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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
It's my mum's birthday party this evening so I won't be on until just before the lynch. I will try to check in when I can (bathroom breaks etc). | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote: I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me. Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. + Show Spoiler + It is MoosyDoosy On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote: It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). Well, at least kush started to do _something_... but yeah... Brb a bit, dinner time | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
There's everything you could ask for except for baby seals. Voting for MoosyDoosy. You should, too. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote: It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). grumpypants like always. On December 03 2015 03:29 Rels wrote: I completely disagree with this. A post like that makes sense for scum!DYH: - there is a chance boxer claiming gives scum a avantage - he's buddying by agreeing with him on a setup consideration which is not very important I am thinking one level deeper than you. Scum is trying to look town. They aren't trying to convince people to do things that give small benefit to the mafia team. The buddying thing is just wrong. I think scum are more likely to discuss game mechanics in a way that sounds smart and reeks of tmi. Scum are usually very protown in the ideas they communicate about mechanics. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote: Kush didn't do anything, he just said a bunch of words that might as well have been generated in a random read generator. yet i have reads unlike you. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Kind of suggests that he is town, since the reads aren't exactly the same in the small points but do match in the big picture. And that he's not editing his posts. But mostly it's just funny. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
How does that come from the same person who is scared of Half the Sky being mafia, I would assume that you want her to be town as well? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Wait, Fidei86, weren't you the person who said you wanted to read Rels as town because you like him as a person? How does that come from the same person who is scared of Half the Sky being mafia, I would assume that you want her to be town as well? Well, I perhaps should have said "I want them to be town" rather than "I want to read them as town". Rels and Dani are two of the best town players I know. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote: I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION.Yo. If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup. Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do. Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched. Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. Got noms. @the Rels part: you know that this is a fear read, right?^^ Meh. I don't like MoosyDoosy either. Nearly forgot about his flurry of one liner posts and then vanishing last night... *sigh* | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote: Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:47 disformation wrote: MoosyDoosy is mafia and you should vote him.Got noms. @the Rels part: you know that this is a fear read, right?^^ Meh. I don't like MoosyDoosy either. Nearly forgot about his flurry of one liner posts and then vanishing last night... *sigh* "Fear read" is a stupid phrase (the only important thing it hints at is adding uncertainty/keeping options open, something like that, but it's much better to just say that and be specific). And this isn't a fear read, anyway. To me, Rels' post doesn't sound like it comes from town, and I described why. I'm not saying that Rels' play is towny, but he's capable of it as mafia so I'm scared of him. I'm saying that I don't think that this post comes from town and it's much easier to come from scum. Not making any conclusions yet but I'd like to see what people think about this post. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. No I did not forget that. I know I cited both games. And kush wasn't mafia in the Student game. No way. I remember the lynch trains bouncing between both of us and both of us were town and I had modconfirmed myself because I posted after the bloody deadline. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote: I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. Also: On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 02 2015 04:03 Half the Sky wrote: I know I haven't. Only experience was Carol, where he did nothing, in my newbie which was over a year ago, he was more active, but in any case, not really a good metric to read him. My take on it, was with a possible vig in the setup, that, why he'd just say something like that. Town generally will spout whatever so I want to think that's what he's doing here, but that one sentence, when someone phrases something like that, it gives me pause. It might seem like "too scummy to be scum" but even when I go back to his explanation that it is an over defence stance, the standard thing to do at least to check Shining against Rels and evaluate whether he lynches Shining over Rels. Even if he's too lazy to follow up on Shining or was just unable, he's clearly throwing his vote away atm seeing as there isn't a train on Rels atm nor is he actually pushing him. Even if he doesn't want to do the latter, the explanation for voting Shining as it stands makes more sense than what I'm seeing for Rels at least based on what he's posted. I mean if he wasn't lazy enough to post those two paragraphs, surely he's not lazy enough to change his vote? At Trfel - I didn't say "student mafia IV" but the vein is the same. And I know LS was also in that game too and he was mafia that game. It was LS and two inactives. I just remember that game partially because it was my first and also, for all the wrong reasons. (I should have been modkilled that game.) | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
second question - I will admit I might be misremembering but again interactions with others as I missed some of the key events early on. Getting through your last response now, and then will weigh in on the others. | ||
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