightningStrike above. Am I missing something? Damdred, explanation please?
The Damdred thing was strange but it been so long since me and him had played with each other (esp with my weak days 1 now) so that is possible he forgets stuff. I think when Damdred comes back and answers this he might be able to explain it. ATM on like page 6 of Palmar's filter there but he was a little bit more distanced from marv that game compared to Metal Mini lol....
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Meh, fine.
I'm a bit more suspicious of Palmar than I let on, and that thing about Fidei86 feels off. Palmar, explain?
But Rels...
Before you did anything, Palmar (if town) was always getting shot here. IMO you should have waited until EON to post this, it would have made life much easier if Palmar is town, which he still probably is IMO.
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On December 03 2015 23:19 Trfel wrote:
Meh, fine.
I'm a bit more suspicious of Palmar than I let on, and that thing about Fidei86 feels off. Palmar, explain?
But Rels...
Before you did anything, Palmar (if town) was always getting shot here. IMO you should have waited until EON to post this, it would have made life much easier if Palmar is town, which he still probably is IMO.
LOL Palmar you owe me your life if you're town.
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On December 03 2015 15:45 Trfel wrote:
First, I didn't read all of Half the Sky's filter, but when I was reading through the thread I didn't think that her play around End of Day was anywhere near as bad as DoYouHas describes. Her read progression on LightningStrike there feels really natural and I actually like it a lot. I'd say that 8 minutes until End of Day is the point where I'd really expect her to start looking for another wagon, and although she doesn't do so, 8 minutes isn't a lot of time and she's sick. I'm guessing that a lot of that time was spent reading the thread trying to figure out what's happening, as the post rate was quite high at the time. I have not looked at the general trends in Half the Sky's filter recently, however when I last looked I didn't see too much wrong that couldn't be easily explained by the cold. And like I said, Half the Sky's read progression on LightningStrike felt towny to me.
Can you update your HTS read when you have time to finish her filter ?
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On December 03 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 15:45 Trfel wrote:
First, I didn't read all of Half the Sky's filter, but when I was reading through the thread I didn't think that her play around End of Day was anywhere near as bad as DoYouHas describes. Her read progression on LightningStrike there feels really natural and I actually like it a lot. I'd say that 8 minutes until End of Day is the point where I'd really expect her to start looking for another wagon, and although she doesn't do so, 8 minutes isn't a lot of time and she's sick. I'm guessing that a lot of that time was spent reading the thread trying to figure out what's happening, as the post rate was quite high at the time. I have not looked at the general trends in Half the Sky's filter recently, however when I last looked I didn't see too much wrong that couldn't be easily explained by the cold. And like I said, Half the Sky's read progression on LightningStrike felt towny to me. Can you update your HTS read when you have time to finish her filter ? I don't really care about Half the Sky because I'm pretty confident that she's town? And the cold/sickness/whatever makes it really hard for me to scumread her?
I think it makes more sense that she is town Half the Sky with her play slightly weakened by the cold than she is mafia and has shown the same desire to solve the game and direction that I would expect as town.
I'm pretty upset right now, just missed a meeting that I had to wait 3 weeks for because I'm an idiot. Going to use that to bury NocturneMage.
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hi, everyone.
Doing some chores so semi-around.
Some quick thoughts:
NocturneMage's Entry:
I agree that it feels a bit off that the first post sounds like he is pretty sure HtS is scum and in the last one he talks to her from both perspectives. But I played with both town!NM and scum!NM and his play is like day and night depending on alignment.
You can check out NSM13 and NSM 17 to verify.
So I feel he will be pretty easy to read, when he plays D2.
FecalFeast
At first I was a bit worried because he was super lazy in NSM17 as town (until EoD2), but then he mentioned not being here because Fallout 4, so that code checks out.
DYH
I 100% agree with Rels case.
HtS
From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel.
So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great.
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On December 03 2015 23:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 15:45 Trfel wrote:
First, I didn't read all of Half the Sky's filter, but when I was reading through the thread I didn't think that her play around End of Day was anywhere near as bad as DoYouHas describes. Her read progression on LightningStrike there feels really natural and I actually like it a lot. I'd say that 8 minutes until End of Day is the point where I'd really expect her to start looking for another wagon, and although she doesn't do so, 8 minutes isn't a lot of time and she's sick. I'm guessing that a lot of that time was spent reading the thread trying to figure out what's happening, as the post rate was quite high at the time. I have not looked at the general trends in Half the Sky's filter recently, however when I last looked I didn't see too much wrong that couldn't be easily explained by the cold. And like I said, Half the Sky's read progression on LightningStrike felt towny to me. Can you update your HTS read when you have time to finish her filter ? I don't really care about Half the Sky because I'm pretty confident that she's town? And the cold/sickness/whatever makes it really hard for me to scumread her? I think it makes more sense that she is town Half the Sky with her play slightly weakened by the cold than she is mafia and has shown the same desire to solve the game and direction that I would expect as town. I'm pretty upset right now, just missed a meeting that I had to wait 3 weeks for because I'm an idiot. Going to use that to bury NocturneMage.
I don't understand why you are townreading DYH. I disagree with the one reason you gave (the "I filter dove 4 people and got nothing" post). Since then he has made 3 posts around deadline, in which there is one weird thing (the disfo = town read), one sheep vote and one defense when attacked, all in an attitude of "I don't care about this lynch"; and a push on a townread of yours.
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On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote:
HtS
From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel.
So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great.
That's true. But I felt that her tryhardness + defense of LS at EOD was super townie. It made me think of a comment NM made in the obs QT of resistance: "HTS is obvious town 'cause she's stuck in a airport on a phone, and she's still trying to come up with the best team instead of being super passive." HTS being there at deadline and checking LS' meta despite her being sick made me think of that.
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On December 04 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote:
HtS
From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel.
So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. That's true. But I felt that her tryhardness + defense of LS at EOD was super townie. It made me think of a comment NM made in the obs QT of resistance: "HTS is obvious town 'cause she's stuck in a airport on a phone, and she's still trying to come up with the best team instead of being super passive." HTS being there at deadline and checking LS' meta despite her being sick made me think of that.
Yeah, she was generally posting quite a lot EoD, if I remember correctly. Will probably try and wade through the whole EoD mess later. TBH I totally missed the votes piling up on kush, cause I was checking DYH at that moment. I just vaguely remember someone suggesting a switch to kush with a one liner post. xD
So for HtS I am currently kinda unsure if the lacking areas are scum indicative or because she is sick. So probably going to re-read her as well... and as I mentioned I hope she comes back with some follow ups, since that might be a great help in figuring her alignment out.
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On December 03 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
looool gg i guess? gl Nocturne and YES YOU'RE IN A GAME WITH HTS
Man I dislike Moosy for posting when he has already been replaced, but I have the same FUCKING FEELING.
The same feeling when I learned there was a fucking movie with both De Niro and Al Pacino.
CANT WAIT
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Well, I finally finished the pre-game caveats to my case. Yay. This would have been so much easier if people listened the first time.
I could very well be wrong on DoYouHas, actually he really could be mafia. There isn't too much reason to townread him, however I don't think there is much reason to scumread him, either, and I generally prefer to give people like that more time and lynch people who I have more reason to scumread. For example, Rels brought up DoYouHas' read change on me (Trfel) earlier, saying that DoYouHas said that I was suspicious and a few minutes later said that I was crazy. The obvious flaw in this is that some people say that other people are crazy to mean that they are mafia because they don't make sense, even though lately this has been considered mafia indicative (it can be, but it's a wording thing and is very inconsistent).
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Eight pages of text (including quotes and code blocks) and I'm not really close to done yet. Yay.
I need to go to class now and I will finish later.
NocturneMage, I'm sorry that you had to replace in as mafia, and into a slot that was already confirmed mafia. There's nothing you can do, so you don't need to waste your time trying. I get that you want to play with Half the Sky, and you'll probably have a bit over 48 hours to do so, but my win condition is to lynch mafia and letting you live just because you're playing with Half the Sky can't happen.
One final note, to everyone else, if MoosyDoosy/NocturneMage is actually mafia (as I strongly believe) then Damdred looks really bad, and Palmar looks a bit worse as well, maybe Rels too. I realize that this is unflipped association, but I don't want it to be forgotten. It doesn't matter what they do from here, if they try to cover it up, if they try to bus to gain town credit for their flip.
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Rels, when you said that Student Mafia XV was MoosyDoosy's worst game, did you mean Student Mafia XVI?
MoosyDoosy wasn't lynched in Student Mafia XV, that game ended after the Day 1 lynch on Stoicism_.
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EPT
