EPTOn December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
I think that post was towards me not you lol.....
I think that post was towards me not you lol.....
Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
There are quite a few people who are giving me town feels currently. However I'll hold on to morning. night | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On December 01 2015 13:01 Damdred wrote: Hi ls There are quite a few people who are giving me town feels currently. However I'll hold on to morning. night i like this post because i feel the same way tbh | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 01 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote: Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point Well ops I thought it was towards me because I had asked you a question like a few posts before lol. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 01 2015 08:49 disformation wrote: Wait a second, disformation...Tired as hell.  When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote: Yeah I should know better than to speak actual good advice into the game I suppose. Boxers are innocent children, they shorten the lynch pool, they help the vig and the cop know who not to shoot into. There is no down side for them to claim unless the mafia members are blue hunting n1 which is stupid anyway. And suspecting me for saying what is good advice is stupid. Is it stupid or scummy ? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 08:47 DoYouHas wrote: You don't make sense. Mafia get to know the setup info right? That's how I remember this kind of game working. Even if they don't, you are so afraid of gaming the rb that you would throw away a confirmed townie and better lynch choices? I don't understand why you would affirm something like that without checking it first. This looks like you are dumbtelling. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 09:01 Fidei86 wrote: Evening all. Usual plea for everyone to avoid spam if possible - if few meaningful posts was good enough for Foolishness in that game he played in the guide, it's good enough for us. Also I know at least me and Dani work quite intense jobs, so it's very hard to keep up if there's 10 new pages every time I come back. So that people know, the people in the game I know best are Half the Sky and Rels. I've been town with both, supervised both when I GMed and was Mafia with Rels once. I also have played with a lot of the rest of you before, including Moosy, Lightning Strike, Onegu and Damdred. I don't know DYH, trfel, dis, Kush or Palmar very well. Early on, I'd say the easiest scum read is Shining. He posted asking why he was here, then about trumpets, then he went quiet. It's early, so it's lean. DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues. Everyone else is null. I'm on GMT so it's way past my bed-time. Night all. Mm. I don't like this town read on me this early. I don't think my first post warrants this "oh Rels is not playing his scum meta". Why is my entrance wrongheaded ? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 18:00 Trfel wrote: Hey Rels, let me know if you want to discuss anything when you're caught up. I really should go to bed but I'm stupid so whatever ^^ Have you ever apologized as mafia before ? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I mean, why are you asking, anyway? I'm the most obvious town in the game by a landslide, with my amazing play and crazy read abilities! | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 18:07 Trfel wrote: I don't know? Self-meta is really stupid, especially because it means I'm aware of it. And what I'm aware of, I can try to mess with... I mean, why are you asking, anyway? I'm the most obvious town in the game by a landslide, with my amazing play and crazy read abilities! Self meta means nothing here since you've already apologized in the thread. If you lie on your self meta you're probably going to get caught. Too bad then, I'll have to read your filter from last game. This apology took me by surprise: On December 01 2015 10:07 Trfel wrote: Life is so frustrating  My communication skills appear to be miserable. I'll try to reread the thread later tonight. Damdred, apologies for using that type of read. Regardless of whether or not I am right, that creates stupid arguments and makes the game miserable. Thanks for being a bit more sensible than I am (regardless of alignment). I found your play before that post aggressive like in the last game you've played, so I was suspicious of you; that "I'm sorry" post made me re evaluate. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote: Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town?DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...): I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane. Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted. Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game. What difference do you see between these two scenarios? Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though. I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish? Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb. What do you think of this then ? On December 01 2015 10:07 Trfel wrote: Life is so frustrating My communication skills appear to be miserable. I'll try to reread the thread later tonight. Damdred, apologies for using that type of read. Regardless of whether or not I am right, that creates stupid arguments and makes the game miserable. Thanks for being a bit more sensible than I am (regardless of alignment). | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote: I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet. Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me. Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now. My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though. Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote: What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss?1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Given how aware he is of his own meta, and the events of last game (a lengthy discussion about whether MoosyDoosy would intentionally be useless as mafia to trick everyone using his meta), are you still happy with this read? And if this is a read that you are happy with it now, imagine that this continues for another day or two. Why would you then need to lynch MoosyDoosy? Why would this make your townread invalid? Anyway, I really need to go to bed. Good night. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote: What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." | ||
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