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On December 01 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure that shinny is town and a horrible lynch tbh.
Onto that trfel post I don't mind it so much, its a bit odd in one respect that if trfel was scum he would want stupid arguments in thread and me tilting not being calm. That's total wifom and not worth talking about.
overall I think its not quite indicative either way but its a good sentiment
I think this post makes Shining town unless Shining and Damdred are scum together. Here is why:
1 - Damdred has a godlike read on Shining. This "I'm pretty sure that shinny is town and a horrible lynch tbh." made me think of Damdred post on Shining last game (both were town):
On November 21 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote:
Shining is 100% town and anyone who wants to lynch him tommorow will literally have to scream over me while I spam the thread to hell.
No way this is scum shining
2 - So if Damdred is town, it is super likely Shining is town.
3 - If Damdred is scum, then it doesn't mean anything. It either means Damdred is using his "godlike read" to protect a town Shining, or is protecting a scum buddy.
TLDR: If Damdred is town, Shining is super likely town.
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@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ?
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Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched.
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On December 01 2015 19:07 Rels wrote:
@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ?
This was actually a mistake on my part. I found myself totally agreeing with your view on the blue claim, but then someone pointed out that the mafia would know the setup anyway. That is usually how it is. But then I read the OP a couple of times and I couldn't see anywhere that the mafia would know. So perhaps it wasn't wrongheaded. Had you read the OP when you made that post?
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On December 01 2015 19:13 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:07 Rels wrote:
@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ? This was actually a mistake on my part. I found myself totally agreeing with your view on the blue claim, but then someone pointed out that the mafia would know the setup anyway. That is usually how it is. But then I read the OP a couple of times and I couldn't see anywhere that the mafia would know. So perhaps it wasn't wrongheaded. Had you read the OP when you made that post?
Yes. I don't like that useless question that follows the explanation of what I should say to be townie.
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On December 01 2015 18:48 Trfel wrote:
Fidei86, did you see the WIFOM that MoosyDoosy was using before the game?
Given how aware he is of his own meta, and the events of last game (a lengthy discussion about whether MoosyDoosy would intentionally be useless as mafia to trick everyone using his meta), are you still happy with this read?
And if this is a read that you are happy with it now, imagine that this continues for another day or two. Why would you then need to lynch MoosyDoosy? Why would this make your townread invalid?
Anyway, I really need to go to bed. Good night.
Everything you're saying is true. Moosy being useless isn't alignment indicative. I see no reason to try and get a read from the big pile of crap he has posted so far. It could easily come from either alignment. My view at the moment is to see how it plays out over the rest of the day.
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On December 01 2015 19:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:13 Fidei86 wrote:On December 01 2015 19:07 Rels wrote:
@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ? This was actually a mistake on my part. I found myself totally agreeing with your view on the blue claim, but then someone pointed out that the mafia would know the setup anyway. That is usually how it is. But then I read the OP a couple of times and I couldn't see anywhere that the mafia would know. So perhaps it wasn't wrongheaded. Had you read the OP when you made that post? Yes. I don't like that useless question that follows the explanation of what I should say to be townie.
It's not useless. If you were Mafia and you hadn't received a post, you'd know it wasn't there. The rest of us assumed that it was there, because it usually is.
Then again you'd be unlikely to fall into that trap, so maybe it was useless. Oh well.
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fidei you're saying HTS is not really pushing the people she thinks are scummy right ?
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Um, not quite. It's more of a total gut read from me, that she's not being candid with her thoughts. You and she both know that she's my favourite person on this site by miles, so I'm not going to just blindly tunnel her. I just wondered if anyone else agrees with my thinking.
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I'm not up to date and I'll be stuck in a conference thing through today.
I did read one post by doyouhas and it was completely awful. Possibly lynch worthy.
I'll probably not read or talk much until tonight. I'm less inclined to lynch shining than I was yesterday
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On December 01 2015 19:33 Palmar wrote:
I'm not up to date and I'll be stuck in a conference thing through today.
I did read one post by doyouhas and it was completely awful. Possibly lynch worthy.
I'll probably not read or talk much until tonight. I'm less inclined to lynch shining than I was yesterday
Are you good at reading Damdred ? Do you have a Damdred read ?
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On December 01 2015 19:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Um, not quite. It's more of a total gut read from me, that she's not being candid with her thoughts. You and she both know that she's my favourite person on this site by miles, so I'm not going to just blindly tunnel her. I just wondered if anyone else agrees with my thinking.
I reread her posts. Can you give me some examples ?
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On December 01 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Um, not quite. It's more of a total gut read from me, that she's not being candid with her thoughts. You and she both know that she's my favourite person on this site by miles, so I'm not going to just blindly tunnel her. I just wondered if anyone else agrees with my thinking. I reread her posts. Can you give me some examples ?
I'll re-read them at lunch. Promise.
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Unofficial vote count since BH hasn't made me an official cohost:
The Shining (1): Palmar
Rels (1): Kushm4sta
Not voted (11): DoYouHas, Rels, Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, The Shining, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, Onegu, Damdred,
At the moment, The Shining is up for lynch.
Only votes in the voting thread count. You can find the voting thread here.
Deadline is in .
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Hi I just woke up and I am feeling tired still because I obviously only got like 7 hours of sleep so if I sound tired based on my posts that's why but some people had some comments/questions towards me:
On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town? Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane. Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted. Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game. What difference do you see between these two scenarios?
Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though. I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia  I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations... Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with.
He wasn't really afraid to post his thoughts on the stuff when he was around and I know it's limited content but still when he was around he did try to be involved a little bit. I might be a huge sucker for people.
On December 01 2015 18:42 Fidei86 wrote:
Morning folks.
So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet.
Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me.
Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now.
My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though.
Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read.
I had posted paragraphs as town before when I wasn't there at the start of the day for a entry post(see slytherin) but about attacking Trfel: it seemed like he wants to try and find a reason to scum read me even though I had said in the pregame that I wouldn't be around till like 4 hours after start of the game. Just a little bit frustrated from that and I glad Damdred called him out on it too.
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On December 01 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:33 Palmar wrote:
I'm not up to date and I'll be stuck in a conference thing through today.
I did read one post by doyouhas and it was completely awful. Possibly lynch worthy.
I'll probably not read or talk much until tonight. I'm less inclined to lynch shining than I was yesterday Are you good at reading Damdred ? Do you have a Damdred read ?
Not really (to both)
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Heads up, work has been borderline insane today and I'm not feeling well on top of that. I should recover by this evening to catch up.
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On December 01 2015 21:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Heads up, work has been borderline insane today and I'm not feeling well on top of that. I should recover by this evening to catch up.
<3 feel better soon
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@Rels
I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there.
At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it.
She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining.
I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance.
None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me.
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*That seems lacking too me here.
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