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On December 03 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:37 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 01:36 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? Hmm maybe but I remember him attacking Geript in Student V for imposing a limit of how many posts he would make per phase and e was scum there so(shrugs). Why do you think that my attack on geript in that game is relevant to my alignment this game? Sorry, I just really don't see the connection. Because it seemed like similar manner on what you did to me this game..... Anyways you got any scum reads so far? Here you go. I don't have time to dive into anything in depth, so I'm talking to the people who are here. LightningStrike, why didn't you respond to this post? I must say that pending an answer to the above question, I kind of think that LightningStrike is town. Can you expand ? It's one of those reads I don't know how to explain. I think I asked LightningStrike two very pointed questions, where there were a lot of answers he could have said that would be "wrong". And he answered both of them correctly. Not only that, but he had a really relaxed tone when doing so. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 20:02 LightningStrike wrote:
He wasn't really afraid to post his thoughts on the stuff when he was around and I know it's limited content but still when he was around he did try to be involved a little bit. I might be a huge sucker for people. Like here, when I asked him about his read on DoYouHas. I guess this doesn't objectively say much, but I like it anyway. The more important thing is that I feel that the way that LightningStrike's suspicion on me changed over the course of the game (mostly the early parts) has been really natural. He seemed genuinely frustrated, and I could see how that frustration led him to push me. The amount that he pushed me felt like more than scum would push, knowing that it's wrong and having no support, and it matched the words he was saying. I'm not extremely confident on LightningStrike being town, and it's hard to explain, but I don't want to lynch him.
Yep got it. I kinda have this "innocent" feeling on his posts too.
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16/26.
The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game.
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On December 03 2015 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. I want to get dyh all liquored up then do unspeakable things to him. I don't see scum being so cavalier with this kind of mechanics thing. Kind of a weird read I know. I think I have time to read one more filter.
I completely disagree with this. A post like that makes sense for scum!DYH:
- there is a chance boxer claiming gives scum a avantage
- he's buddying by agreeing with him on a setup consideration which is not very important
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On December 03 2015 02:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Just skimmed htf. Scumsville. Looks like she is coming up with fake arguments or talking about stuff that's not alignment indicative. Doubt tget people would be willing to lynch tho
I could agree to this. HTS spending her time today posting the setup for her game instead of playing this one is contrary to what I would expect from her.
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On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote:
16/26.
The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game. That's one reason, I suppose, though I hate that reason.
Here's the second reason. Warning in advance, it's horrible and will probably make you want to tear your hair out. Actually, I'll put it in spoiler because it's too painful.
+ Show Spoiler +Onegu really likes playing scum, and will often complain when he rolls town. His only post this game feels very dry and uninspired, which to me suggests that he is town. Also, this is really bad, but were he scum he might want to come back and post more, however he'd probably want to do that as town too, so this second point most likely is useless.
Note that this isn't a townread, this is just an "I don't want to lynch him".
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On December 03 2015 02:46 Trfel wrote:
Rels:
When you provided the list of games that DoYouHas has played... did you read his filter from the games, or look into the games in any way?
Skimmed some before realizing I didn't know what I was looking for. I thought that his last scum game looked good to me, so I wonder how he got lynched; and he had a similar filter size in a scum game and a town game that ended in the same day.
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On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote:Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels?
What do you mean "tunneled on Rels" ?
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@Trfel I've heard that argument before. I've only ever played with town Onegu, and he has basically always been useless up to LYLO. But my view on this is that we're insane to keep him around if he doesn't replace. Town has no chance if we keep players who most nothing of value, because lynching into them late is always a coin flip. Much better to do it now while we have some slack, rather than lynching into anyone who is at least giving the pretence of playing.
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On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think.
I had the opposite feeling. It reminded me of my feeling when playing scum; like I say to myself "OK I need to filter dive X and Y and make some analysis", then it's haaaaaard to do because it's hard to play scum, so sometimes I give up. I can see scum!DYH imagining "ok I need to filter dive those 4 players", reading quickly their filters, and giving up.
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On December 03 2015 03:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote:Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? What do you mean "tunneled on Rels" ?
The post I quoted is heavily focused on you specifically.
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On December 03 2015 03:41 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:33 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote:Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? What do you mean "tunneled on Rels" ? The post I quoted is heavily focused on you specifically.
OK I thought you meant it like "pushing Rels"
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On December 03 2015 03:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. I had the opposite feeling. It reminded me of my feeling when playing scum; like I say to myself "OK I need to filter dive X and Y and make some analysis", then it's haaaaaard to do because it's hard to play scum, so sometimes I give up. I can see scum!DYH imagining "ok I need to filter dive those 4 players", reading quickly their filters, and giving up. I guess I can sort of see your point, however I think it's really easy to take a filter and throw out a random conclusion.
Also, disformation's post is really brilliant. I hadn't thought of this.On December 03 2015 03:23 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:20 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. Hm? I have seen a bunch of scum giving up early D1 to not give information/out of frustration. scott did this one game (I think it was NSM10), Sulfurus did this in NSM13. Breshke just straight up vanished D2 in NSM17. Oh, it happens a ton. I just don't feel that DoYouHas' series of posts is that of scum who is giving up. Do you disagree? Assuming that those posts are not from scum giving up, then that means that if he is scum, something changed in those ~5 hours that led him to give up. I'm going to say there's basically no way that he made that post for a WIFOM play, that's just so unlikely that I refuse to consider it as a possibility. I don't think that DoYouHas is 100% town, but he's probably town, and almost definitely a bad lynch for today. Do you disagree with anything? Am I missing something? Hm. Yes, that last post is a bit strange from the perspective. I guess scum would just not post any more at that point and just GTFO... boy this game is getting hard already and it is only D1. xD If it's like you say, he would have just vanished instead of making that post. Five hours later is a long time, that's not a result of quickly skimming filters.
It's possible that he is mafia here and gave up and then decided to make that post much later. It's just much, much more likely that he's town and really just ended up with no strong [scum] conclusions. Either way, I don't think he's a good lynch.
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Ugh, I need to actually get lunch, but here's my thing on MoosyDoosy really quick.
When he checked his role PM, he said he was town, and he got really frustrated. Then three minutes later, he seemed quite happy. Throughout his filter, he seems really happy and there's no hint of frustration at all. This doesn't match.
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On December 03 2015 03:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:35 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. I had the opposite feeling. It reminded me of my feeling when playing scum; like I say to myself "OK I need to filter dive X and Y and make some analysis", then it's haaaaaard to do because it's hard to play scum, so sometimes I give up. I can see scum!DYH imagining "ok I need to filter dive those 4 players", reading quickly their filters, and giving up. I guess I can sort of see your point, however I think it's really easy to take a filter and throw out a random conclusion. Also, disformation's post is really brilliant. I hadn't thought of this. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:23 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 03:20 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. Hm? I have seen a bunch of scum giving up early D1 to not give information/out of frustration. scott did this one game (I think it was NSM10), Sulfurus did this in NSM13. Breshke just straight up vanished D2 in NSM17. Oh, it happens a ton. I just don't feel that DoYouHas' series of posts is that of scum who is giving up. Do you disagree? Assuming that those posts are not from scum giving up, then that means that if he is scum, something changed in those ~5 hours that led him to give up. I'm going to say there's basically no way that he made that post for a WIFOM play, that's just so unlikely that I refuse to consider it as a possibility. I don't think that DoYouHas is 100% town, but he's probably town, and almost definitely a bad lynch for today. Do you disagree with anything? Am I missing something? Hm. Yes, that last post is a bit strange from the perspective. I guess scum would just not post any more at that point and just GTFO... boy this game is getting hard already and it is only D1. xD If it's like you say, he would have just vanished instead of making that post. Five hours later is a long time, that's not a result of quickly skimming filters. It's possible that he is mafia here and gave up and then decided to make that post much later. It's just much, much more likely that he's town and really just ended up with no strong [scum] conclusions. Either way, I don't think he's a good lynch.
Again, I feel the opposite. Why did he feel compelled to make a post before going to sleep, which had nothing in it ? As scum, to show he's done something, even if he couldn't make fake analysis. As town ... nothing. That's even a little contradictory to what he said in answer to Damdred's post, when he was opposed to everyone giving small reads.
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On December 03 2015 03:50 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I need to actually get lunch, but here's my thing on MoosyDoosy really quick.
When he checked his role PM, he said he was town, and he got really frustrated. Then three minutes later, he seemed quite happy. Throughout his filter, he seems really happy and there's no hint of frustration at all. This doesn't match.
OK this is super good if this is true. I too have to AFK right now; but if you didn't do it when I come back, I will check that.
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Incoming thought-download post coming. This was done entirely on my phone on a train with spotty connectivity, so apologies for lack of polish. I think I caught everyone, but anyone I missed consider null. Lots of bulls / need more information, alas. I'm going to vote Moosy because he has shown no enthusiasm for playing the game. Town cannot win with people who play that alive, almost regardless of his alignment. Also, im not confident enough on my LS scum read to commit to turfing him out yet.
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Town
Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.)
Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null
Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read.
Null
Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today.
Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet.
HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels.
Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and
Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote.
Mafia
LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O
Useless
Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard"
Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post.
DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read.
Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised.
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I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash.
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It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu).
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Also the reason I might lynch you james is because you sound like a fucking machine all the time.
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