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Damdred
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Trfel uses stupid arguments early to try to convinced thread that damdred is scum. (I use stupid here not in offense to trfel) Time passes, damdred town leans him for the stupid argument. Later trfel decides his argument is partially stupid so apologizes for it but states he still doesn't think damdred is totally town. Scum trfel doesn't like giving up things and fights for his stupid arguments. I know this is wifom so I font think its indicative. Its different if only slightly | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_- Here the quote for proof: Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now. Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum. I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum. I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him. DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. @kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar? @Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why? Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas: ![[image loading]](http://soclday.com/p/2015/10/images-of-christmas-xaqo9t5w.jpg) Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. [QUOTE]On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote: It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?[/QUOTE] I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards. Also Hi Damdred how are you?[/QUOTE] So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 02 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote: Rels, general comment on LS, generally speaking (reference Warcraft 3) he has a rough go at playing scum and as town there are some issues with how articulate he is. He also excessively relies on meta. That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Rels, general comment on LS, generally speaking (reference Warcraft 3) he has a rough go at playing scum and as town there are some issues with how articulate he is. He also excessively relies on meta. That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_- Here the quote for proof: Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now. Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum. I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum. I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him. DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. @kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar? @Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why? Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas: Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards. Also Hi Damdred how are you? So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Anyways. Hopefully that's somewhat clear Rels. Also I realise a mistake - that should be Witchcraft 3, not Warcraft 3. I really need to lie down. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
want to get back to Damdred's answer on my stuff yesterday, but will try to keep that short, since it is kinda dated. I also saw Trfel and HtS ask me a question or two, so I will get to that, too. After that I will probably look into the more recent posts by fidei, rels, hts and I think I should check out DYH's filter. If there are more questions or things to discuss, please feel free to ask.  | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Be back later Hi can you comment on anything please? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 02 2015 00:16 Damdred wrote: I don't see a difference. What difference do you see between them (with regards to my alignment)?Of course I see a difference, but what was my play? + Show Spoiler [Explanation] + Two more hypothetical scenarios... Hypothetical scenario A: Trfel knew that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. What makes mafia!Trfel more likely to scumread Bob than town!Trfel? Hypothetical scenario B: Trfel didn't know that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. Why is it any different that Trfel posted suspicions of Bob instead of any of the other players who hadn't posted yet and had no pre-game excuse? Trfel didn't know the difference at the time, he could have posted about any of them. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote: Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote: Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best.I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts. Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 02 2015 01:17 Trfel wrote: I don't see a difference. What difference do you see between them (with regards to my alignment)? + Show Spoiler [Explanation] + Two more hypothetical scenarios... Hypothetical scenario A: Trfel knew that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. What makes mafia!Trfel more likely to scumread Bob than town!Trfel? Hypothetical scenario B: Trfel didn't know that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. Why is it any different that Trfel posted suspicions of Bob instead of any of the other players who hadn't posted yet and had no pre-game excuse? Trfel didn't know the difference at the time, he could have posted about any of them. This makes a lot of sense. Damdred's reason to initially attack Trfel is not logical. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote: Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts. Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote: I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote: You know, I take back my suspicion. Under normal circumstances it would be valid, but given the circumstances I'm kind of in the same place. The big thing is the lack of follow through, then, and that's very subjective; I'll look again later.Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless. By saying that Half the Sky's post on LightningStrike makes sense, are you saying that you think that LightningStrike is scum, or Half the Sky is town, or both? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote: His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? Hmm maybe but I remember him attacking Geript in Student V for imposing a limit of how many posts he would make per phase and e was scum there so(shrugs). | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 02 2015 00:25 Damdred wrote: Let me explain in some semblance of an answer. Trfel uses stupid arguments early to try to convinced thread that damdred is scum. (I use stupid here not in offense to trfel) Time passes, damdred town leans him for the stupid argument. Later trfel decides his argument is partially stupid so apologizes for it but states he still doesn't think damdred is totally town. Scum trfel doesn't like giving up things and fights for his stupid arguments. I know this is wifom so I font think its indicative. Its different if only slightly That's true he apologized. But he's still attacking you for the same idea; that you attacked him because LS posted something pregame. If you thought it was stupid then, you should think it's still stupid now. How is Trfel not "fighting for his stupid argument" if he's still attacking you with the same one ? | ||
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I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...
