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On December 01 2015 10:08 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Basically, Damdred initially was suspicious of me (Trfel) for not reading the thread and trying to find someone to be suspicious of. And in his initial post with these suspicious, he specifically stated that these suspicions of me are only valid because of LightningStrike's pre-game excuse.
LightningStrike's pre-game excuse has no implication on my alignment whatsoever. Damdred is basically saying that because my suspicion of LightningStrike was invalid, I was suspicious. However, why would I as mafia make a post about a player's inactivity when that player said, before the game, that they wouldn't be around at the start of the game? There is zero reason for mafia to do this.
The only thing that LightningStrike's pre-game excuse says about my play is that my reason to be suspicious of LightningStrike was invalid. First, it was invalid without the pre-game excuse as well. And second, my argument being invalid doesn't have any relevance on my alignment. As does reading posts in the thread that were made before the game started.
Damdred failed to address the main question that I asked, which was why LightningStrike's pre-game excuse affects my alignment. His suspicion of me made zero sense, and Damdred is a very sensible player as town.
Combine this with his entrance post, completely ignoring everyone else in the thread and saying that his play would follow his (rough) scum meta of fewer posts more focused on analysis. Backtracking to this post. No issues with the first part, but I'm not sure why he thinks it's unreasonable as town when you are clearly focused on one person that much that of course you will miss the flying conversation in the thread. Especially more suspicious to me if this isn't his scum meta, and honestly given my poor track record of sniping mafia Damdred, I'm not sure what/how to really measure this. It looks like a reach for me. Not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but the final two lines of the post you quoted were purely aimed at Damdred's first post of the game, and not the rest of his play. I may be misreading/misunderstanding, sorry if you realized that already.
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On December 01 2015 10:03 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia.
And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:
Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you? Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow.
You only tacked those onto it later. You said it best yourself, here's your reason for scumreading Fidei:
On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly.
This is the reason you initially gave for scumreading Fidei. I have ever since questioned the legitimacy of this logic, and you seem to even agree with by now:
On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance.
So let's get the timeline clear:
1) Fidei posts you may be scum
2) I post you're 100% scum
3) you jokingly say we're scum together
4) you explain your scumreads on us, using stuff that by fidei that you now agree was true (still joking???)
Like my logic tells me that between "jokingly" calling us scum and then actually fucking explaining your scumread, you would have read Fidei's post, that you wanted to call him scum for, yet all you came up with was the very thing I've been questioning.
Your version of the events makes no sense at all.
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On December 01 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:03 Palmar wrote:fuck - Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
- Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
- When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
- Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
- Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it?
No, you're bad.
I skimmed it, it reeked of badness.
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see I'm ok with ad-homing damdy because he knows he deserves it (and he likes it too...)
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On December 01 2015 10:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 10:03 Palmar wrote:fuck - Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
- Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
- When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
- Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
- Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it? No, you're bad. I skimmed it, it reeked of badness.
And if i'm right? what will you say then?
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On December 01 2015 10:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:08 Half the Sky wrote:On December 01 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Basically, Damdred initially was suspicious of me (Trfel) for not reading the thread and trying to find someone to be suspicious of. And in his initial post with these suspicious, he specifically stated that these suspicions of me are only valid because of LightningStrike's pre-game excuse.
LightningStrike's pre-game excuse has no implication on my alignment whatsoever. Damdred is basically saying that because my suspicion of LightningStrike was invalid, I was suspicious. However, why would I as mafia make a post about a player's inactivity when that player said, before the game, that they wouldn't be around at the start of the game? There is zero reason for mafia to do this.
The only thing that LightningStrike's pre-game excuse says about my play is that my reason to be suspicious of LightningStrike was invalid. First, it was invalid without the pre-game excuse as well. And second, my argument being invalid doesn't have any relevance on my alignment. As does reading posts in the thread that were made before the game started.
Damdred failed to address the main question that I asked, which was why LightningStrike's pre-game excuse affects my alignment. His suspicion of me made zero sense, and Damdred is a very sensible player as town.
Combine this with his entrance post, completely ignoring everyone else in the thread and saying that his play would follow his (rough) scum meta of fewer posts more focused on analysis. Backtracking to this post. No issues with the first part, but I'm not sure why he thinks it's unreasonable as town when you are clearly focused on one person that much that of course you will miss the flying conversation in the thread. Especially more suspicious to me if this isn't his scum meta, and honestly given my poor track record of sniping mafia Damdred, I'm not sure what/how to really measure this. It looks like a reach for me. Not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but the final two lines of the post you quoted were purely aimed at Damdred's first post of the game, and not the rest of his play. I may be misreading/misunderstanding, sorry if you realized that already.
Gotcha. I had to read that a second and third time to see you meant the bolded as his first post.
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Like I can understand why you tonally don't want to lynch him, but clearly the guy doesn't know me very well (although we have played together). I don't think "scum doesn't attack palmar" is a valid defense here.
I gotta sleep, talk to you tomorrow guys. I'll try to make my case more coherent unless I decide to re-think it.
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On December 01 2015 10:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:12 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 10:03 Palmar wrote:fuck - Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
- Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
- When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
- Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
- Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it? No, you're bad. I skimmed it, it reeked of badness. And if i'm right? what will you say then?
TMI, mafia.
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On December 01 2015 10:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:13 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 10:12 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 10:03 Palmar wrote:fuck - Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
- Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
- When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
- Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
- Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it? No, you're bad. I skimmed it, it reeked of badness. And if i'm right? what will you say then? TMI, mafia.
lol this is why I love palmar
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After 1am, need to pull together a few things and head to bed. Will catch up tomorrow.
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On December 01 2015 10:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:03 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia.
And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:
Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you? Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow. You only tacked those onto it later. You said it best yourself, here's your reason for scumreading Fidei: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly.
This is the reason you initially gave for scumreading Fidei. I have ever since questioned the legitimacy of this logic, and you seem to even agree with by now: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance.
So let's get the timeline clear: 1) Fidei posts you may be scum 2) I post you're 100% scum 3) you jokingly say we're scum together 4) you explain your scumreads on us, using stuff that by fidei that you now agree was true (still joking???) Like my logic tells me that between "jokingly" calling us scum and then actually fucking explaining your scumread, you would have read Fidei's post, that you wanted to call him scum for, yet all you came up with was the very thing I've been questioning. Your version of the events makes no sense at all.
1) Right
2) Right
3) TOGETHER. And at that moment, because you didn't explain shyt, I figured the likely scum out of you 2 was you. Then you explained, which led me back to re-reading Fidei's post to see if I was wrong on him as well and I felt I wasn't and I posted this an hour ago:
On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it.Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though.
I must be a glutton for punishment. Because instead of ignoring you like I should, I keep going right back at it. I just can't understand if you're town how you don't see what I'm so clearly explaining. Like fucking seriously. Seriously??
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Oh and inb4 you try to scum me for some bullshyt like I left but continued to refresh the thread. I just came back up from walking my dog and checked the thread one last time before hitting the gym. Bye.
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On December 01 2015 10:23 The Shining wrote:
Oh and inb4 you try to scum me for some bullshyt like I left but continued to refresh the thread. I just came back up from walking my dog and checked the thread one last time before hitting the gym. Bye.
I Only call people scum for things that actually make them scum. Not being able to step away from he thread is absolutely not scummy
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It's happened to me before. +1 for phone posting.
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On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred?
In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night.
On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly.
Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above.
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Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol.
Instead he doth protest too much,
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Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_-
Here the quote for proof:
On December 01 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
oh another pre game excuse: I wont be here until like 4 hours after game start due to college class into going out to eat with my parents :o
Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now.
Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum.
I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum.
I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him.
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game.
@kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar?
@Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why?
Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas:
![[image loading]](http://soclday.com/p/2015/10/images-of-christmas-xaqo9t5w.jpg)
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Anyways Boxer don't claim unless you getting lynched please it's a dumb idea to claim blue unless you getting lynched.
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I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!”
 My name must spread far and wide.
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On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol.
Instead he doth protest too much,
Expecting someone to play like you is a horrible way to read someone
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